Just as clueless as an American!

[Wyldfire]

If I meet someone I like enough to be intimate with then I will be intimate with them. I never mislead anyone...in fact, I staright out tell anyone I date that I do not have casual sex and if that is what they are looking for they are wasting their time and mine. And I won't let a guy spend a crap load of money on me. In fact, I'll usually suggest something that is either free or very cheap because I don't feel comfortable having someone spend money on me. I'd rather pay my own way.

I'm really not a biotch...and only get mean when someone else is an arse to me. You were an arse in your post which is why you got the reaction you did. You were more tactful in your second post to me, so you get the same in return.

 

[Latinoman]

I'm really not a biotch...and only get mean when someone else is an arse to me. You were an arse in your post which is why you got the reaction you did. You were more tactful in your second post to me, so you get the same in return.

Hmmmmm...are you trying to apply a DJ move on me now?

I'm kidding.

Listen, I already know that I will be debating you very hard. Especially when you write stuff about "women's prime", "laundry lists", etc. The thing is (fairly or unfairly), we try to tell men in here that they should try and date certain type of women. Unfortunately, (fairly or unfairly) you are not the type we recommend. It is not personal...it is that we cannot adjust our advice in order to make you feel happy. Once again take a look at the two links I provided above. Those are the things that I would always debate AGAINST in this place.

I am currently seeing an older woman. I know EXACTLY what I'm getting into. And that is the difference...I choose her for a number of reasons. The main one is because it allows me to focus on my kids. Other than that, I could and would be dating women in their 20s. Why? Because I can.

But, would I advice men to do what I'm doing (dating older women)? Nope. Why? Because they MUST first experience other things. They MUST first become sure of themselves and be willing to walk away. And quite honestly, is NOT the best choice (although, it is for me because of my current situation).

My point of this post? Simple. I'm illustrating that I have NOTHING personal against you. My ONLY purpose in here is to help (and for the same token learn) others deal with issues in life as a way to better themselves. I don't "teach" people how to play women nor how to get laid. I "teach" them how to better themselves.

 

[Wyldfire]

I've been here 5 years...I have posts in the Bible. I give very good, solid advice. I have absolutely NO interest in dating anyone from this site or anyone who follows the philosophies of this site. Now that we have established that...stereotyping any group is foolish. It's wiser to look at people as individuals. The key in whether or not a person is good to date or get involved with isn't whether or not they have children or have had certain things happen to them...it's how they deal with things and what kind of parent they are. If you have to choose between getting emotionally involved with a divorced single mother who has her life and head together and a woman who has never been married and doesn't have kids who is a complete and total screw up and unstable and you go for the screw up then it's your own fault when you find yourself back here complaining about how awful she was. Basically...you need to judge people individually based on who they are NOW, not anything else. Likewise, that is how women should judge men.

 

[Latinoman]

I've been here 5 years...I have posts in the Bible. I give very good, solid advice. I have absolutely NO interest in dating anyone from this site or anyone who follows the philosophies of this site. Now that we have established that...stereotyping any group is foolish. It's wiser to look at people as individuals. The key in whether or not a person is good to date or get involved with isn't whether or not they have children or have had certain things happen to them...it's how they deal with things and what kind of parent they are.

You see?

Men and women are different when it comes to relationships. That's a fact.

1- Past actions would clearly determine the LIKELIHOOD of woman's future behavior.

2- If a woman was into sleeping around (one-night-stands), and behaved in such a fashion that lowered her values/moral standards...you can rest assure that that woman would eventually revert to that behavior if things get hard in her relationship. These women are hybernating and the only way to keep them in that stage is by HARD work. And when a man works that HARD to keep a woman from sleeping around or getting bored to the point of reverting to past behavior...then that man MUST sacrifice other things in his life.

3- Althought, there are some exceptions to the rule, the question should remain the same: why waste our energy trying to search from a pool in which the chances of hitting the jackpot are CONSIDERABLY low...when we can, instead, search from a pool in which the chances of are considerably HIGHER.

