Korean girl - help!

nova_x

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background:

- i'm chinese born canadian
- meet a korean girl thru friends... she's DEFINATELY interested (high IL for sure)
- in 2 weeks: call her 4 times (4-5 day gap in between each call), meet up with her 2 times
- observe her IL dropping
- latest: "lets meet up for dinner on wednesday" turns into "lets meet up for dinner on wednesday with my roommate"

options:
1) next her: cause i prolly f*cked up and have no more chance w/ her
2) slow down/back off w/ persistance: since she was interested

what to do?

ps. jake since you seem to be the asian specialist ... help would be appreciated


[This message has been edited by nova_x (edited 12-09-2002).]
 

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here is a bitter/sweet advice nova.

try and hook up with her for dinner one last time (it will be dutch of course
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if she turns up(alone)..do a CPR on the IL.
else
NEXT the *****.asian woman need stubborn persistence of a bull and dude,if you are in Canada,you don't need that ****.

cheers amigo.
 

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Nova,

You bastard! All the Korean girls are MINE!


Good for you man. But I see some classical red flag signs. I know that we've established that Asian women tend to be slightly different from white women, but still, they are HUMAN. We can't discard the fact that they will respond to attraction and seduction tactics in a similar way. We just have to add a cultural twist on it, as Asian men.

I've deteremined that Asian dating culture is slightly on the AFC side. Its more traditional, and gender roles are more firmly entrenched. And overall, I don't see Asian women fighting to get out of those gender roles. Asian woman it seems like are more comfortable being in the subordinate role when it come to romance (But oh shiet, watch out when it come to professional or social situations -- they will get NASTY if you disrespect them... esp. the AAs.
).

Therefore, I think its okay to be a bit more forceful and sexist (w/o overtly and verbally expressing such sentiments... that will only get you into trouble). Who gives a **** what that Korean girl thinks. Kiss her, drag her around. Asian girl are notorious for testing their men.

In fact, I think they are about 10 times as coy and manipulative as white women are. You've really got to gauge them carefully.

Nova, I think your girl either has only mild attraction to you, isn't sure, or is just draggin you along by your ****. Don't take this shiet test from her. Show her that you're a man. Just grab your balls and DO IT. Many Asian men are shy and passive, so more likely than not she will be TURNED ON by your aggressiveness. I've found that the masculine approach works best in these situations. Make a physical move, to hell with the consequences. I was once out with a Korean girl that was coy and evasive all night, and I got annoyed so I just grabbed her arms and french kissed her. I held her tight, so she couldn't budge. She seemed shocked at first, but in a moment she fukking melted. I was all over that shiet like white on rice that night... heheh..
But one thing though. Don't be aggressive out of the blue. You've got to build up to it. If she's being cold ALL night, then you know she's not interested. Just leave her there. Don't be a moron and try to kiss her then; use some tact.


And finally a word of caution for the non-Asians that are reading this....

This approach will probably blow up in the face of black or white men when they do it, because Asians, like blacks, are usually on their toes around most white people because of discrimination toward them. I mean, sure you can do business with them, have beers with them, etc., but if you're not in a trusted circle of friends, making a move on an asian woman is usually considered highly offensive, especially for the women. It's just the way it is -- Asian culture is just a very guarded one. For a white or black man to take a more forceful approach to Asian women would probably scare them away, as it just reinforces the stereotype of the white/black rapist/molestor/Asian fetishist. It's an unfair stereotype for those of you that are good guys, but it's there. Deal with it the best you can... after all, us Asian men have our own set of dumb stereotypes to deal with.


Oh yeah... good luck, Nova.

