Just broke up after 4 months - BPD/Cluster B or typical 20 yr old? Head spinning...

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Hey, been on here recently reading about relationships & BPD's to try make sense of what just happened to me. I think it's a great forum for relationship issues as opposed to just picking up girls so it seems a good place to look for answers from you guys who are experienced in these matters.

It seems that there are a lot of similaities between the way young girls are by nature, and cluster B's/BPD's, and i'm really struggling as to whether my girl was nuts and I was in an unwinnable situation, or I messed up somewhere and it was an issue with me. In which case I want to address and resolve it so that I don't mess up with the next girl I fall for.

After reading up, and really thinking about her actions, i'm pretty sure she had a disorder, but at the same time I think maybe I just rubbed her the wrong way and she got her claws out and played me big time.

It could have been that she was just a young, very pretty, immature, testy girl who lost her initial high interest level, and I couldn't recover from it.

Or it could be that she had BPD or similar and the games and mind fking in the relationship were inevitable from the start.

The thing is i'm stuck in a conflict as to which it could be because there are so many similarities in behaviour between BPD's and young girls in general! Eg...

...We could say BPD's are very jealous, but so probably is a young girl in love.

We could also say perhaps a girl consistently trying to make you jealous, or being flakey could be traits of either.

And what about emotional distancing and pushing you away, this could be a BPD's fear responce to intimacy OR a girl losing interest and pulling back!

So i'm kinda stuck...

Can anyone here make some key distinctions between the actions of a young girl (20-21) and those of one with a personality disorder like BPD?
 

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Need more specifics if you want a specific answer. Like multiple examples of different situations. You'll just get the typical "it could go either way" with what you've provided.
 

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I think what characterizes BPD is these extreme ideation and devaluation periods. One minute you are her hero, the next minute you're a total villain and you're out to ruin her life.

Another key characteristic is extreme shifts in mood. One hour she might be on top of the world, the next hour she'll be crying talking about how she wants to kill herself and be pondering the point of living.

One more thing I noticed is that she was always testing personal boundaries. Normal girls do this, too, but the BPD does it at a level that causes her to ruin all of her friendships.

There is some comorbidity (term used when disorders have some overlap in symptoms) between bipolar type II and BPD. One of my ex-girlfriends was diagnosed with bipolar type II and was a dead ringer for BPD.

These relationships are fucking miserable. If your ex does indeed have BPD, be glad you've left. The psychological damage I endured from being in a relationship with a BPD for even 4 months has taken several months to repair.

And for God's sake do not mull the relationship over; you'll never figure her out if she actually has BPD. Her emotional circuits are deranged.
 

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The thing is that even "normal" people exhibit BPD traits from time to time. The difference is that BPD show many or all of them concurrently.

The other thing is that there are what are called playbook behaviors that if you compare stories with other people perceiving to be cluster B survivors you will be incredulous at the exactness of the behaviors and feel as if they were operating out of a playbook.

The reason you get screwed up from these relationships as they cause PTSD.

You were lucky to get out at 4 months. Many get roped in for years and years and the damage is incalculable.

Hell, I checked myself into an outpatient psych program because I was losing it after my 2 year BPD relationship blew up.

BPD/HPD women = sirens who lure men to their death (spirtually, physically, mentally etc.)
 

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Ok sorry for the ridiculous length of this but im just gonna get it off my chest for my own therapy more than anything else.

i'll put a summary at the top though.

this is how it went...

Met her at a club, I was in mega state, I pulled her over and she just clung to me and was totally fixated. we went outside and made out and i got her number.

From there it was super sexual texts and naked photos, then we hung out at mine a few times.

at first she's talking out loud to herself at times - 'you're alright aren't you.. your really nice aren't you'

