Kino escalation - the difference between success and failure

[BingoBango]

Following an "e-fight" i had with luke skywalker (sad, i know), i've finally decided to contribute to this forum in the form of offering advice. This is advice for new-ish ppl, not veteran DJs:

The one thing i've learned so far is that kino is the difference between success and failure. Yeap, the difference between ****ing the girl, and being her friend.

BEFORE i got into this community:

I already knew it was good to be funny. So "****y-funny" is nothing revolutionary.
I already knew to DHV, because that's obvious - u wanna look cool.
I already knew i had to gain rapport and comfort.
I already knew i had to be interesting, and hence create interest.
I already knew it was good to search for things u have in common (bait hook reel release)
I already knew chicks were attracted to guys who already had girls (they look cool - preselection)
I already knew that we can use pick up lines to approach random girls (canned material)

So much of the game is just common sense. It wasnt just me who knew the things above.
Most of this **** EVERYONE KNOWS!
(Perhaps we just expressed it a different way before we got into this community)

So i knew to do all this stuff above... wow, awesome... i must've done well with all that material... did i get any girls? NO. Hardly ever. Like yeh i would hook up with some slut from uni or some sh*t, someone i'd meet through my social circle... But with the girls i wanted, I would basically always end up in the FRIEND ZONE!

Why is that? i was cool, i was funny, i had heaps of friends, ppl liked me, i look alright, what's the f*cking deal?

KINO ESCALATION

Yeh in a way it's also an obvious thing that everyone knows. You have to touch the girl.

In my younger days i tried to touch girls, but came across as sleazy. So i changed, and stopped touching them much at all... hence i constantly landed in the friend zone. Both methods were f*cked.

So what's the big deal about kino escalation? The big deal is the ESCALATION part, not the KINO part. This is because u already know u have to touch her, that's obvious - so the concept of touching/kino is nothing revolutionary. But, ESCALATION - that IS revolutionary once u get it.

Escalation means u start off small and then u increase it.

So, u shake her hand.
U give her a hug and a kiss on the cheek.
U touch her shoulder.
U brush against her side.
U touch her back.

Too easy, right?

Then it ESCALATES!

U touch more and more.
U play silly hand games.
U touch her lower back.
U hold her hand.
U kiss without tongue.

Then u isolate her. Be it later, or that same night.
And u further escalate to sex.

I guarantee u this works. It's unbelievable. If u do this one area right, u can even get away with all ur dumb AFC behaviour and still f*ck the chicks u want.

Why does it work? I'm not sure, but HELL YEH it certainly works! Mystery suggests that it works not because u make the girl horny, but because u build comfort. It's kinda like patting a dog. When u do kino u seem more friendly, u feel more safe, and u show that u are a sexual being.

So, summary:

Do excessive kino straight away: sleazy
Do hardly any kino: friend zone
Use the genius of kino escalation: u get the girl

 

[hope7]

I think this is the answer to a enigma I was thinking about:
someone said never mention 'date' when asking a girl out. But then I thought, when do you make your intentions clear, I don't want the first kiss to be a surprise.

The answer: kino escalation.

I don't think theirs enough posts about kino escalation. Im having difficultly going from light touching of the hands/shoulder to kissing and stuff.

 

[BingoBango]

Dude, i swear, this will help ur game more than anything else... It doesnt really matter what u say - what does matter is body language and things like kino. I cannot believe that the pick-up gurus and ppl who post on here dont talk about kino more. Maybe they just assume we understand it already?

Anyway, David deangelo (love him or hate him) says that in communication, 93% of it is body language and the words is only 7%.

There's some awesome posts on kino-escalation in the bible. I suggest u read them!

Cheers

 

[john_1234]

Following an "e-fight" i had with luke skywalker (sad, i know), i've finally decided to contribute to this forum in the form of offering advice. This is advice for new-ish ppl, not veteran DJs:

The one thing i've learned so far is that kino is the difference between success and failure. Yeap, the difference between ****ing the girl, and being her friend.

BEFORE i got into this community:

I already knew it was good to be funny. So "****y-funny" is nothing revolutionary.
I already knew to DHV, because that's obvious - u wanna look cool.
I already knew i had to gain rapport and comfort.
I already knew i had to be interesting, and hence create interest.
I already knew it was good to search for things u have in common (bait hook reel release)
I already knew chicks were attracted to guys who already had girls (they look cool - preselection)
I already knew that we can use pick up lines to approach random girls (canned material)

So much of the game is just common sense. It wasnt just me who knew the things above.
Most of this **** EVERYONE KNOWS!
(Perhaps we just expressed it a different way before we got into this community)

So i knew to do all this stuff above... wow, awesome... i must've done well with all that material... did i get any girls? NO. Hardly ever. Like yeh i would hook up with some slut from uni or some sh*t, someone i'd meet through my social circle... But with the girls i wanted, I would basically always end up in the FRIEND ZONE!

Why is that? i was cool, i was funny, i had heaps of friends, ppl liked me, i look alright, what's the f*cking deal?

