Lack of interest in SS/NLP on this board?

[##17]

Wow! I was amazed at how anti SS this board is.

I love SS.
I find it is fcuken awesome, and it is extremely effective.

I use it in situations where
a) I want to fclose and the HB isn't in state yet (ie LMR etc)
b) converting friends to fcukbuddies
c) creating a 'special bond' with someone quickly (ie comfort and trust),
d) preparing straight girls for bisexual experiences ,and
e) to hypnotically fcuk with people who annoy me.

I also use it a little bit for frame control and state management.

This focus of "Just be a normal guy and relate to chicks like a normal guy" is fine , if youre on this site cos youre a skinny dweeb who can't get laid like a normal guy.
But if you want to get laid like a fcuken rock star then you need to start using some **** that's a level up from just taking coworkers out to dinner and a movie and then plying them with cheap Chardonnay.

I would be keen to start a discussion group centring around the intelligent use of SS techniques , and am happy to share what has been working for me.

Good for you. You probably know a lot about SS that I personally do not. I'd be interested in learning more. Seriously.

I totally agree that `dating' in the traditional sense has nothing to do with attraction. My girlfriend and I never `dated' until we started sleeping together.


But I'm still going to guess that SS is probably only part of your game. Maybe a big part but still only a part. For example, how do you get yourself in the position to be fclosing a girl, or going up and engaging her in the first place? You know that a lot of guys don't even know how to do that, especially when that girl is the object of their One-Itis.

Here is my big reservation. It just seems so unnatural and rather complicated. Read a manual on it, it is full of a lot of esoteric jargon. So many things to keep track of. Are you SURE this is the most direct way to get laid?

EDIT I: I will admit this. In its most basic form, it does make a lot of sense. This explains the connections that I was able to make using it. A great way to establish rapport with someone you're already in a conversation with (and to come across as extremely emotionally literate) is to vividly describe universal human experiences, especially if these involve excitement, adventure, passion. But still, talk will only get you so far. At some point you actually need to deliver.

 

[Downlow]

I've also just noticed SS is not too popular here. i originally found out about SS in 1996 when I was trying to find out where to get porn on the internet, lol. I couldn't afford to buy RJ's courses at the time, but I was a subscriber to his newsletter.

I only tried running patterns on two girls, and i laid both of them. Thinking about it now, it may not have been due to SS, since they were on my bed already (I had a student bedsit at the time). I forgot about SS after that when i got into a LTR, but I suddenly remembered it a few weeks back. I googled his website and thats how I found this board and info on style, mystery etc!

As people have said, you must need pretty good game to pull it off in the first place, because the patterns do sound kinda creepy if you read them.

 

[Freddy1]

So I'm just wondering why so little interest in SS/NLP on this board?

I was into SS for about 4 years. Alot of it is waaaay too dificult to learn. In particular memorizing patterns. Too much time and energy. Way to complicated.
(not to mention RJ's materials is way over priced. save your money)


Many of the "walk ups" are questionible.
I have seen the footage of RJ using his material in a control seting with a volunteer but I have NEVER seen one footage of any of these SS guys doing a street walk up demo on an unexpecting woman. NEVER

Not saying that SS hasnt work for me.
The NLP stuff is not for everyone. You have to like this type of intellectualizing stuff and alot of memory work. Most NLP guys are audio or kinesthic oriented guys. If you tend to be a virtual/seeing type of guy its more of a challenge to learn.
(I would add that NLP was never intended for seduction and wasnt design for that purpose. In my personal opinion NLP is better suited in inner change work.)

I switch over to deAngelo. You can start getting chicks in a much much much shorter time.
As someone has mentioned earlier it just feels ALOT more NATURAL than the SS/NLP stuff.

 

[Derek Flint]

The reasons can be very complex, but I think I can get it pretty easy for you.

When you have to use techniques, tricks, routines, etc, to get women, and thats the ONLY thing you do, then sure,m you may get laid every so often, hell you may get laid alot, but this doesn't fix the fundemental problem you started with. You are still an AFC, just with more skills, except now instead of manipulating with niceness and kindness, you manipulate through other ways. Am I saying use no techniques? No. I personally like using the cube, but since I've became more DJ, my use for the cube has changed from, "OMG OMG build attraction" to more like, "I like playing the cube". Again, I used to reserve it for just women I wanted to bang, but I find that alot of times even though most of it is BS, you can get people to talk about themselves, but you need to be genuinly interested. It's a dirtbag thing to do if you just wanna find out about a person to **** em.