4- Even if a woman has not have a life of a slutt...once she start reaching certain age (e.g. 35+), we know she start developing some level of bitterness.

5- If she was divorced...comes from an abusive relationship...was cheated...etc....we know that the LIKELIHOOD of that woman to be "damage goods" are very high.

6- If she has small children from other men (especially out of wedlock), we know that her number one priority is (and should be) finding an appropriate daddy for those kids.

7- Then comes MENOPAUSE...which is the stage in which women start losing most of her sexual desire.

If you have to choose between getting emotionally involved with a divorced single mother who has her life and head together and a woman who has never been married and doesn't have kids who is a complete and total screw up and unstable and you go for the screw up then it's your own fault when you find yourself back here complaining about how awful she was. Basically...you need to judge people individually based on who they are NOW, not anything else. Likewise, that is how women should judge men.

As I said...the likelihood of that "divorced" woman being a "screw up" when she was younger (pre-marriage time) are also high. See the Hybernation theorem.

And why spin plates with a divorcee with SMALL kids AND a single woman that is a head case? I personally would disqualify both.

Not saying there not good men out there to meet and date these women. All I'm saying is why we as men MUST feel an obligation to date a woman that make mistakes in life to the point that is expected from us to raise HER kids too? That does NOT make Me a bad man. What it makes me is a SELECTIVE man.

 

[Wyldfire]

1- Past actions would clearly determine the LIKELIHOOD of woman's future behavior.

Past actions of men also determine the likelihood of their future behavior. So do you think all single and childless women should shun all divorced men or single fathers simply because their marriage failed? Or do you think it's wiser for them to consider WHY the marriage failed and whether or not they tried to make it work? The only men who should be shunned automatically are men who are serial cheaters, abusive to others, sex offenders and the like.

2- If a woman was into sleeping around (one-night-stands), and behaved in such a fashion that lowered her values/moral standards...you can rest assure that that woman would eventually revert to that behavior if things get hard in her relationship. These women are hybernating and the only way to keep them in that stage is by HARD work. And when a man works that HARD to keep a woman from sleeping around or getting bored to the point of reverting to past behavior...then that man MUST sacrifice other things in his life.

The same can be said of men. I think ANYONE, male or female, who sleeps around is nasty. Why on earth would I or anyone else want someone that anyone else can have? I won't date man wh*res either. I think they're really gross...the same way you seem to view slvtty women.

3- Althought, there are some exceptions to the rule, the question should remain the same: why waste our energy trying to search from a pool in which the chances of hitting the jackpot are CONSIDERABLY low...when we can, instead, search from a pool in which the chances of are considerably HIGHER.

Why on earth are you dividing women into "pools"? There are only two "pools" of women...the ones you know and the ones you don't know. Of those you know there are some you are attracted to and some you aren't. Your "dating pool" should simply be the women you've met who you are attracted to. When you like one you get to know them better to see if you like them as a person as well. If you "search" in that fashion then you are more likely to find someone you actually really like. So what if a woman is divorced or has a kid...if you like her and are attracted to her there is no reason not to get to know her a bit better to find out if she's worth your time. If you like someone you like them and what "group" they fall into shouldn't matter so much as who they are as a person. I don't fit any of the typical single mother stereotypes. I know lots of other single mothers who don't either. I only know a couple who do fit the typical stereotypes and I don't blame guys for steering clear of those types of women because they are trash. But there are just as many unmarried single women without kids who are just as trashy, if not moreso.

4- Even if a woman has not have a life of a slutt...once she start reaching certain age (e.g. 35+), we know she start developing some level of bitterness.

lol...that's not true at all. Older women are actually far easier to get along with than younger women because they are more mature and appreciative and less demanding. The only ones who are bitter towards men are radical feminists or ones that REALLY got hurt badly and choose to stay a victim.

5- If she was divorced...comes from an abusive relationship...was cheated...etc....we know that the LIKELIHOOD of that woman to be "damage goods" are very high.

