Juggler downloads

[jive]

Found these the other day, thought some of you would be interested.

http://www.charismasciences.com/passport/jugglertalk.wmv
Juggler recently spoke at the Chicago book signing for Neil Strauss' New York Times bestseller "The Game." Watch Neil introduce him, and hear about a funny anecdote from one of our past workshops.


http://www.charismasciences.com/passport/podcasts/index.html
Podcasts
:: Episode 3 - John interviews Wayne about his thoughts on Neil Strauss's new book, "The Game," the chapter that Wayne wrote in it, and some stories about his experiences with Neil.

:: Episode 2 - Wayne and John talk about building a social circle, overcoming some deep, dark fears, and having fun in groups.

:: Episode 1 - Wayne and Johnny discuss natural game, how to really have fun with women, and disqualification.

 

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[spider_007]

what comunity (forum) did those two post in back then??
(Last audio post)


That's it, i'm buying Neals book.

 

[h2o]

I was just searching to see if anyone else had discovered Juggler's stuff (as I recently did), and it I guess I missed this thread. A friend of mine who's part of the local lair here, who I discuss game with...he knows I have natural game, so he recommended it to me...thanks to him, I've found that...

Juggler's stuff is exactly what you should read if you are into being yourself, and just like some extra arsenal to your interactions with women.

anyway, i'm just BUMPING this to get Juggler on everyone's radar.

if you think you have great social skills, interact/flirt well with girls, and are good just being yourself, this is a great extra to your natural game.

I don't agree with everything, but overall, his perspective is pretty congruent with mine.

I don't even know why it's referred to as a "method," because it's not really a method...

read up on his archives here:
http://www.charismasciences.com/passport/compiled.html

 

[Oxide]

I was waiting to bring up Juggler myself. I have been reading his stuff for about a month now, and, honestly, this has always been the way i imagined picking up women should be. This is perfect style for me, becuase the emhpasis is on me, not on playing magic tricks for bratty girls.

I will make a more organized post with examples once i get enough reactions. So far, one tip - READ that file. Download and listen to the tapes, and read the blog. Decide if this is for you, because this isnt for everyone. If you do not believe being yourself will pull girls (i.e. you dont feel you have enough to bring to the table) then go somewhere else, go to mystery... but IF, and ONLY IF, you see yourself when reading this stuff. You are congruent and calibrated to use this method, and YOU GO AND PRACTICE THINGS YOU ARE ADVISED, then i am all about discussing this more. Honestly, i think i found my way, after 3 years of rambling around.

 

[Ricky]

Good stuff

 

[kenypowa]

Originally posted by Oxide
I was waiting to bring up Juggler myself. I have been reading his stuff for about a month now, and, honestly, this has always been the way i imagined picking up women should be. This is perfect style for me, becuase the emhpasis is on me, not on playing magic tricks for bratty girls.

long time lurker, first time poster here!


I stumbled across Juggler's website several days ago. I was fascinated by his archive and the pod-casts. Also, in "The Game", juggler's part is a very intriguing read. Then i bought his ebook for $40 and finshed reading it in 2 days. Wow, what can i say. Syle summed up perfectly that juggler is a master conversationist, not just a MPUA. Anyway, like Oxide, i have found that this "method" is for me. :cheer:

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by Oxide

yes, Juggler is my daddy

yeah, i read his .pdf the other night and realized that about 30-40% of it i already do without having thought of it. of course, i'm going to apply in the field, then read over, and repeat that cycle many times in order to truly learn the approach structures, etc.

the other stuff, such as group dynamics and the 90/10 rule, having a basic approach structure, etc are great tips/advice that will come in handy.

i will also put his method to extensive practice...i'll be doing a big 600 approaches in the next couple of months and afterwards i'll also post a lengthy review.

i think juggler's perspective/style is very similar to mine. he seems like a really chill guy to meet in person someday.