-Jake


Originally posted by nova_x:
background:

- i'm chinese born canadian
- meet a korean girl thru friends... she's DEFINATELY interested (high IL for sure)
- in 2 weeks: call her 4 times (4-5 day gap in between each call), meet up with her 2 times
- observe her IL dropping
- latest: "lets meet up for dinner on wednesday" turns into "lets meet up for dinner on wednesday with my roommate"

options:
1) next her: cause i prolly f*cked up and have no more chance w/ her
2) slow down/back off w/ persistance: since she was interested

what to do?

ps. jake since you seem to be the asian specialist ... help would be appreciated


[This message has been edited by nova_x (edited 12-09-2002).]
 

nova_x

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very interesting insight jake...

i've had relationships w/ korean girls in the past amongst other asians and it seems to me that you gotta take into account the differences between 1st and 2nd gen girls too... a physical move that may be seen as confidence in one faction may be seen as inappropriateness in another... or am i completely off here?

(this one is 1st gen tho... which would usually bring up warning flags since i'm chinese and 1st gen koreans usually go out w/ themselves... but i know that she's gone out w/ chinese guys b4)
 

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Who said Jake is the asian specialist? Hehe.


Alright, I agree with Jake, you got to guage the interest and do a kiss. Jake, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you kiss a Korean girl in the cafe when she's being all quiet?

Nova, how do you know she got high IL? Did she kiss you or kino with you yet? You gotta show that you're a chinese MAN and you're desirable. You want a sexual relationship, not a friendship. From my experience, a girl (even a conservative girl) would want to touch me and hug me after the first date. That means her interest is high and she feel secure with me. I think conservative Asian women tend to be a little insecure, so they really want a guy who display security and confidence.

If you try kino and kiss, and she isn't receptive, then you gotta reevaulate your position. I know girls who would date me for the food and company, but wouldn't want to be in an LTR with me (ie. only friend zone). You want to make sure you're not heading toward the friend zone with this girl. Take the risk and demonstrate your masculinity.
 

If you want to talk, talk to your friends. If you want a girl to like you, listen to her, ask questions, and act like you are on the edge of your seat.

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u c... i'm confused

there was kino (her initiate at first with me reciprocating) 2 weeks ago but slowly that has now dwindled to diddly squat.

i think i will just next this one for other reasons as well and just take it as experience... it puzzles me that on one hand i dont want to let her know i really like her (challenge theory) but at the same time i'm supposed to be aggressive like you guys just suggest?

i originally thought the challenge theory meant to use it to bring the girl's IL up to a point where it'd definately be a loss if u didnt do something 100% physical towards her... but to break it out immediately? and also... she IS 1st gen... i seem overly worried that 1st gen girls dont respond well to sexual moves this early...

*confused*
 

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First Thx Nova for posting a similar question as mine. Okay I am from India. Have been in US for awhile to be fairly Americanize. I met this Korean girl and what can I say she is stunning and I always had this thing for Korean women. Well I did took her out for two days. She is very friendly but she has the language problem. So the question is I am kinda scared to take the move. From where I come from it takes ages to take a proper move.

So what do you think Jake should I take the move and go for it. My intention is not to become a friend and I don’t want to pushed into that area. I did show her I am not trying to get into that area in ways but question is whether she got it clearly because she has the language problem.

So Jake if you could throw some points that would be great.
 

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Originally posted by wow
First Thx Nova for posting a similar question as mine. Okay I am from India. Have been in US for awhile to be fairly Americanize. I met this Korean girl and what can I say she is stunning and I always had this thing for Korean women. Well I did took her out for two days. She is very friendly but she has the language problem. So the question is I am kinda scared to take the move. From where I come from it takes ages to take a proper move.

So what do you think Jake should I take the move and go for it. My intention is not to become a friend and I don’t want to pushed into that area. I did show her I am not trying to get into that area in ways but question is whether she got it clearly because she has the language problem.

So Jake if you could throw some points that would be great.

I will be straight up - if she's Korean American and you're Americanized as you say, she may be open to it. However, less Americanized Korean girls tend to look down on non-Koreans, especially those that are non-white. Yes, it's extremely racist, and that is an ugly aspect of Koreans that needs to change. But I just wanted to warn you. Despite all that, I urge you to go with your gut instincts. If you feel she is attracted to you, then she must be. It isn't unheard of for Asian girls to go for South Asian guys.
 