According to that thinking almost everyone on the planet is "damaged goods". Everyone gets cheated on at some point in life. Almost everyone has been involved with someone who has abused them either physically, mentally or emotionally, even if only passive aggressively. You can't judge a person by what they've been through...you have to judge them based on how they deal with those experiences and whether or not they learn from them and don't keep repeating the same mistakes.

6- If she has small children from other men (especially out of wedlock), we know that her number one priority is (and should be) finding an appropriate daddy for those kids.

This one is kinda comical to me. Know why? My ex husband of 10 years and I have 3 children. He is a terrible father and has gone to great lengths to avoid supporting his kids. He's also a miserable b@stard to our children and they all want nothing to do with him. They are 20, 18 and almost 16. I never tried to find a surrogate father for them. Instead, I took on the role of father as well as mother. I taught my kids sports, fishing, we camp, hike, etc. I even taught my sons how NOT to let themselves be adversely affected by feminism.

I also have a beautiful 6 year old with a man I wasn't married to. He is a wonderful father, is always willing to help in any way he can and he loves our daughter very much. Why would I want to try to find some other guy to replace her Daddy? If I end up with someone I want him to treat her well and for her to treat him well...but anyone I get involved in will be for ME, not for my kids.

7- Then comes MENOPAUSE...which is the stage in which women start losing most of her sexual desire.

lol...A woman's sexual desire doesn't work quite like men's do. It's all in the mind for women, not physical. We don't need an erection to have sex. Older men are more likely to have performance issues, but older women are fine. Menopause doesn't typically happen until the 50's.

As I said...the likelihood of that "divorced" woman being a "screw up" when she was younger (pre-marriage time) are also high. See the Hybernation theorem.

Depends on why she is divorced. She may have done nothing wrong and it could have been the husband who was a screw up. The husband may have gotten the divorce, who knows.

And why spin plates with a divorcee with SMALL kids AND a single woman that is a head case? I personally would disqualify both.

All head cases should be disqualified. Automatically someone just because they are a parent is foolish. If they don't have enough time or can never get a sitter or are controlled by their ex, then yes, disqualify them...but don't assume all single moms are the same because they aren't.

Not saying there not good men out there to meet and date these women. All I'm saying is why we as men MUST feel an obligation to date a woman that make mistakes in life to the point that is expected from us to raise HER kids too? That does NOT make Me a bad man. What it makes me is a SELECTIVE man.

Okay...I thought we were talking about dating, not making a serious commitment. Why on earth do men think that dating a single mother makes him responsible for taking care of the woman's kids? This isn't something the single mom's expect or even want at all. It's something men assume will be expected of them. I don't even let any guy I date meet my kids unless I am sure the relationship is likely to lead to something long term. Only 3 men have known my kids that I got involved with since I got divorced 12 years ago. It really annoys me to no end when men assume that I only want a father for my kids. Screw that...if I date it's all about companionship for ME!

 

[Latinoman]

Past actions of men also determine the likelihood of their future behavior. So do you think all single and childless women should shun all divorced men or single fathers simply because their marriage failed? Or do you think it's wiser for them to consider WHY the marriage failed and whether or not they tried to make it work? The only men who should be shunned automatically are men who are serial cheaters, abusive to others, sex offenders and the like.

1- RARELY a man with children is looking for a woman to take care of HIS children. Men (the great ones) tend to be independent creatures.

2- This is a DJ forum. If this was a Female Forum, then I would provide advice. And the advice would be slightly different...because men are different than women. But I would provide my advice nevertheless...starting to AVOID DATING "INTERNET" men as my #1 advice to women.

The same can be said of men. I think ANYONE, male or female, who sleeps around is nasty. Why on earth would I or anyone else want someone that anyone else can have? I won't date man wh*res either. I think they're really gross...the same way you seem to view slvtty women.

That's fine. Still, my advice TO MEN remains the same. I'm not giving advice to women in here. My advice is given to MEN. So, I don't know why you are so defensive.