then over time she started saying she likes me too much
that she is 'scared'
that she is 'feeling vulnerable'
she's never usually affectionate, but with me she's just 'so different'.
calls me 'daddy' in a girly voice
says that there is 'just something about me'
constantly asking me 'where the relationship is going? what are we doing?'
talks of marriage albeit in a joking way,
she's super sexual but withholding sex because she usually doesnt, and wants to wait with me.
shes always saying 'why do u like me? i dont understand why u like me?... I cant read you at all'
no matter what i say she always wants more and wont beleive what im telling her.
She's totally adoring, like a little sex kitten purring on my lap, always saying 'when will I see you again?'
very often texting 'i miss you!!'
she once said 'you're my property'
long phone calls doesn't want me to ever get off the phone, constant, constant text messages all day long. which sucked me in big time. if i didnt reply shed be all 'not talking?' 'did i say something wrong??'. so i felt compelled to reciprocate.
used similar sayings as me and then commented how she is talking the same way.
said she couldnt speak because she was so overwhelmed by me and lost for words.
i once pointed at the moon saying how cool it looked and she was all emotional saying 'don't, don't'... next thing i know shes supposedly going to get a tattoo.. of the moon.
Saying 'can i call? dont wanna sound stalkerish!'
saying shed fallen for me
saying her brain was wanting her to confess her feelings but she didnt wanna scare me off.


all this is over about 4 or 5 meetings.

At the same time though she seemed really cool, open and honest, really down to earth at times and we had a great banter between each other. it just seemed shed fallen in love with me, hence the cutesy clingy stuff.

This goes on for 6 weeks untill I finally cave and agree to be bf/gf.

Then it starts going downhill...

Heres a list of negatives about her, a lot of which i rationalised and overlooked:

Guarded her phone like the fking holy grail, would literally get jumpy if i went near it. i asked her why and she said she's 'always been like that with her phone'.
Drove like a nutter
Seemed to be angry at people, as if the world was against her.
Thought everything was 'annoying' and was always 'bored'
Had no desire to really do anything i suggested, walks, creating music together etc.
Says people either love her or hate her.
Told me she used to date a drug dealer, used to hang round with a group of heroin addicts and had a physically abusive relationship in the past.
Hinted to me she was raped in the past.
Has seen a councellor.
Went to the cinema with a guy mate while we were together and then rejected his sexual advances. he was so pissed off and felt so led on, that in the pub his sister punched her
Never told her best mate about me.
Totally smashed down any boundaries i tried to put up.
Got angry in the face of critisism.
Had no sympathy for my gripes, was often just sarcastic 'aww, do u feel neglecteeed?'
Was often quite critical and mildly insulting.
If i raised an issue with the relationship to have an adult discussion, she'd make out i was being a *****, or flipped it so she was the victim and i was the bad guy and tried guilt tripping me.
Liked playing the victim - being all closed off and pouty like something was wrong but not telling me what it was.
Got pissed off every time I went out and basicly punished me by not meeting or going silent for a day.
Was super jealous of any other girls I hung round with or mentioned.
Said that other girls don't like her and she doesnt get on with girls, so all her friends are men, EXCEPT her controlling best mate whom she never told about me because she thought 'I was a ****' and didn't want to get her mad.
Had 4 **** buddies on the go before she met me, all of whom wanted relationships with her.
Was bisexual.
Was constantly alluding to the fact guys pester her and she should 'change her number'.
Said 'I always gets what I want'.
She could text but when I tried to ring 'couldn't' talk at the time, but could still text.
If I had a gripe about her behaviour she would literally use the exact same thing on me in a later argument as if it was ME who was in the wrong, and HER who was concerned about it. ie being trustworthy, being bothered about the relationship working.
Went on her period for (lol) 2.5 months because she had the implant in and wouldnt get it taken out because she was scared of needles. She only miracalously came off after I dumped her for the first time, and then avoided meeting me for a whole month after so i never got sex.
Would never kiss with tongues saying she had a 'phobia' from an early experience.
Used to say I could shag other people while she was on if i wanted to, because she felt she was 'neglecting' me.
Used to say i am really not good looking.
She went from 'theres just something about you but i dont know what it is', to 'I cant think of one thing I like about you' in a v short space of time.
Things I said I liked... kissing, cuddling etc, then eventually meeting up.. she stopped doing, saying she didn't feel like it, etc.
Used to threaten to break up with me but when I said 'ok' would instantly backtrack and make it out to be a joke and that I 'needn't be like that!'.

She seemed to respond to drama and me pulling back, like she always wanted to be chasing or pulling away and the relationship seemed like we could split up any second. But i didn't want a relationship like that because it felt like there was no core foundation, no respect, no care for each other, no real bond, everything was just based on the whirlwind of feelings in the first 6 weeks which had no substance. I wanted some solid trust and to build up our understanding of each other. She seemed to think now we were 'together' that was all automatically taken care of.

It was basicly bull**** and games from the day we officially started going out, and me trying to adjust and recover, rationalise her behaviours and try to make things work between us. all to no avail, it was like there was only 1 person in the relationship. eventually i lost my patience and ended it.

this is the long version...
 

