KINO: How You THINK It Works vs. How it ACTUALLY Works

[Harry Wilmington]

Wow - there's so much to respond to here...

However, I gotta look out for the young'uns on this board first, who were once in the same situation experience-wise as I was. Soooo...

Ok I'm confused about kino. How do you touch a girl to raise kino? When I mean how I mean where do you touch her? Say If I touch her hair randomly in the middle of a convo is that good kino? If I play with her fingers Is that good? Please elaborate someone.

As I said before, it's always a good idea to let her touch you first. However, once she's broken that barrier, you don't want to go all gung-ho and start touching her every which way.

The best method, I have found, is the ol' standard "push and pull." In this case, once she touches me, I'll wait for her to touch me again (translation: I make her work for my attention once more) then I'll touch her, maybe rest my hand on her arm or shoulder for a few seconds while I say something... then pull away. I don't touch her again until she's touched me 2 or 3 more times, then I'll tell some story that requires me to place my hands on her hips or back. Or, I'll say something like "what perfume are you wearing" then get close to her neck and smell it. Girls really get off on being smelled for some reason, especially if they can almost feel your nose on their skin.

After a couple more rounds of this, I'll do something bold like hold her hand or put my arm around her while we walk around. By this point they're usually walking extra close to me anyway (another sign of her touching me), so doing these things becomes quite natural. I also make sure to occasionally look at them in the eyes without saying anything to them - they'll usually ask me something like "What are you thinking?" (Translation: "Are you thinking about me?") and I'll usually reply with "eh, nothing..." (which, in their heads, has them thinking, "What? You've gotta be thinking about me, right? Right?!?") Easiest way to set them up for a kiss either right then or later on.

So.... to answer your question specifically, I aim for the arm, shoulders, back, neck, face (act like you're brushing something off their face with your hands) and - if you're bold and she's not too picky - her hair. (For this I'll say something like "is your hair real?" At which point she'll try to prove it by letting me tug on it a little bit. Works every time).

Hope this helps!

 

[nismo-4]

There's a much easier way to do this without confusing the readers here. Enter the judge.

If a woman is into you, she'll make it clear that she wants to be touched and she'll respond back favorably. If a woman is not attracted to you, no amount of kino is gonna help you.

It's all about the initial attraction. If it ain't there, kino will be very little help. Same thing with game. This will leverage the attraction that's already there. You cannot create attraction.

If there's no attraction there, kino will work against you. I'd rather be rejected for making a move instead of just sitting back waiting for it.

Regardless, if a woman wants to see you again after a date, she'll make a way to do so. And if she likes you, she'll allow your game and kino to work. That's the fact of the matter. That's my verdict. Coming from experiance.

Case closed.

 

[ScottMustaine]

So what makes you think those AFC nice guys aren't actually afraid to touch a girl ?


I got best idea ever.


BALANCE. Don't overdo kino, but don't think about her touching you. Some girls are shy as HELL. Just make it natural. If you initiate it later in convo like once or twice. And she doesn't respond. Back off man. If she does, continue.


These theories are going from one end of spectrum to another.

It's not black and white, and definetly Heaven or Hell.

 

[Aristippus]

There is no activity that is going to make her want to touch you. Your social value, your money, and her attraction towards you will make her want to touch you. Switching from a boring conversation to ping pong isn't going to help, she could be going out with you to get her ego fed and feel good about herself.

Think there is way too much information about what to do when you are out with a girl, it confuses people and makes them screw up.

Before reading Pick up advice on what to do, I had girls all over me begging me to sleep with them because I was a jerk, then I started reading articles about how to be attractive and get alot of sex so I become unavailable, evasive, didn't answer questions, memorized techniques, ignored calls. Needless to say the advice didn't work.

Think if you just focus on your goal and don't take any crap from her, you'll be fine. But to switch to an activity so she can touch you is too contrived, just pay for it in that case.

You're right. There is absolutely no activity that is going to make her want to touch you. I actually prefer more relaxed situations over doing things that are super-active when first getting to know a woman for one simple reason. I think these activities are good for later on but I think doing things that are more relaxed give you the chance to enjoy conversation more with her and to also get physical more quickly.

The idea is you can go almost anywhere and do anything and it won't matter. I've heard some people talk about going on dates that are super-active. Where you take her mountain climbing and then you both compete in a triathelon together and then you go bear-hunting and finally you finish it off with an arm-wrestling match....oh, then, of course, you both go logging with a crew of lumberjacks, blah blah blah.

Some activity can be fine. I think some people overdo it with the whole super-active dates. The only activities I'd recommend are dancing or maybe a less intense activity like playing a game of pool or indoor games. More laid-back so you can both connect and begin getting closer (physically). It's easier for you both to begin engaging in innocent touch during conversation. It's easier to then go from that to kissing all in a pretty short period of time.