Why on earth are you dividing women into "pools"? There are only two "pools" of women...the ones you know and the ones you don't know.

Time (and in the man's case) MONEY is of essense. So, we have to go by statistics and likelihoods.

Your "dating pool" should simply be the women you've met who you are attracted to. When you like one you get to know them better to see if you like them as a person as well. If you "search" in that fashion then you are more likely to find someone you actually really like. So what if a woman is divorced or has a kid...if you like her and are attracted to her there is no reason not to get to know her a bit better to find out if she's worth your time. If you like someone you like them and what "group" they fall into shouldn't matter so much as who they are as a person. I don't fit any of the typical single mother stereotypes.

I would DATE and SLEEP with woman with children. Make no mistake about that. But I would NEVER consider her for a serious long term relationship.

I know lots of other single mothers who don't either. I only know a couple who do fit the typical stereotypes and I don't blame guys for steering clear of those types of women because they are trash. But there are just as many unmarried single women without kids who are just as trashy, if not moreso.

True. I'm not advertising to date trash. Just to pick the best of the litter (sorry for the term).

lol...that's not true at all. Older women are actually far easier to get along with than younger women because they are more mature and appreciative and less demanding. The only ones who are bitter towards men are radical feminists or ones that REALLY got hurt badly and choose to stay a victim.

Listen, I have dated younger and older. It is true.
They are experts in the bait and switch. And yes...you (older woman) are more demanding. And you should be more demanding. After all, the clock is ticking...add that past BAD experiences. So, please, do NOT b.s. us into believing otherwise.

According to that thinking almost everyone on the planet is "damaged goods". Everyone gets cheated on at some point in life. Almost everyone has been involved with someone who has abused them either physically, mentally or emotionally, even if only passive aggressively. You can't judge a person by what they've been through...you have to judge them based on how they deal with those experiences and whether or not they learn from them and don't keep repeating the same mistakes.

Let's assume that what you say is true. Then, given the option...why should we pick a woman that has multiple children, is over 35 years old, is divorced, has some emotional bagage (e.g. cheating husband or abusive husband)...over a woman that has no children, is in her PRIME (28 years old), never being divorced? EVEN if she has emotional baggage...who should we pick?

I want a woman that have HIGH standards. How do I know about her standards? By the type of men she has phuked (or even dated) in her past.

This one is kinda comical to me. Know why? My ex husband of 10 years and I have 3 children. He is a terrible father and has gone to great lengths to avoid supporting his kids. He's also a miserable b@stard to our children and they all want nothing to do with him. They are 20, 18 and almost 16. I never tried to find a surrogate father for them. Instead, I took on the role of father as well as mother. I taught my kids sports, fishing, we camp, hike, etc. I even taught my sons how NOT to let themselves be adversely affected by feminism.

Who is the father of your fourth child? And if he was so "terrible"...why did you choose to have THREE kids with him? That's beside the point. Feel happy that there are plenty of men there willing to meet women in your situation. But do not expect a 25-45 year old DJ to do that. That's cool with DJs in their 50s, as we cannot expect them to be involved in a LONG TERM relationship with half their age (although, some do).

I also have a beautiful 6 year old with a man I wasn't married to. He is a wonderful father, is always willing to help in any way he can and he loves our daughter very much. Why would I want to try to find some other guy to replace her Daddy? If I end up with someone I want him to treat her well and for her to treat him well...but anyone I get involved in will be for ME, not for my kids.

Here is the answer. So, you also have a child out of wedlock. Anyway, I personally don't care. I do however know that you having such a young child living with you is going to eventually become a responsibility of the man that ends up marrying you. After all...she will ALSO be living with him. There is no way around that.

lol...A woman's sexual desire doesn't work quite like men's do. It's all in the mind for women, not physical. We don't need an erection to have sex. Older men are more likely to have performance issues, but older women are fine. Menopause doesn't typically happen until the 50's.

I'm highly educated...so, preach that to the ignorant. Some women start menopausing as early as her 30s. Some, certainly in their 40s.