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if anyone wants to read the longer version ill post it otherwise i might seem to spammy!
 

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Post it. It is good for people to see real case studies, so they can better spot the red flags when they are 'in it.'
 

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Yes, dating a BPD woman is simply heartbreaking. They will fall asleep in your arms after a starry eyed goodnight kiss. Then you'll wake up to find them on the far side of the bed, as responsive as a corpse. One side of them will push you away and laugh in your face and then the other side will send you a text message the next day and ask for forgiveness. You have to let go to detoxify your brain from her. They can't be fixed. Hang in there.

(Just read the long list) - OMG there are so many similarities I wondered if it was the same girl. They are demons.
 

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Yeah , it's a really weird experience... like I intuitivley 'know' she is bad news and not a good person, yet there is still a part of me that thinks I didn't treat her right and she decided to 'get me back' for being too playerish early on.

anyway this is the long version for anyone who cares to read...

after 6 weeks we were together, we still hadnt had sex but she came off her period and came over to my house with yoghurts for me to eat off her pvssy... she goes to the bathroom then comes downstairs all upset and moody, nearly crying... i ask whats wrong and she says she'd 'come on' again... unbeknownst to me she would be on her period for 2.5 months! due to the hormone implant, aledgedly! if i ever brung it up she'd get all pouty as if i only wanted sex. even tho she was horny as fk aswell!

she did suck good d1ck, like proper porn style, and was wild - she liked being treated really roughly and being choked and skullfvcked hard.

she also liked being cuddled and made really cute noises when she was squeezed.. at first!

couple of warning signs happened early on... she calls me then texts to say she didnt mean to ring. i reply saying 'i should think not x' she then snaps saying weve only just started going out and although weve hardly seen each other im already pissing her off.

i dont reply... a few hours later shes desperatley texting me saying shes worried i havent replied and she was joking. later on the phone she says she isnt like 'that'.

days later were on the phone i compliment her and shes like 'i bet u say that to all the girls' i tell her not at all... but half way through talking my phone battery dies. when i plug in i have 2 texts saying 'yeah hang up slag!' 'hang up you slag!' with no kisses. she ALWAYS put kisses. she comes round and i bring it up... her face greys and her eyes look really menacingly at me and she virtually threatens to leave and break up with me then and there because i obviousley dont understand her like she thought, and shes 'not b1tchy like that'.

anyway...

She becomes moodier and snappier, the insults start creeping in and she's more difficult to meet up with.

she was always tryin to make me jealous, a few times pretty ridiculously - she said 'i cant come over tonight im off to a work party.. a colleague has a guy friend who 'realllly wants to meet me'.. im like 'ok' shes like 'but dont worry, id never cheat on you'.

i'd be on the phone with her and shed always be like 'one min... then shed reply to a text and say some guy keeps pestering her'

she constantly 'jokingly' insinuated she fancied my housemate.

one night we told each other the number of people wed slept with, hers was quite high and i think my face showed a degree of shock.. she nearly started crying, going all girly and saying i should just split up with her now if im going to end it. i re assured her but she texted later saying she cant help worrying she 'put me off'. come to think about it she worried about that on a few occasions.

all the effort with the texts stopped aswell but i decided to keep giving because i didn't want to play some tit for tat crap and spoil it.
it continued though.. being disrespectful, flakey with meet ups. when she did ever come round she'd often be in a foul mood and often snap at me and insult me saying im annoying etc. even though i'd done nothing wrong.

she didnt trust me at all, always thinking i was playerish. she wanted to go out dancing to a really loud obnoxious meat market of a pub/club (where i met her) i said lets go somewhere more chilled coz i wanna be able to communicate with her, since we barely saw each other. She took that as meaning i had something to hide, like i didnt want girls at the pub knowing about her, or i had girls there id been seeing.

used to pretend she didnt receive texts i sent and wait until late @ night and say 'no text? ;('.