Now as a DJ, its not just about women. PUAs seem to imply that life is about women. No, as a DJ, you get your LIFE handled. Business, pleasure, women, etc, they all fall into place. Its about being the best man possible, always wanting to improve, being confident, relax and about enjoying every moment of life, for a don juan knows that he is fortunate simply to be alive. Some DJs like to use techniques, but they realize its not necessary, as a true MAN, when you can communicate to a woman your sexuality in an eloquent way that masturbates her mind, that moves her emotions to the point that she WANTS to be with you, and the REAL you, not some fake, flashy technique giver, they realize that they can satisfy themselves, and can satisfy a woman. They realize its not just about women, but women are still a big part of life, just not what there universe centers around. They love to meet new people, have new experiences, and overall jus enjoy a high quality of life.

By the time you read the end of the game, I want you to look back at how much ****ed up **** happens to most of those guys, and how none of them (or most), really find happiness, despite how much they get laid, or what techniques they learn. I finished it, was really happy, but now that I reflect, I feel bad for alot of those guys, no matter how much they learn, they still are missing and feeling a hole wthat they have wante to fill since their AFC days. This my friend, is the result of focusing on just techniques and moves, and not on the system.

Good luck man, and enjoy life, for pleasure is what we live for.

Thanks for saying what I've been trying to say for a while now.

"An AFC with more skills" nails it, and too many guys here are looking for a quick fix instead of working on themselves, and changing themselves into becoming the type of Man that women want.

They try different techniques, seminars, products etc... and yet never really progress, because they are only addressing the symptoms instead of the cause of the symptoms.

 

[Freddy1]

You are so right Derek.

SS/NLP has become nothing but a nerdy geeks prop in getting women. It doesnt make you grow as a man and as a human being.

 

[john_1234]

I've been learning more and more about nlp, not for seduction purposes, but for personal self-improvement. Then I came across some stuff that Ross Jeffries teaches. Now, if I wasn't familiar w/ NLP, I would have thought his techniques were hokey pokey, too far out. But because I have some understanding of what NLP is about, I can totally see where Jeffries was going with what he teaches. I felt the same way the original poster felt about why there's a lack of NLP/SS discussion on Sosuave. This NLP/SS seems like some really powerful stuff that will work if done correctly.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I've been learning more and more about nlp, not for seduction purposes, but for personal self-improvement. Then I came across some stuff that Ross Jeffries teaches. Now, if I wasn't familiar w/ NLP, I would have thought his techniques were hokey pokey, too far out. But because I have some understanding of what NLP is about, I can totally see where Jeffries was going with what he teaches. I felt the same way the original poster felt about why there's a lack of NLP/SS discussion on Sosuave. This NLP/SS seems like some really powerful stuff that will work if done correctly.

NLP is a very powerful medium if done properly with a realistic objective. Ross seems to understand it's premise and had stripped it down and streamlined it for pickups. Like it was said earlier, it's not really geared for LTRs unless you have a full understanding of NLP.

Search the forum, there's a few of us who use NLP effectively for personal self improvement. NLP has been used successfully in therapy sessions and is embraced by many in the psychological industry, there's even certification training available. Oh, and who can forget that Anthony Robbins success is completely based on the theory of NLP.

 

[Ricky]

I've also just noticed SS is not too popular here. i originally found out about SS in 1996 when I was trying to find out where to get porn on the internet, lol. I couldn't afford to buy RJ's courses at the time, but I was a subscriber to his newsletter.

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That is hilarious. I found out about Ross in 1996 as well from a porn site (Persian Kitty).

Anyways here is my take on it. SS does work, but it is a technique best combined with others.

****y and Funny does work, but it is a technique that is more powerful with others.

In effect, this is what Style did. He merged techniques as well as Mystery did.

They start off with a bit of ****y and Funny (the neg), they DHV them (showing off or bragging a bit but we know that doesn't work by itself but it's still amazing how many guys try to get girls by braggging), after that they go into comfort (rapport by basic NLP or sales techniques and giving an IOI back to the girl, showing attainability by Woodhavens system this gives comfort and just general fluff talk). Then the final stage is seduction (which can be aided by pure physical sensuality ala Gunwitch, or the more smooth verbal talk from SS).

Damn I have to copy that down, it breaks it down pretty well.

I think one of the problems with SS is, you might get a girl horny with some of the patterns, and if you are sitting in public it's hard to take advantage of it, that's why Mystery says to do Seduction in a Seduction location.