Women is both: physical (losing eggs) and mental. Which makes the situation WORST!

Men? How old do you think was Clint Eastwood when he had his children? Fact is...men might lose testosterene count...but there is something called VIAGRA.

A woman's prime is in her 20s...that is combining everything (pregnancy too). Men prime (social/career/health/sex COMBINED) is in his mid 30s to his mid 40s.

No need to debate your myth.

Depends on why she is divorced. She may have done nothing wrong and it could have been the husband who was a screw up. The husband may have gotten the divorce, who knows.

I got the divorce in my case. Nothing wrong with her. But I know she will have some issues (trust) in the future.

All head cases should be disqualified. Automatically someone just because they are a parent is foolish. If they don't have enough time or can never get a sitter or are controlled by their ex, then yes, disqualify them...but don't assume all single moms are the same because they aren't.

A DJ does not raise another man's child. Period. He make sure he raises his own first.

Well, most DJs won't (I understand a widow woman). At least, that's my opinion.

Okay...I thought we were talking about dating, not making a serious commitment. Why on earth do men think that dating a single mother makes him responsible for taking care of the woman's kids? This isn't something the single mom's expect or even want at all. It's something men assume will be expected of them. I don't even let any guy I date meet my kids unless I am sure the relationship is likely to lead to something long term. Only 3 men have known my kids that I got involved with since I got divorced 12 years ago. It really annoys me to no end when men assume that I only want a father for my kids. Screw that...if I date it's all about companionship for ME!

So...you are "dating" to get laid? Heck, I date a suitable single mom if it was solely for sex and having a great time.

But NOT for a SERIOUS long term relationship.

Fact is...a GREAT mother will always put ahead their MINOR children when it comes to looking for a suitable partner. I can't and won't blame a woman for doing that. And there are plenty of "nice men" out there willing to become surrugogate fathers in exchange of sex with the child's mother. Some great nice guys willing to even raise those kids and be a great example for those kids.

Women like you should be looking for those men. Instead of looking like men like me or any other DJ.

Once your children are ADULTS...then you proceed and do whatever you want. After all...you claim that menopause does not hit a woman until her 50s. I know...you know...and well informed people here now that is FAR from the true.

 

[ElChoclo]

Latinoman could you please stop poking the resident cougar with a stick.

And Phyzzle, I hope your Chinese girlfriend with the Protestant work ethic is not planning to emigrate to Australia like so many other blow ins from NZ. I can tell you what her "clueless" masterplan is, get herself permanent residency in your country and then move up the ladder.

 

[Wyldfire]

I tried to respond but it's too long and I don't feel like editing the damn thing.

The median age for menopause in the US for a healthy woman is between 51 and 52 years old...and that was from studies done almost 10 years ago, and women are healthier now than they were then...so it's likely higher now.

The only women who get it in their 30's and 40's have other medical conditions that make them suseptible to early onset menopause. Don't believe me...look it up.

 

[Phyzzle]

EDIT: This post was a muddle. Fixed it.

Look, you guys agree with eachother. Latinoman says that it's unnaccaptable for a self-respecting man to raise another man's kids.

Wyldfire says no man at all is going to raise her kids. Men she knows very likely won't meet them.

So, what's the disagreement?

Why the Hell do these wierd arguments over nothing keep happening when Wyldfire shows up?

 

[Phyzzle]

Latinoman, I say there is only ONE reason to avoid dating females with kids: the existence of the kids. Not "the greater likelihood of ending up with a low-quality woman."

Past behavior is a poor indicator of future behavior, if the past was close to a decade ago.

I shudder to think that people would categorically judge me on how I acted at 20.

 

[Latinoman]

I tried to respond but it's too long and I don't feel like editing the damn thing.

The median age for menopause in the US for a healthy woman is between 51 and 52 years old...and that was from studies done almost 10 years ago, and women are healthier now than they were then...so it's likely higher now.