I felt totally off balance with her, she was like a jekyl and hyde character. The times we were apart my mind was performing somersalts as to what she was playing at, but when we met up it's like i 'knew' her again, and i'd just forgotten who she was because my mind was playing tricks on me.

we were in bed and i asked her why she didnt seem to compliment me much anymore and she said 'well i wanted u to know i liked you, but ive got you now haven't i'

she came over on valentines day after work, in a flat mood, ate the food i made then we were lying in bed & she says were not doing anything because shes got to go walk the dog. she leaves after making no effort at all but 'apologises' by text later.

if i ever told her i couldnt be doing with all the bad behaviour and i didnt want to be in a relationship where there was no respect and i didnt want to invest all my time and not get anything back, that there was other things i could do with my time. shed get pouty and sound sad, saying yea like shagging other girls u mean', as if i was a player and thats what i wanted.

she kept flaking and being difficult so i told her to come over and sort stuff out, i put forward my side of things and she made it out like i was totally over reacting and i got her over there for nothing. she didnt take on board anything i said and basicly spun the whole thing round on me. i ended up saying id been speaking to a mate about our relationship and had conerns about it, that id also talked to a girl about the implant.. she got really upset and angry for talking to other people about her and threatened to break up with me, i said ok and then she changed her mind but put me on a major guilt trip about the whole thing, she looked so angry and upset it was kinda worrying. she claimed she 'really really really liked me.. too much' and was 'scared, but id really pissed her off'. she wouldnt stop acting like a hurt little girl & refused to let it go for days, and used it as an excuse for me to make all the effort.

the last straw was when she built up her 21'st bday to me for weeks then excluded me from it completely for the whole week, making excuses as to why she couldnt come round and not making an effort to meet up. i sent her a bday text in the AM and she didnt reply all day untill 11pm claiming her phone had 'died'. i told her to try get friday free to meet. she went NC on me over thu, fri, then texted out of the blue sat eve saying she left her phone at work. i ended it by text around that time saying theres no point continuing because were just spinning our wheels and we never see each other and we should have been all over each other at that point.

i truly thought shed either lost interest or was scared of being hurt and pulled back. either way she was being disrespectful & playing blatant games.

still, i was in turmoil that i may have done the wrong thing and just lost someone amazing (based on what she was like early on) by jumping to a wrong decision.

4 days later she re initates contact and we talk on the phone, i explain i only split up with her because i thought she was no longer interested because of the way she was behaving - avoiding meet ups and not putting any effort in in general. she told me i was totally wrong and she did like me still etc. but shed 'lost respect for me for breaking up with her by text' and she had also come off her period in the days we split up (nice coincidence!).

She came round the day after to sort it out, somehow she managed to frame it that i was the one in the wrong and i was explaining my reasons for being so mean and splitting up with her. i told her how much i liked her, that i even cried when we split up. She didn't beleive me at all, as if I wouldnt have cared enough to cry, but i was like 'serious, i cried a bit coz i was sad'. know what she said to that?... 'oh, i don't think i've ever made a guy cry before, oh well maybe once'. Like it was somekind of emotional trophy! (another time, i told her she was a flirt for accepting drinks off horny guys in a club, all she was interested in was whether or not it made me jealous).

Anyway I told we could just see each other casually if she wanted, no strings attached. she gave a flat no, saying she either wants nothing or a serious relationship. i said ok but on the condition we saw each other more, like a few times a week. she agreed saying she was available 5 nights a week. she stil left in a mood though and refused to kiss me.

then... the sh1t continued - flakes, no effort with texts, emotionally distant on the phone, there would often just be an eerie 'dead air' between us.

if i ever called her out on it she would say she wanted me and no one else and that she wanted a serious relationship.

i put up with it for another month, where i really tried to make it work.

everytime i tried to talk to her on the phone about the situation id just be told im blagging her head, or what is my problem, shed make out i was over reacting. or shed just agree to things and then totally do the opposite.

she used to flip things that bothered me about her and turn it back on me, ie. i told her i wanted a relationship with her aswell as my phone. a bit later she flaked on me so i went to the pub. when she found out i was in the pub she freaked out texting me saying she 'expected me to be tucked up in bed waiting her call and that i had to be IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY PHONE AS WELL AS HER!
 