KINO ESCALATION

Yeh in a way it's also an obvious thing that everyone knows. You have to touch the girl.

In my younger days i tried to touch girls, but came across as sleazy. So i changed, and stopped touching them much at all... hence i constantly landed in the friend zone. Both methods were f*cked.

So what's the big deal about kino escalation? The big deal is the ESCALATION part, not the KINO part. This is because u already know u have to touch her, that's obvious - so the concept of touching/kino is nothing revolutionary. But, ESCALATION - that IS revolutionary once u get it.

Escalation means u start off small and then u increase it.

So, u shake her hand.
U give her a hug and a kiss on the cheek.
U touch her shoulder.
U brush against her side.
U touch her back.

Too easy, right?

Then it ESCALATES!

U touch more and more.
U play silly hand games.
U touch her lower back.
U hold her hand.
U kiss without tongue.

Then u isolate her. Be it later, or that same night.
And u further escalate to sex.

I guarantee u this works. It's unbelievable. If u do this one area right, u can even get away with all ur dumb AFC behaviour and still f*ck the chicks u want.

Why does it work? I'm not sure, but HELL YEH it certainly works! Mystery suggests that it works not because u make the girl horny, but because u build comfort. It's kinda like patting a dog. When u do kino u seem more friendly, u feel more safe, and u show that u are a sexual being.

So, summary:

Do excessive kino straight away: sleazy
Do hardly any kino: friend zone
Use the genius of kino escalation: u get the girl

great post! yep, escalation is vital! if the window of opportunity presents itself, don't hesitate and take action! if you don't take action, it can kill your chances w/ the girl. the following two cases illustrate my point:

#1) hit it off w/ a girl @ the club. during about 30 -45 minutes, i performed kino and escalated all the way to the point that we were close, embracing each other while chatting. the next step would be a kiss. but i was too ***** to escalate. looking back, the window of opportunity presented itself, but i didn't escalate. although i got her number, she flaked.

#2) hit if off w/ a girl @ the club, different night of course. this was different because the girl was the one who actually kino escalated. we hit it off and after a mere 7 to 10 minutes at most, we were already holding each other, and she was gazing into my eyes (the window of opportunity), but i didn't escalate though by going for the kiss. yep, happened so fast i was caught off gaurd. but i did learn from this that sometimes time isn't a factor when it comes to kino... the only factor to consider is whether or not the window of opportunity presents itself... doesn't matter if it's five minutes or an hour, you have to take action and escalate! this girl ended up giving me a kiss on my cheek; she refused to give me her # though ...

in both cases, i really feel that the outcome probably would have been different had i escalated kino all the way up to the kiss. i came across as sure of myself/doing the right things but they probably senses something was fishy when the escalation stopped prior to the next step, the kiss

 

[realsmoothie]

My problem with kino is that it's the same risk as asking someone out.

When you start touching a girl, you're basically asking her out or at least hitting on her. It's the same as saying "I like you, go out/kiss/have sex with me".

As such, I get scared that if I touch a girl she'll flinch or have some other negative reaction.

I'm not saying that we SHOULD be scared... obviously not, and it's not like I am scared all the time. I'm just saying that escalating kino is not as easy as some make it out to be.

It's basically a non-verbal form of showing sexual interest. So I like the idea much more than any verbal actions, for sure.

Good original post.

 

[chronic99uk]

Im interested to know how you act around said girl. Do you make these gestures, then walk of and chat to friends in the hope of speak to her again, and introducing the next level of kino.

Or are you specifical chosing times?
Im sure i can apply it a little more in the times i want to, but this might only work in a group thats she knows, and that i know?

How do you apply this to someone you just met, or singled out?

 

[BingoBango]

This is not "the lastest technique" or a "good routine" for picking up at the club.

For example, i did kino escalation on a HB8.5 from work and she asked me out for a drink after work.
I did kino escalation on a HB8 from uni, and she gave me her phone number and asked me to call her.
And i AM NOT good looking, prob average (i'm short lol).

To real smoothie:

Trust me when i say: you really dont understand kino escalation at all. Which is cool, u can learn it here now.

Kino isnt really about the sexual stuff - although it does show ur a sexual being. The point is the COMFORT. Remember the PATTING THE DOG thing, coz it's really like that. Is u patting the dog telegraphing ur sexual interest in the dog? i hope not.

Kino is not the same risk as asking someone out. It's like touching her on the shoulder. How the fvck is that the same risk as asking her out?
It's like giving her a kiss on the cheek and a hug. How is that the same risk as asking her out? It's just standard social convention, but is part of kino escalation.

And man, IT IS FVCKING EASY!

seriously, do it once well and u'll be like "wtf that was SO easy"

Just touch her shoulder, rub her back, slowly escalate. She'll become interested coz she'll feel comfortable with u.

 

[BingoBango]

Also, if u cannot do kino (now that i've told u how) then u have no balls. coz it's so fvcking easy.

And if u have no balls, u might as well leave this site coz nothing will ever help u. U should prob go study really hard and hope to score some gold-digger HB5.5 coz that's the best u'll ever do.