The only women who get it in their 30's and 40's have other medical conditions that make them suseptible to early onset menopause. Don't believe me...look it up.

Natural menopause (e.g. NORMAL menopause on HEALTHY women) typically happens between the ages of 45-60. Of course, you can have early menopause for a number of reasons too.


Listen...natural menopause has nothing to do with "health". It is a NATURAL way of aging and it has to do with hormones (when ovaries stop producing estrogens). Once again, there are LOT of cases that women lose their ovaries, etc...that trigger menopause in their 30s. But, I'm not even referring to that.

I KNOW all that stuff, because as I previously stated...I am seeing an older woman. And she has TONS of literature about this issue. The same literature I read.


Here is some on-line literature.

http://www.fbhc.org/Patients/Modules/menopause.cfm

Get ready...you are near there too. Five...Ten years? That's NOT a long time. Especially if you are seing a 33 year old man. That would put that man in the
38-43 year old range when you start acting moody and losing appetite for sex.

Do you think that nature didn't create us so that OLDER men can literally marry considerable YOUNGER women for a reason? Sure...men lose testosterene levels and might start experiencing sexual malfunction in their 60s. But women start MUCH early (up to 20 years early). So, there is the NATURAL balance of things. Start seeing a man that is 10+ years older than you...and you will safe yourself the heartbreak in 5-10 years into your future. If you think that a 38-43 year old man is going to deal with a 45-50 year old woman mood swings and lack of sexual drive...then you are DREAMING.

Consider the above a friendly and very honest advice.

 

[Latinoman]

Latinoman, I say there is only ONE reason to avoid dating females with kids: the existence of the kids. Not "the greater likelihood of ending up with a low-quality woman."

Past behavior is a poor indicator of future behavior, if the past was close to a decade ago.

I shudder to think that people would categorically judge me on how I acted at 20.

I'm referring to morals/values...which in a nutshell all tie to SEXUAL behavior.

Let me touch a few points...

I shudder to think that people would categorically judge me on how I acted at 20.

1- YOU are not a woman. So, stop shuddering and thinking like one. Society for CENTURIES has seen men different than women. Kings used to have harems of wives. Men had a wife and a mistress. Therefore, certain behavior was view as acceptable. You cannot change overnight those things (although, feminist movement is trying very hard). My point?

Well...

2- If a woman engaged in a bang gang (e.g. 3+ men having sex with her in a group) 15 years ago. She would probably never go that low again. However, she already reached a level of sexual behavior that when put into a hurdle (with her man), she could potentially do something considered "lesser"...such as cheating. After all, that is not as "bad" (in her mind) as having group sex. After all...she ignored society and values and did something she was taught (as a woman) not to do.

The point I'm trying to make...once a woman ignores the values/morals and the pressure of society...and engage in certain sexual acts (such as cheating)...she won't have a problem doing it again IF she faces an emotional hurdle. In fact, she will justify it.

3- Lot of women sleep around, have children out of wedlock, suck several cucks, cheat...and then blame that to the "wild years". Then they settle down and want a man that take care of them as they (women) age. I say...people should pay the price.

If they choose to be wild...that's fine. But that was her CHOICE. Lot of women choose to focus on their live and well being (they have sex, after all, we cannot expect virgins, but they did it with self-respect and understanding the consequences). But there are others that do their "wild life" stuff of sleeping around, getting VDs, etc.

The past is NOT past. The past shapes the woman's present.

4- I agree that we must first pay attention to "recent" behavior (e.g. up to 5 years). But if she is in her mid 30s...then 10 years is more than reasonable. Remember, we are talking about MATURE women in here. Not a teenager.

say there is only ONE reason to avoid dating females with kids: the existence of the kids. Not "the greater likelihood of ending up with a low-quality woman."

5- I avoid women with kids, because I am NOT going to raise another men's children. Plain and simple. LOT of good women there that have children. I'm not denying that. But...if you want to be NUMBER 2 in her life (other than YOUR own child being #1), that's fine. If you want to sacrifice your life raise her child, that's fine too.

