well, if u ask me, it first of all, depends on the girl how fast or far she can take it. secondly, when we actually speak of subtle kino, we are not talking of accidental kinos, the kino is supposed to do its job which only happens when she is open to ur touching her, u can test her if she is ready by palm readin technique, playful dancing, thumb wrestling, etc. if she si open to this and enjoying this, she is actually open to ur fvcking her. so first thing is getting the vibe and getting in her emotional personal space and then u should actually start REAL kino, before that some protective or playful kino. what is kino? kino is a way of getting two individuals close and comfortable together in a physical way, not necessarily sex. dont any of u put your arm around ur sister while walking together? thats an example of kino. though she knows u r treating her as a little brat but still that act brings u two closer. we are close to those persons physically who are in our best's and most preferred's list. thats what a kino actually does. kino means sex only when u actually combine the sexual tension with it. got me? good.