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... continued

a few times she went on really depressing rants on the phone about us and the relationship, she made it all sound so tragic. when i brought it up the next day to try and resolve it would claim she was tired that night and couldnt even remember what she said.

if i told her i was off out she'd be like 'enjoy!' but with anger in her voice, like i was trying to piss her off by going out.

if she rung and i was out she always sounded really pouty and depressed, never happy for me. she'd say 'im just gonna go then' so id say 'ok bye' and she'd just sit quiet on the other end of the phone until i re-initiated convo.

stuff like this made be beleive she really did like me and was just immature and scared of being hurt, which kept me hanging on so long putting up with her sh1t

i secretly gave her one more week where i would be really nice to her and unreactive but she flaked again so i finally ended it last week, well i pretty much gave her an ultimatum to come and sleep over or forget it so she chose forget it.

sh1t hurt like hell but id run out of ideas and had built up some major resentment for her and things were past repair.


the only things i can think of i did to cause her sudden change in behaviour when we first got together were:

continue not to reply to texts quickly, like leave them at least 15 mins - 1 hour. but i always made an effort with content. i knew it frustrated her tho but i didnt want text ping pong all the time.

was fairly unavailable, meeting her about 2x a week.

admitted flirting at a bar, albeit harmlessly.

thought about her way too much which will probably have affected my behaviour around her a bit.

wasnt 100% sure of my boundaries at the time as i'm not really one for relationships, so i guess it encouraged testing behaviour.

i became nicer towards her because i liked her.

i think she realised i wasnt as 'amazing' as she first thought, and began to lose respect for me.

also i think she saw a more chodely side of me, like when i wanted a hug, she seemed to be physically repelled, because she wanted to be the one being hugged not the other way round.

i remember early on she asked why we didnt see each other more and i said i didnt want to burn out the relationship. its as if she took that as a strategy and took it to the limits by never seeing me!

its been 9 days NC, she sent the last text on sunday saying 'just a text to say sorry x'.

it was too ambiguous so i didnt reply.


jeez..


looking at all this stuff, whether BPD or not she was a litte **** and i put up with way too much. like, its amazing how much my emotions clouded by judgement and the amount of excuses i made for her behaviour. major AFC ****.

during the relationship my friends said i seemed different, quiter, more introverted and stressed, which i was.

most of the time i was experiencing low level anxiety & stress emotions and felt really suspicious of her although i couldnt pin down what it was. i felt addicted to texts from her, always wanting the next 'hit', which kept me in an emotional turmoil.

she really hurt me on a number of occasions and after we split up for good it took a few days where i was literally shaking because of adrenaline and stress hormones coursing through my veins! i dropped about 1/2 a stone in weight over the course of the relationship and didnt sleep too well, and im still waking up in the night now.

im still obsessing over the whole thing trying to work out whether it was me who went AFC over her and she lost attraction & toyed with me before forcing me to ditch her or that she was a nutter and all this stuff was inevitably anyway

i think she wanted a crazy emotional rollercoaster ride but i couldnt provide it because i developed real feelings for her and didn't want to continue with the constant push pull emotional spiking stuff that i'd maybe do to girls id see casually. I just wanted some good sex, some affection and some fun times with a girl i liked. Plus i was building resentment towards her and found it hard to be positive and upbeat when she was constantly grazing and moody.

i feel completely emotionally drained and not myself anymore. every woman i look at now seems to have the potential ability to really hurt me, whereas before id be confident and flirtatious, im now feeling really scared of em and struggling to find a positive perspective on how im going to pull my socks up and get back into the game.

i really fell for her and dropped my guard. now i just feel totally played, used, chewed up and spat out.

I thought I had this women stuff figured out too!

I hope this isn't what i can expect from all girls i get feelings for because if it is then i'm quitting relationships for life!
 

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Non Juan said:
Yeah , it's a really weird experience... like I intuitivley 'know' she is bad news and not a good person, yet there is still a part of me that thinks I didn't treat her right
Exactly. That was the theme of my post here:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=183674

I think the problem is that their behavior is inexplicable, so our mind keeps trying to "solve" them. The only cure for a woman is another woman.
 

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I dated a BPD girl about 2 years ago. A coworker too. Actually to be more specific, a coworker who got into a fist fight with another girl coworker.

The fortunate thing about this scenario was, I had already been a member of this site for years. So, while she was my first BPD-type girl, I knew what she was doing as it happened. (I cannot stress how good the information and discussions on this site are IF YOU LISTEN TO IT)

You cannot tame these girls. But you can manage them. And sometimes it's fun...because they're cute, and unpredictable and exciting. You just have to overlook the emotional part of it and say to yourself "Hey, I'm having good sex with this girl, but she is NOT a girlfriend, nor will she ever be." You have to admit that right off the bat. These girls are toys. Not someone you allow into your inner circle.