And ANY woman that says she does not expect a man to have an influence in her children or that she doesn't choose a man based on her children is a BAD mother. You see? That's another thing that deals with society and CENTURIES of programing - women motherhood is way different to men fatherhood. We can certainly live without expecting another woman to raise our children. Heck, most of us get less than 50% custody of our children. That cannot change overnight either.

 

[Centaurion]

Don't forget the fact the she was with a man who, according to her, beat the crap out of her all day long, for 10 years. So yeah, take what she says with a grain of salt.

 

[Latinoman]

Don't forget the fact the she was with a man who, according to her, beat the crap out of her all day long, for 10 years. So yeah, take what she says with a grain of salt.

Well...I personally cannot make judgment to that. Especially, when it deals with painful memories.

Lot of women stay with abusive men due to fear...or because they have no where to go (especially if there children involved). Or due to lack of self esteem. I don't know the reasons and I don't want to know to be honest with you.

 

[wayword]

Lmao...krist, another one of those. See what happens when you give men too much time on sosuave.com with no contact with real women? They get frustrated and bitter. Men NEED to get off the internet or they are DESTINED to end up OLD, ALONE and FAILED in life, love & family.

What anoter fat, bald, old sexually frustrated dork with nothing better to do than cry out for the attention of a woman on a message board.

:crackup:

Nice try, too bad you're well off the mark... Quite the contrary - I have my shyt (health & wealth) together and enjoy my life (including my full head of hair and same weight as high school). Certainly, I'm not an obese divorcee loser with 4 kids who dates convicts and hasn't had sex in 5 years. LMGFAO!

I also love how you told me to get off the internet when you have nearly 8000 posts compared to my <600! Krist you stupid f'n hypocritical women kill me!!!! :crackup:

How To Ensure You'll Be Alone, Ugly and Bytchy by the time you reach 50

I see that Feminists are those angry middle-aged women you meet who have no husband - he left because she was such a bytch and treated him like dirt for all of their marriage. These women never grew out of their selfish pursuit of feminism. They have only themselves (and the feminist movement) to blame. This is why they form women's groups - they need to stick together. These women dress ugly, are angry and mean, bash and blame men for everything wrong with their lives, scowl most of the time, are usually overweight, frumpy and don't take care of themselves. And worst of all, they live alone or allow their adult children to live with them. My neighborhood is full of them.

But you're only 38? Well...sounds like you got a GREAT HEADSTART on all this, then!!! What a go-getter! :cheer: :crackup:

Who is the father of your fourth child? And if he was so "terrible"...why did you choose to have THREE kids with him?

Lmao - EXACTLY! Again, say one thing, but do ANOTHER! And THAT, my friends, is why you should IGNORE anything that comes out of a woman's (particularly Wyldfire's) mouth!!!

 

[Phyzzle]

My pet peeve is when people say the same thing using different words, think that they disagree, and start arguing.

I know a LOT of decent, nice, great men raising another man's kids. There is nothing wrong with that. But, I'm NOT that man

So you don't like X? How can you guys argue about your personal likes and dislikes? LOL!

My REAL issue is that she has this Laundry List of the type of man she wants. And she is a clear example of the mentallity of many many women out there.

Once again, she wants X. That doesn't mean she deserves X or is going to get it. She has accepted the fact that she may be alone the rest of her life.

There is no point in even mentioning eachother's laundry list of likes. I think the whole source of your anger is:

Lot of women sleep around, have children out of wedlock, suck several cucks, cheat...and then blame that to the "wild years". Then they settle down and want a man that take care of them as they (women) age. I say...people should pay the price.

Ah, that's the crux. JUSTICE! These women have made their mistakes, and now they deserve to be passed up by all but the most desperate men!

After all, if women "get away" with being single mommies, if they are accepted instead of shunned, then MORE women with be single mommies!

Latinoman, would you say that's a huge reason you advise guys against the single mom?

