Kinda sad: They let emotions override the logic of their man

[Pandora]

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.


As you all know I have been dating a girl over seas for a while. Her visa interview is approaching soon ( not marriage visa because I will never marry, but visitors visa). I am instructing her to do something very vital. No matter how logically I explain it to her she wont do it. This vital document will greatly increase her chances of coming to visit. She is in her emotions and is afraid of getting this document. Her counter arguments are trivial emotional nonsense. I told her to link herself to her family business but for some reason she refuses to do this.

This is the biggest red flag there is. I have a woman that is disobeying her man. I have taken this girl around the world competently. There is no reason to not trust me. A woman that cant follow orders is useless to her man. I know what needs to be done but I am sad about it. I am just waiting for the right time to cut her off. I am waiting until they deny the visitors visa then I will dump her. It will be difficult but I have to do it.

I am a little depressed because this is the #1 reason why relationships don't work. This is a cross cultural phenomenon. If a young woman never learned to take male guidance she will never be in a functional relationship. The vast majority of my relationships end because they think they know better. I ALWAYS ASK THEM "WHY ARE YOU WITH A MAN THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE WISER THAN?" They cant answer.

Marriage is too difficult to have 2 captains. It's sad because I don't know if I will ever find a woman that can be submissive enough to start a family with.

ps: I dont want to hear bullshyt, I am venting on this forum because this is the ONLY place where a man can discuss something like this. For the first time in a long time I am genuinely sad. I am sad because I know that finding a submissive woman is truly a rare thing.

 

[Pandora]

Men are not even asking for self aggrandizing submission. We just know that immature women tend to make life decisions out of EMOTIONS instead of logic. This is a woman's biggest weakness since the beginning of time. Since the Garden of Eden. A good man is just preventing the woman from doing this emotional decision making. A good women allows her man to regulate her emotional behavior.

The following examples are for the women on this forum that don't understand what men are talking about. This is how female rebellion looks in real life. It destroys themselves and society.


1.) Her: " I was going to divorce my husband after cheating on him"
Me: " why didnt you?"
Her: " my parents made me feel like shyt, and told me that I was mentally ill for thinking about this. They told me I have a 1 yr old son. I am now happy they put some sense into me. I am happy I stayed"


2.) Her: " I am leaving the city because I cant land the dream job"
Me: " work your not dream job to make money and keep applying. Between that and a part time you will make more than enough money to survive. Don't make an emotional decision and just give up so soon"
Her: " Nope, I wont listen". She leaves and destroys her life even more

3.). Her: " I dont understand how to count cards, I wont go in for the 2nd interview"
Me: " dont make an emotional decision. We have 1 night to learn how to play black jack. We can do it. Lets go buy a card set and learn"
Her: ' No! Its not possible, Im just going to cry"
Me: " Stupid ***** get in the car and lets go to Target and buy a set"
Days later she get the job that changed her life because we stayed up all night learning.
Her: " thank you for forcing me to learn"

4.) Me: " please stop sleeping around so much. Settle down. I know we broke up years ago but its time to relax with the streets. You will end up jaded and single at 28"
Her: " you dont know what you are talking about. I will be fine. I can love as many men as I want. I read a book on it"
Me: " listen you dumb biytch, you have no idea what you are doing to yourself"
Years later she is jaded, was on SSR's?, seeing a therapist etc.

5.) Me: " dont have a baby with him"
Her: " stfu"
Me: " ok"
years she is a miserable single mother

 

[The Duke]

The male/female relationship dynamic is in such disarray these days and both sides are confused about what their role is, I think its best for a guy to accept reality of the current situation. Women were told they were equal to men and that is such a lie, which set them up to fail. No one wants to accept differences and use those differences to enrich each others lives.

Realize solid women are extremely rare these days. A man has the most influence over a woman and she is on her best behavior when you are simply dating. The minute you allow her to get comfortable(committing, moving in together, renting an apartment together, buying a house together) your power over her slips away and she will become more difficult to deal with.