 

[kenypowa]

Originally posted by h2o
yes, Juggler is my daddy

yeah, i read his .pdf the other night and realized that about 30-40% of it i already do without having thought of it. of course, i'm going to apply in the field, then read over, and repeat that cycle many times in order to truly learn the approach structures, etc.

the other stuff, such as group dynamics and the 90/10 rule, having a basic approach structure, etc are great tips/advice that will come in handy.

Just to let you know that they no longer recomment the 90/10 rules. Also, don't cold approach just for approach's sake.

 

[Oxide]

I wholeheartedly agree that approaching just for cold approach sake is not benficial. When you approach, try to walk away with something USEFUL and NEW. For example, one of my favourite things to ask girls is "What kind of girls do you think i attract? What kind am i attracted to?" It is fun and makes you realize how people view you... you will be surprised.

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by kenypowa
Also, don't cold approach just for approach's sake.

as for the 90/10 rule, it is a good expectation to go in with when you approach...don't expect 50/50 conversation from the girl. so far, from the past 3-4 approaches i've gone in with this in mind, i think it's a great thing to keep in mind.

Originally posted by Oxide
I wholeheartedly agree that approaching just for cold approach sake is not benficial. When you approach, try to walk away with something USEFUL and NEW. For example, one of my favourite things to ask girls is "What kind of girls do you think i attract? What kind am i attracted to?" It is fun and makes you realize how people view you... you will be surprised.

of course i'm not cold approaching just for cold approach sakes...i'm working on improving my skills, as would be good for everyone. i'm currently implementing more of this whole make more statements, less questions advice from the pdf. but also, once you do a lot of new things and realize what works, you just need to keep putting those things to practice and developing a concrete structure/style so you can be uber good at pick-ups. heck, i heard tyler durden did 3000 approaches, and 007 posted once that he's done over 1000. practice makes perfect y'all.

hmm...those questions seem interesting, I'll ask those when I sarge tomorrow.

 

[Lost]

Hey guys. I've got questions about Juggler method for those in the know. I've read his archive and ebook by the way.

First, the overall structure.
He doesn't seem to really outline it anywhere.
He says:
Open (1 minute)
Set a mood or entertain (10 minutes)
Qualify/ EV (5 minutes)
Close

Ok, what the hell. Only 16 minutes till close? Something is missing in this picture.

Also, theres a ****load more involved.

Opening: He says what you use doesn't matter. So if I used a situational opener that didn't have anything to do with me, that wouldn't matter right? But you want to eventually get the topic on you?

SMILE: Ok, I asked someone, but i'm getting confused here. He told me not to smile until i've gotten her name. But In Juggler's ebook he says not to smile after you make eye contact, but I think before. Like you should already have a smile before you even see the chick. Correct?

What about SOI's ? Are SOI part of Qualify phase? Then what is Qualify? Isn't that where you say like "not only are you sexy, but you are also a good conversationalist" or whatever?

What all is in attraction. I guess set a mood means attraction. I know he had a checklist of things you have to have done before you close, but thats not necessarily the attraction phase. (1. She must be curious. 2. She must kino you. 3. She must be accepting your commands. 4. Direct her imagination( IS THIS TH SOI?) 5. Reveal your values and have them accepted by her 6. She must know about the place your gonna have sex) ??

Storytelling: He says to use boring REAL LIFE stories and make them exciting through hooks and pauses. I'm not sure how you can make a story about **** you do everyday exciting just by adding a hook/pause though?

Make broad assumptions: ?? I've seen examples, but how does this work? I mean do you have to know something before hand?

Making Statements: So if you use this, how do you bring up new topics in conversation. DO you just go "so thats what happened with my dog. I really like rock music. especially metallica" <--?? as opposed to "so thats what happened with my dog. ... hey, do you like music" ??

 

[h2o]

I found Juggler's material to be a good fit because I already have pretty good conversational skills, and I'm not really going to be using it as a "method." In fact, the only things I'm dissecting from it are the whole SOI thing, and making more statements and stories, rather than asking too many questions.