 

[Phyzzle]

Society for CENTURIES has seen men different than women. You cannot change overnight those things (although, feminist movement is trying very hard).

If a woman engaged in a bang gang (e.g. 3+ men having sex with her in a group) 15 years ago. She would probably never go that low again. However, she already reached a level of sexual behavior that when put into a hurdle (with her man), she could potentially do something considered "lesser"...such as cheating. After all, that is not as "bad" (in her mind) as having group sex. After all...she ignored society and values and did something she was taught (as a woman) not to do.

A good point, but feminism has recently won out, I think. When a woman has a child, that means she is willing to fornicate, that is, have sex outside of marriage. Or to divorce.

Neither has any social stigma attatched to it anymore.

A woman's willingness for pre-marital sex does not make her likely to be immoral, untrustworthy, or a hibernating slut. Women can be straight-laced as far as societal values, and still end up as a single mom.

Basically, the existence of a kid is a very foggy way to judge morals.

Of course, the existence of a kid by itself is a source of annoyance. All morals aside.

 

[Latinoman]

This most be a language barrier thing.

Dude, you are misunderstanding and even changing what I'm writing.

Let me ONCE again explain.

A woman's willingness for pre-marital sex does not make her likely to be immoral, untrustworthy, or a hibernating slut.

I agree 100%. In fact, I would not be with a woman (nor consider that woman for marriage) unless I'm having sex with her. I strongly believe in pre-marital sex. But I believe a clear way of reading the "worth" of a man or a woman is by understanding who they are sleeping with. An extreme example (maybe you can understand) if a woman had 15 partners in her life (e.g. she is 50) and she was VERY SELECTIVE...I rather be with that woman than one that had had 4 partners and three of them were via a gang-bang while cheating on the first one.

However, a woman that sleeps around...goes into a gang-bang...cheats...has some serious morality issues. That woman, can easily go back and do something, perhaps not as bad (e.g. instead of group sex, she might simply cheat with a co-worker), but bad nevertheless easier than a woman that has maintain a higher moral standard.

And due to societal stigma...a woman that is willing to sleep around, gang-bang, cheat is one that has reached a very low level (e.g. does not care anymore about how others view her values). Would she go back there again? The likelihood of doing that is greater than that of a woman that has never done it.

In fact, once that line is crossed...it can be crossed again.

Women can be straight-laced as far as societal values, and still end up as a single mom.

Of course!

My mother did!

Now...once again...

There are single mothers (e.g. women that have children out of wedlock) and there are divorcees with children (e.g. women that had children while marry).

Rollo Tomassi wrote a great post about the single mother phenomenom (e.g. women that pick the alpha male to breed and the "good guy" to raise the child).

Basically, the existence of a kid is a very foggy way to judge morals.

Jesus Christ! Who is judging morals based on having a child? The fact that she a woman has two jobs, raising a child, without a father is HONORABLE in my opinion! My mother was one! And she had very high values.

The point that I'm trying to make (and you are obviously missing) is that putting the value issue aside (assuming she is a saint with a child)...there is another issue you must deal with: RAISING THAT CHILD.

And my friend...you will never be her number one priority. Because her child (which is not your child) will always be her number one priority. You will have a responsibility too for that child...especially if you marry her or move in with her.

Now...if you are a DJ (a TRUE DJ) with options...what would you rather have? What would you rather do? Would you sacrifice somethings for others? What?

 

[Phyzzle]

I notice you are directing all your remarks to ME.
In essense, you are acting like her savior.

Yeah, because you started it (Her first post was some random, tame observation)

This most be a language barrier thing.

I think it's a long azz post thing. You've got to cut those down to size!

You will never be her number one priority. Because her child (which is not your child) will always be her number one priority.

Okay. It only took one sentence to say that.

You should not have mentioned all this distracting stuff about cheating, gang bangs, hibernating, or how "people should pay the price". It's hard to see what you meant. All that stuff is quite a stretch from finding out a woman has kids.

A post should be like a woman's skirt, long enough to cover the subject, but short enough to be interesting.