Your mindset needs to be that women are just for sechs and good times, until you come across one that is amazing.

The price for an average woman is too high these days. Stop committing to them and drive the price down. They'll have to change their behavior or not get their needs met. These days they have far too many options and think they run the show.

 

[Pandora]

Realize solid women are extremely rare these days. A man has the most influence over a woman and she is on her best behavior when you are simply dating. The minute you allow her to get comfortable(committing, moving in together, renting an apartment together, buying a house together) your power over her slips away and she will become more difficult to deal with.

So true. That rebellious nature is always under the surface ready to come out. It just has to get comfortable like you said.

Why would God design a creature like this?
I have been looking at the story of Lilith in the Biblical apocrapha. That story ( along with Adam and Eve) echos much of what is said here.

So family and kids is pretty much off the table for most men huh

 

[SW15]

So family and kids is pretty much off the table for most men huh

No. Most Millennial men are getting married and/or having children. This might not be the wisest decision, but it's the path of the blue pill, the path of beta male.

While Millennials are doing the marriage and family thing less than previous generations, it still seems to be the default for Millennials.

Millennials are starting to get old too. Gen Z is the upcoming generation.

 

[Gamisch]

Be glad you might dodge a bullet here.

Sounds like a real headache.

Imo getting a women like this is too much investment. And let's be honest; the more you invest the more you will do to make it work. The situation gets unbalanced. The ability to walk away is basically non existent. Bad position to be in as a man, talking from personal experience

I could write a whole book what might happen when she is here, but I geuss you are aware of that too. Your sadness is justified, because when you look for a submissive woman to spend years with it will be a difficult, frustrating task.

So true. That rebellious nature is always under the surface ready to come out. It just has to get comfortable like you said.

Why would God design a creature like this?
I have been looking at the story of Lilith in the Biblical apocrapha. That story ( along with Adam and Eve) echos much of what is said here.

So family and kids is pretty much off the table for most men huh

In nature female animals are much worse. With many species the male will die,gt eaten or later fights his own sons for territory.

The life hack are the hormones. Women always wanna procreate, it's their nature.

Nowedays it translates into using men as donors and nothing more.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The days of submission are gone, OP. Do what you must with that information.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The modern woman infection has spread to the entire globe. My wife is from a third world country, religious background, two parent married household. She is submissive but will tell me all the ways I am still wrong and make her displeasure known while submitting. In short, she’ll do what I say but with a shvt attitude. It’s almost as bad to be honest. OP, women in 2022 feel entitled to do whatever the hell they want.

 

[Pandora]

The modern woman infection has spread to the entire globe. My wife is from a third world country, religious background, two parent married household. She is submissive but will tell me all the ways I am still wrong and make her displeasure known while submitting. In short, she’ll do what I say but with a shvt attitude. It’s almost as bad to be honest. OP, women in 2022 feel entitled to do whatever the hell they want.

Exactly! I dont get why people say go foreign. Foreign women are still women lol. All the foriegn women I have met were not that submissive. They are just not as toxic as their American counterparts.

I think for a woman to be agreable she has to come from a really stable nuclear family with a loving strong father figure. Any deviation from this ideal will result in some type of rebellion.

 

[Pandora]

I could write a whole book what might happen when she is here, but I geuss you are aware of that too. Your sadness is justified, because when you look for a submissive woman to spend years with it will be a difficult, frustrating task.

Thanks man. You get where im coming from. Guess ima be a playa for life lol

 

[Pandora]

No. Most Millennial men are getting married and/or having children. This might not be the wisest decision, but it's the path of the blue pill, the path of beta male.

While Millennials are doing the marriage and family thing less than previous generations, it still seems to be the default for Millennials.

Millennials are starting to get old too. Gen Z is the upcoming generation.

This is true. Most of the guys in long term relationships/ marriage just slowing die of nagging. The women talk to them any type of way. My sister does it to her newlywed husband.