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ok guys, i have a question. i'm american/white (born here but origninally iranian-american, my parents are iranian). anyway, i'm about to go on a date with a japanese girl who just moved here from japan 4 days ago. with all these things you say about korean women, do you have any advice about japanese women? how/when should i kino? and should i try to kiss close the date? or would these not be good? i think reading this post has been sort of discouraging, please help me out.
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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So JUST what is the difference between white, black, brown and Asian woman?

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Originally posted by h2o
ok guys, i have a question. i'm american/white (born here but origninally iranian-american, my parents are iranian). anyway, i'm about to go on a date with a japanese girl who just moved here from japan 4 days ago. with all these things you say about korean women, do you have any advice about japanese women? how/when should i kino? and should i try to kiss close the date? or would these not be good? i think reading this post has been sort of discouraging, please help me out.

She moved here 4 days ago? Based on girls in general, not specific ethnicities, she probably isn't looking for a serious BF. I mean she just moved halfway accross the world that is a big step and she will probably need alot of time to adjust, so why tie herself down?
 

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japanese penis is so very small
american penis is so big
 

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uh.....
 

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is the roommate a girl? Two for the price of one?
Annyong a say o! *say*
Coomdingy Hopshida...pabu imnikka. ... *don't say that to her!!

*i tried to spell that as english as possible*
 

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Originally posted by dementia
I just been with a korean girl.. it lasted a month.. was a virgin.. she liked white guys, she also despised Chinese and Indians.. and shes not the first one ive met who thinks the same.... but shes going out with u so cant be that.



She is an auto-racist - what we in Korean circles call a "SELLOUT WH0RE". Odds are, she was probably a bit of a reject in the Korean community too. You took advantage of your white privilege (the benefits you get from people who don't know the true nature of whites (as human beings, they are both good AND bad, but ignorant people see whites as 'good' and other minorities, esp. blacks, as evil. The media has a HUGE part in this)), but I don't blame you either. I've fvcked white girls who do nothing but talk shyt about whiteboys, and trust me, these insecure slvts are good for nothing but a hard fvck. She was not fvcking your because she liked you - she was fvcking you because you were white. Just fvck slvts like that HARD, and kick them to the curb like the prostitutes they are. No man respects a woman who shyts on her own kind. Sure, they'll fvck em (I have), but they won't respect them.


Well, unless you're a desperate social reject whiteboy who can't get with fly white chicks (we all don't speak of it, but we all know it... ;p ), and thus resort to women from third world regions (Latinas, Asians, etc.) who have a cultural inferiority complex and thus literally place whiteboys on a pedestal.
 

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Jake, I do have to compliment you on that initial post. You were right on the money. Koreans are a bit different from even "Asian" people on a general level, though, I'd say in such a way that it makes them even HARDER to judge.

I will be straight up - if she's Korean American and you're Americanized as you say, she may be open to it. However, less Americanized Korean girls tend to look down on non-Koreans, especially those that are non-white. Yes, it's extremely racist, and that is an ugly aspect of Koreans that needs to change. But I just wanted to warn you. Despite all that, I urge you to go with your gut instincts. If you feel she is attracted to you, then she must be. It isn't unheard of for Asian girls to go for South Asian guys.
I was lucky enough to go to Korea for a month and a half, so I got to interact with quite a few Korean women while I was out there. I'd have to say this statement is true. Yes, Koreans do look down upon non-Koreans, but if you show them that you're not a threat to them, they WILL eventually open up. It just takes a bit of patients. I don't paticularly care for what dementia said except for the last part about Korean's appearing rude. This is ESPECIALLY true. A good way to counter this is to be rude right back, but in a ****y/funny way. For some reason, this sparks 'em and causes them to become more competitive.

And don't **** with SOJU... that **** is evil. You'll drink it, and drink it, and drink it... thinking everything is fine, wondering why the hell you're not drunk. Then about an hour later, it hits you... and hits you HARD. (I've seen people do some ****ED UP **** at this point.)
 
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