I think the main thing is balance. I think by waiting for the woman to initiate some form of touch first, if you're awkward or overdoing the physical touching, then it can be a way to train yourself to let her take some initiative instead of letting all of the effort be one-sided. But like someone said earlier, there's more than one way to skin a cat. You can initiate. Just give her the chance to reciprocate. Maybe the main problem is one-sided touch. Where one person is being touchy-feely but the other party doesn't act like they're enjoying it.

I'm a big fan of letting the physical distance of either your entire body or one part of your body close in gradually. That means if you're sitting across the table, you can't move your body but your hands can be placed on the table close enough for her to be able to touch them. That's one example. Or your legs can be in a convenient spot where it's easy for her to start playing footsies with you.

So here's one quick example. Let's say you're talking with an attractive woman, sitting next to her at the bar. You haven't touched her yet. But she acts like she's enjoying the conversation. Now during your conversation you notice, she doesn't just accidentally bump into you. But for 20 to 30 seconds at a time, you notice that she touches the side of her knee against the outside of your leg, resting the edge of her knee gently against your thigh. She initiated touch, enjoys resting her knee gently against you, and will be receptive to being touched during the conversation.

So you simply use touch then. Maybe a minute later as you're talking you gently squeeze her arm or rest your fingertips on her forearm. This isn't a case of "First I do this, then that, then that.". These are just examples. I could just as easily squeeze her thigh or lean in and smell her hair or neck. Or stroke her hair. Or squeeze or rub her hand. Maybe I don't do anything other than move 3 or 4 inches closer to her to allow the touch she initiated to be more intense. Now her entire outer thigh is pressing against me instead of her knee.

There are about a million things you can do to either reciprocate her touch or to let her know you enjoyed her touch and to encourage her to keep doing it. Anyway, like I said, no hard and fast rules. Just simple principles.

 

[May_Day]

Go to any chick advice website for men, they say let her kino you first. A really good reason not to trust this advice. Holding back from kino will get you no where fast with these girls. The passive men always wait for girls because they lack experience. You should know the signs on when to initiate kino first. When a chick is into you, it should be really obvious for you to escalate kino. I would say that waiting on women prevents men from being men. What parent would allow their young daughter to go on 52 dates a year? These girls can't even drive until they're 16. Are they going to date 52 guys at their school? Most girls in High School have boyfriends and are not dating a bunch of guys at school. Girls don't start really dating until they are in college anyway. 676 guys in 13 years? This sounds made up just to prove the posters POV. Yeah, I have to disagree with everything here. You screen out flakes when girls don't like your kino. If you're waiting all night for her, that will prevent the escalation you want.

 

[HalfAddict]

Word if i'm interested I want her to know I am... so sense in beating around the bush, some dig it some don't, but theres five zillion more where she came from... and there's always a batch of new hot chicks lol

 

[Zerro]

I agree with the OP, things have always gone better for me when I let the woman initiate it first. An interested woman will have trouble keeping her hands off of you.

 

[zekko]

These theories are going from one end of spectrum to another.

Very true. We've got touch her, don't touch her, and everything in between. Just goes to show how far up its own @ss a lot of this pickup advice is. Nearly anything can work in the right situation.

 

[HighResurrection]

To my knowledge you have to start kino within seconds of meeting her. I think if she is at the level of attraction where she wants to touch you then your touch would be received well.

 

[DragonBlood]

If a woman is into you, she'll make it clear that she wants to be touched and she'll respond back favorably. If a woman is not attracted to you, no amount of kino is gonna help you.

^^^ this


Kino is a great way to screen the flakes. As well when you first meet a woman the LAST THING you want to do is reinforce her invisible bubble (b!tch shield) and get thrown into the friendzone. OP if a girl is really willing to overlook this and start kino she already has high interest from nowhere or is probably a bit tipsy. Im willing to bet if you opened her up the result would have been the same plus more.


Questions in thread on how to kino

There was a girl on the bus with me yesterday who was working on a scrap book. So I ask her what it was all about, a little while later Im flicking through the book and starting light convo on the models inside, turns out shes a fashion designer. I introduce myself at some point, handshake obviously. She made comments on hating travelling because of all the luggage she has, sowing machine, books etc, so I squeeze her arm muscle gently saying she doesnt look very strong for what she carries around. This is all spread out over an hour and flows well.

Whole convo was light and we were both laughing, made for a better trip. The whole point is, kino is useful to help a woman OPEN UP, and take you more seriously as an individual. However, she never returned kino so I knew it wasnt going anywhere. If i sat there and didnt engage kino at natural points because I was 'testing her interest' (also known as acting odd) or some BS like that things would have gotten awkward fast and she would have tried to ignore me ASAP.


Kino doesnt increase interest, it just gives girls a window to escalate if they ARE interested.