When they suddenly say, "We should stop seeing each other." You calmly say, "Yeah. You're probably right."

When they say "I didn't think you'd seriously leave me. Let's get back together." You say, "Uh. Tell you what - I'll get back to you later."

They want you to ride along their emotional rollercoaster. And the trick is, you can't. You cannot fight emotions with emotions. When they're on a high, they want you to rise with them. And when they're low, they try to drag you down. You have to be steady, living in your own world, and willing to walk away from them if their craziness sidetracks you from your own life.

If you come across a BPD in the future, you can leave her...which is totally understandable. Or you can keep her at a healthy distance, and treat her like a plaything. Where guys get sloppy is, they start trying to live in the crazy world of the crazy girl. That's where you fail.
 

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Non Juan -- she, without a doubt, is BPD. Man I could go line by line in your story. It's all there. It's hard, but do Not beat yourself up. Do not make excuses for her, or blame yourself. Focus on you, the flirting with chicks and whatnot will come back. Kudos BTW, for not replying to her text. It was a trap to engage you. To see if you were still her beeatch. But seriously, she nails the BPD meter wth an 11! And you were only in it for 4 months. You're lucky for that, believe it or not.

It's good you posted your story, to get it out. And as a warning to others.
 

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I'm really confused because i'm constantly reflecting on everything that happened to try and understand and learn from the experience.

I keep mentally flip flopping about what the reality of it all is but right now i'm seeing the whole thing failing as my fault.

I’m f'king wounded here.

Thought I had this women sh1t handled. I’ve been reading for 5 years, the whole lot, MM, David D, everything pick up related I could find, mainly going by RSD's stuff. I’ve been going out for like 4 years getting occasional lays but got so strong on the attraction side; just I wasn’t leading and closing enough. I got a bad rep around my area for being OTT with girls so at least I know I was pushing my boundaries.

Anyway just before Christmas I decided it was G/F time and I met her thinking I’d found a diamond. But as soon as she got a bit testy I LOST MY SH1T. Like everything I had read and understood I tossed away, deciding instead to try and LEVEL with her and drop the games. I wanted us to work TOGETHER and build something positive, but in the process I stopped being attractive.

Thought about her 24/7, listened to women on advice on what to do, I was chasing ****ign shadows and the more she withdrew the more I GAVE. I couldn’t get perspective and pull myself out of the emotional nosedive I was taking. I WISH I would have come here or read some solid advice DURING the relationship.

It’s cut me deep this. I feel like my whole psyche has been scalpeled open and is laid out before me to view.

I wasn’t lonely before, I just wanted to pimp it up, but now I really feel I want some companionship with a quality girl who I can grow with and learn about women on a deeper level.

I thought I had the chance with this girl but I really feel I blew it. Even though she probably wasn’t the best in terms of LTR material, I can’t believe I couldn’t’ find the strength to make it work. At least until I genuinely got bored of her. But she got bored of me, and in no time at all.

Im so frustrated I can’t describe it but I’ve dropped into a depression and im close to tears most of the time.

Looking at myself now I can see how weak my self-esteem is and how much I lack direction in life.

Fcks sake I can’t even handle a 21 year old girls **** tests and im 31 years old.

I have poor boundaries and some deeply engrained emotional buttons that open me up to bad feelings and the experience of having a really week sense of self, once a girl finds those im ****ed unless I fix them, every time I get into a relationship this same sh1t is gonna happen.

The last girl I loved was 5 years ago, same story, she basically confessed loving me in no time at all, only that time I’d just been reading Doc Love’s stuff so I held back on the compliments and remained aloof and tried to use his advice, but it was totally incongruent with my character. Thing is I had no internal compass or idea or what to do so I just tried to follow advice off the internet. Instead of reciprocating her compliments to some degree, I kept it to myself, and even kept negging her like an idiot. Although I was really affectionate and she basicly 'knew' my feelings. The **** tests started because she will have sensed incongruence and I started reacting to her and 2 months later she was GONE.

Same sh1t as this girl.

Also, im sad at the realisation there is no respite, no real comfort zone, no matter how close you and your woman are, your still an infinity apart and basically utterly alone in this whole deal. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, that the fairy tale doesn’t exist, because relationships and marriage and life in general with regards to women are (as I recently read) ONE BIG **** TEST.