As mystery says, u must do this until mastery. U cannot go half way. U cant come here and get one technique, get one girlfriend then go "yay!'
We're here to learn the skills, not get the girls. If u have the skills to pick up girls, that sh!t is for life man.

 

[\O/]

Good post. Kino is essential!

 

[Boschy]

Oxytoxin.

 

[BluEyes]

Thanks good post, helped clear some stuff up for me

I think kino defines the enormous gap between AFCs and the DJs. I'm not too good at escalating yet, but I'm working on it. It's amazing how OPEN and ACCEPTING girls are to being touched(not pervertedly of course), in any form of conversation.

I wouldn't mind afew pointers though, here's my deal: I'm not bad at kino, I can easily get the arm around the back, hand on the shoulder, messing with the hair, hands on hands...But, I don't really have a set path from there, I usually just stumble around after that until something clicks.

Do you guys usually escalate for a kiss once you get the greenlight on the rest of the kino?

 

[BingoBango]

You can do whatever man.

Use the kino to test if she's into u or not. If she is, yeh u can escalate to a kiss. A good idea is to escalate up til kissing without tongue, then isolate (like meet up another time, or even take her home that night).

None of all this crappy sosuave forum advice even matters man. Just go out and try it. Work on ur inner game, and use the simple techniques from the bible. Try kino escalation on girls at work (especially any new girls), try it on ppl at uni, try it on girls ur gaming at a party, try it on ur female friends, try it on girls ur gaming at the nightclub, try it try it try it.

Coz until u try it and u kno it works, it means f*** all reading about it on the stupid internet.

 

[Konjac]

My favorite Kino thread.

 

[realsmoothie]

OK, I'm not arguing with you, because I agree with your post totally.

I'm just saying why *I* find kino escalation difficult. That first touch can be rejected or accepted, and is a test to see whether the girl is interested in you or not... as you say right here:

Use the kino to test if she's into u or not.

So it is pretty much like asking her out... you're risking being rejected.

What I like about it is that it is a little more subtle. You can try a little kino and if it isn't returned, well maybe you have an early sign.

Or... maybe some girls have an instant aversion to touching?

 

[Cableguy]

You're right on point here Bingo. Saturday night I hung out with a HB9 that I've been macking to. In the past I'd give her backrubs and whatnot, but that in and of itself never got her horny. I was determined that night to work on some light kino and hopefully go for the heavier stuff, i.e.escalate it. Worked like a CHARM. I started off touching her on her arm when I was making a point. Little while later it was touching her lower back when she passed me in the kitchen. Finally I came up behind her and began to smell her neck, pretending to be interested in her perfume. I knew I was on to something when she shivered and I saw goosebumps. Aside from boring old backrubs and hugs goodbye this was the first time she was experiencing my touch and she loved it. The best part was it was easy and the most natural thing I've done to a woman in quite sometime.

 

[Holland]

When you start touching a girl, you're basically asking her out or at least hitting on her. It's the same as saying "I like you, go out/kiss/have sex with me".

Women don't think in those terms.
When you touch a women or hold her hand, she's thinking: "ow he's a friendly guy"

Just because YOU happen to know what your intentions are doesn't mean that she'll have the same ideas in her head that are in your head.

You're thinking about it in the wrong way. Being rejected when you're touching someone. WTF?!?

I dont know about you, but I touch my male friends too. And I definetly dont like to spend the night with them.
It's just a simple touch on the shoulder or a hug, it's not like you're grabbing her ass or something.

Or... maybe some girls have an instant aversion to touching?

Well, I'm not interested in neurotic women, so that's cool.

As mystery says, u must do this until mastery. U cannot go half way. U cant come here and get one technique, get one girlfriend then go "yay!'
We're here to learn the skills, not get the girls. If u have the skills to pick up girls, that sh!t is for life man.

Amen, Diamonds are Forever

Physicly advancing has always been my weakest point in this area. And it's also THIS that has led me to 'fail' whenever I would make mistakes with women.
I'm gonna work on my kino escalation next weekend!
I do believe that other aspects are very important too, like:
-Body language; posture, slow movement, facial expressions etc.
-Style and social proof
-Building tension & ****y and Funny (perfect for amplifying present attraction)
-Dominance (high status (higher then her), being leading etc.)
-Scripting situations
-Her persuing you vs. the other way around (delaying calls, messages and you doing it once for every 2+ times she does)

But what I experienced was this. You can do all of these things and build some nice attraction in her, BUT if you do not take things to next level she'll get disinterested eventually. Some girls allow you to linger around and being sketchy about the whole physicly advancing thing. But more experienced girls won't and that's where my mistakes happened. So I have to work on this. Thanks for this thread and good luck to you fellow men. I know what to do now

 

[whir]

yah i just did that to this chick last 2 weeks..im too boner to hell

 

[BingoBango]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6mrfWp6_w&NR

That 1 min 50 second clip on KINO escalation completely changed my game. After i understood did this, almost everything fell into place.

It helped me so much, so it might help u too.