Thanksgiving dinner she was talking to him crazy when he was in the kitchen. Marriage is def for betas. Im not even that alpha but I cant live like that. I cant have some woman talking to me like a child for 40 yrs lol.

 

[typical]

My question is "Why do YOU need a submissive woman?"

I'm 38 now and having been on this forum since 2002 (despite a later signup) this forum and my own real life mentor has shaped me into a well rounded financially free stable man in extremely good shape for a late 30's male (in my opinion of course).

Once you break out of the whole traditional mold of having the NEED to find a woman that has the ability of being a decent wife its extremely refreshing stress free and gives you complete freedom. The entire mindset change suddenly opens up all the doors for every single women out there to want to "Secure and tie you down", they know without you having to say a single word that you're the cliché "Catch".

I could right now (its Sunday 5pm here in NZ) jump into my car go downtown with just a tshirt and jeans on and within 30 mins there will be a woman "Wanting" to talk to me. It is like they can smell a "Man" from kilometers away.

With the way this modern world is I still am dumb founded that men are actively looking to get married and have kids and play "house". Don't you have any crazy ambitious goals in your life that drives you and pushes you to excel and try and become the best you are ? Because every time I've set myself a new goal suddenly there's a throng of women that want to link up and become the gf/fiance and hopefully wife, and each time I tell them I'm not slowing down and settling down I've got things to achieve.

Maybe that's your solution.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I think for a woman to be agreable she has to come from a really stable nuclear family with a loving strong father figure. Any deviation from this ideal will result in some type of rebellion.

It won’t matter. The family unit helps but that’s not the reason they don’t want to submit. Women in 2022 won’t submit because they don’t have to. The modern world has been built to supply all their needs. There are no consequences for bad female behavior. Women submitted in the past out of necessity. That ship has sailed, my friend.

 

[Atom Smasher]

OP, you opened up this thread with a scripture. Paul was writing not to so-called generally “spiritual” people (as defined in our insane society). He was talking to people who understood that they could in no way earn their way into heaven, and that only by trusting in Christ’s substitutionally perfect and sinless life could they become right with God. In other words, Christians… people who made themselves right with God by approaching God HIS way.

Very few, if any women in the natural have the ability to be fully submissive. Only women who have been changed from the inside out can do so. When we are made right with God, he normalizes us over a period of time. We start to value what he values and we start to desire to live true to his design for us.

Again, you opened with scripture, and that’s why I’m contributing in this way. My wife is truly submissive not because of trying. It is because she has been changed from within to live up to her God-designed role, just as I have been changed in the masculine sense to live up to my God-designed role.

Paul is writing to people who have removed themselves from the throne so that God can occupy that throne. Mankind abhors the thought of answering to a higher moral authority, and hence the sin and decay of this world.

A man who submits himself to God finds that he is worthy of a woman who will submit to him in life. A man who sits on the throne of his life finds only women who sit on the throne of their lives. A truly submissive woman as described in your opening statement cannot even see men who are not submitted to God. Such men are not even the tiniest blip on their radar.

God fixes and normalizes our thinking once we submit to him. Like finds like.

 

[zekko]

3.). Her: " I dont understand how to count cards, I wont go in for the 2nd interview"
Me: " dont make an emotional decision. We have 1 night to learn how to play black jack. We can do it. Lets go buy a card set and learn"
Her: ' No! Its not possible, Im just going to cry"
Me: " Stupid ***** get in the car and lets go to Target and buy a set"
Days later she get the job that changed her life because we stayed up all night learning.
Her: " thank you for forcing me to learn"

I guess the job was dealing blackjack for a casino?

 

[Pandora]

I guess the job was dealing blackjack for a casino?

Yes it was. This was about 8 yrs ago. She was a dancing dealer. The girl was very pretty. Cluster B to the core though. That job changed her life. It took her up a tax bracket out of poverty I suspect. Those dealers make money omg.