Sure, we can run from that fact like most guys do and indulge our hobbies and sit around with our buddies and wallow in the comfort of it all, but if we are going to have high quality women in our life then we have to be living at our edge or they will eat us for breakfast and leave us in the remains of our own shattered egos’.

I dont even know if this girl really was BPD/NPD, all that sh1t up there is true but I think I was just searching for anything that pointed the finger away from myself.

My ego got in the way, I over rated her IL and rested on my laurels. I think I even put my ego before sex, and got into a battle of wills/ego with her, and as soon as that happened I was going up against the impossible.

I traced her first major noticeable shift in attitude towards me 2 weeks into our ‘relationship'. 2 days NC from her, then she asked me to call, she sounded distant. I asked if she was cool and that I thought shed gone off me or summat and she was like 'no, before I liked you, but since you asked me out I reallllly like you' but it sounded slightly sarcastic. That was it right there. DONE. GAME OVER. I shoulda walked then but I believed all of her lies and bull**** and followed her words instead of actions for 2 MONTHS.

Each time I saw her I was less sexual and fun because it felt incongruent, and felt I was basically dancing around her moods as she was acting *****y. I didn’t feel as much like rewarding her with affection and fun, there was a growing animosity and resentment between us and I think on a subtle level she sensed my underlying feelings for her change. Eventually I had no choice but to end it and I did that weakly too.

I think she saw the 'real' me early in and her attraction bombed, because most of my 'game' is club/pub oriented high energy stuff, I can handle sh1t tests easy when im out, and it's ok before im emotionally attached, but once my emotions are engaged with the girl I feel vulnerable and like she could just pick apart my weakness.

And she did… she prodded and poked and I COULDN’T RECOVER. I.e. regain positive emotions and infect her with them. Take over the direction of the interactions and pull her out of her moods. Become the director of the energy between us and act like the man. Eventually I gave up.

I don’t know how im going to get back from here. Don’t know where to start.

Anyone know any good resources for building core confidence and self esteem?

The last text she sent me, 2 days after we split... ‘Hey just a text t say sorry’.

That meant sorry you weren’t man enough for me.

Because i’m not. I’m not man enough to handle a hot feisty little 21 year old nymph so in her eyes I don’t deserve her.

Can someone who can relate please give me some direction here because i'm at a crossroads, more like a spaghetti junction, theres so many options and resources and actions I could indulge in but I don't know where to start.
 

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I know exactly how you feel. It was 4 months ago today my BPD lover flew to see me. I took her to her favorite show and she said "it doesn't get any better than this". We went to dinner and she said "this is the best date ever" and kissed me at the dinner table and then asked me to kiss her again.

Then on the way to the garage I couldn't find my car. She threw a temper tantrum and started screaming at me and insulted me and then cried and didn't say a word on the entire 100 mile ride to my house. I made her sleep on the couch. This was after 8 weeks of love letters every single day.

Yet I still wonder "what could I have done differently" - I stayed with her until just 2 weeks ago (NC since). I still miss her because I haven't found another girl who I like as much as I liked her (as I had imagined her to be). But the reality is she was a BPD as*hole.

Logic can't undo or create love, unfortunately.

The only cure for a woman is another woman. The pain we feel must inspire us to grow into better men.
 

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Don't take this the wrong way, because I am sincerely trying to help, but I think you are just as if not more crazy than she is, and she is a nutjob. Not only did you start to date this girl despite your gut saying not to, you then STAYED with her despite the obvious mental instabilities she showed (and you weren't getting laid on top of it) and finally, you have taken the time and effort to write this entire scenario out here, (did it take hours?) showing that you obviously still care a great deal despite all she did and that you are severely hurt by what happened. Just off the top of my head, I think you suffer from a severe lack of self esteem, a great fear of being abandoned, and lots of signs of BPD yourself.

I think you need to start taking all the time and effort that you showed in dating this girl and writing this post, and start working on yourself. Whether that involves counseling or not is hard to say, but get some help bro.
 

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You do realize that this is not how a normal girl or relationship is supposed to be right? I mean for the life of me cannot figure out how a normal, sane, confident man would stick around for even one day of dating a lunatic like that. You really need to do some soul searching as to why you did.
 

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you should know young (especially hot) girls are he worst for relationships. i've always stayed away from young immature girls. hate them.
 

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There are also a lot of cougars who are basically 21 year old's in 35+ year old bodies. You get all the immaturity of a young girl, plus the wrinkles and baggage of an older girl - what a great combination.
 
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