 

[Pandora]

OP, you opened up this thread with a scripture. Paul was writing not to so-called generally “spiritual” people (as defined in our insane society). He was talking to people who understood that they could in no way earn their way into heaven, and that only by trusting in Christ’s substitutionally perfect and sinless life could they become right with God. In other words, Christians… people who made themselves right with God by approaching God HIS way.

Very few, if any women in the natural have the ability to be fully submissive. Only women who have been changed from the inside out can do so. When we are made right with God, he normalizes us over a period of time. We start to value what he values and we start to desire to live true to his design for us.

Again, you opened with scripture, and that’s why I’m contributing in this way. My wife is truly submissive not because of trying. It is because she has been changed from within to live up to her God-designed role, just as I have been changed in the masculine sense to live up to my God-designed role.

Paul is writing to people who have removed themselves from the throne so that God can occupy that throne. Mankind abhors the thought of answering to a higher moral authority, and hence the sin and decay of this world.

A man who submits himself to God finds that he is worthy of a woman who will submit to him in life. A man who sits on the throne of his life finds only women who sit on the throne of their lives. A truly submissive woman as described in your opening statement cannot even see men who are not submitted to God. Such men are not even the tiniest blip on their radar.

God fixes and normalizes our thinking once we submit to him. Like finds like.

Hey Atom you are 100% correct. I used to think Christianity was detrimental to humanity. I went to Bible schools most of my life. Now I see the role that religion plays. I find myself going back to the scripture and seeing the immense wisdom in the teachings.

I guess you are right. A woman will only sit in her femininity if she is inspired to follow God's will. It has to be a spiritual change for her. Interesting. Thanks for the food for thought.

 

[Pandora]

My question is "Why do YOU need a submissive woman?"

I'm 38 now and having been on this forum since 2002 (despite a later signup) this forum and my own real life mentor has shaped me into a well rounded financially free stable man in extremely good shape for a late 30's male (in my opinion of course).

Once you break out of the whole traditional mold of having the NEED to find a woman that has the ability of being a decent wife its extremely refreshing stress free and gives you complete freedom. The entire mindset change suddenly opens up all the doors for every single women out there to want to "Secure and tie you down", they know without you having to say a single word that you're the cliché "Catch".

I could right now (its Sunday 5pm here in NZ) jump into my car go downtown with just a tshirt and jeans on and within 30 mins there will be a woman "Wanting" to talk to me. It is like they can smell a "Man" from kilometers away.

With the way this modern world is I still am dumb founded that men are actively looking to get married and have kids and play "house". Don't you have any crazy ambitious goals in your life that drives you and pushes you to excel and try and become the best you are ? Because every time I've set myself a new goal suddenly there's a throng of women that want to link up and become the gf/fiance and hopefully wife, and each time I tell them I'm not slowing down and settling down I've got things to achieve.

Maybe that's your solution.

Yeh bro I hear you. I lived the bachelor life granted I am not as financially successful as you. I travelled around the world and the USA and had sex with many women but that gets old after while.

At some point every man wants a son. I go to martial arts classes and envy the guys that have their sons on the mat. Or the guys that teach their sons how to read etc.

I met a succesful pilot in his 50s the other day. He mention that he felt like missed out by not having a family.

The catch 22 is that the men with families are paying for it dearly with their sanity.

 

[zekko]

Yes it was. This was about 8 yrs ago. She was a dancing dealer

Wow, dancing dealers, what will they think of next? I have to confess I'd never heard of these until now, had to look them up. The ways our society will make money off of young, attractive women are amazing.

 

[Pandora]

Wow, dancing dealers, what will they think of next? I have to confess I'd never heard of these until now, had to look them up. The ways our society will make money off of young, attractive women are amazing.

So true. Sex sells especially around drunk men with a lot of cash. She was making bank. They would deal the cards for a bit and then they would switch out dancing in a cage/ stage.