I know you want to use this method, but it really is not meant for everyone. I think you need to have some basic things down before you can jump into it. It is more of a "natural" style because you should already "naturally" have most of it down.

Juggler is really not a pick-up artist. He is simply an ordinary man with great conversational skills, and particularly has honed his interactions with women. What he gives are simple tips and advice, and hence, like you say, it should not be memorized or as I say, treated as a "method." In other words, if you are using a "method" to be natural, it is no longer natural...it's a contradiction.

Now, this is just my opinion because I think you are over-analyzing some of the things. But, let me answer some of those questions.

The structure is just a rough outline. As in, your opener shouldn't be too long, then you build rapport, then you close.

Originally posted by Lost
Opening: He says what you use doesn't matter. So if I used a situational opener that didn't have anything to do with me, that wouldn't matter right? But you want to eventually get the topic on you?

Yeah, this should not be that difficult if you have some basic social skills down...

Let's say you're at the library ...since that's where I talk to most girls

You open with anything...like, "hey, that guy over there laughs like a girl...listen" lol, I'm serious, it doens't matter.

Forget the whole when to smile or not...it's supposed to be natural...smile when you feel like it. Don't suppress yourself and just let go. I personally usually make eyecontact, and if it's extended eyecontact, she'll smile first. You can tell if someone fakes a smile, but if it's natural, I'll reciprocate. You should be socializing on a regular basis, so smiling should come naturally.

Qualifying is basically you playing 'hard-to-get" ...don't give her everything right off the bat.

Now, I haven't really been using the whole SOI thing yet, and I could explain it, but I'd rather not because I want to try to tell someone else how it is or not.

Originally posted by Lost
Storytelling: He says to use boring REAL LIFE stories and make them exciting through hooks and pauses. I'm not sure how you can make a story about **** you do everyday exciting just by adding a hook/pause though?

Making Statements: So if you use this, how do you bring up new topics in conversation. DO you just go "so thats what happened with my dog. I really like rock music. especially metallica" <--?? as opposed to "so thats what happened with my dog. ... hey, do you like music" ??

This is the advice I like from Juggler. He's bascially saying, lead the conversation. Guys who talk a lot get laid a lot, remember that. That doesn't mean don't ask questions, but hook her with your conversation.

The reason he says make stories about your own life is because he wants you to believe your life is interesting enough to attract women. Be yourself, that's his whole point. See the funny and interesting in everyday experiences. I personally laugh a freaking lot during an ordinary day. So, it's pretty easy to retell one of the things that happens, or even, retell something bad or unusual that happened, but make fun of it. You have to truly be interested in your own life, and share it with her, and hence the whole bring her into your world, not you into hers.

I think for you, the best thing would be to re-assess yourself a bit, work on your conversational and interaction skills, and then when you have developed some basic skills, then jump into Juggler's method.

Let me say this. My friend who's in the local lair showed me Juggler method, and he uses various materials, but he's more into canned stuff. When I told him that Juggler's tips and advice is well in sync with my style, he said it's really advanced for him, and that Juggler's method is the level he eventually wants to be at. This guy studies game, methods, and techniques for hours a day. If anyone knows "game," it's him. My point is, Juggler is not about "game" ...it's about being being yourself. Forget all the details, and just take a few notes here and there, don't read too much into it.

Good luck. (and read my sig)


btw, did y'all do approaches while wearing the brown monk robes? that's peacocking at it's finest, lol.

anyway, looking forward to seeing those vids.

 

[Lost]

Well, I imagine he tells you all the stuff to do in his book so you can become like that. Why would he make a book of information if he didn't want people to use it?
Like, the way I see it, like you said, Juggler is a good conversationalist, especially with women. So I can go into sarges, and work on things that HE talks about, so I can become good like him. Otherwise, whats the point in having any seduction community and information?

 

[Oxide]

hahahahahahha Ahahahahahhahahahahah Wow Lost, holly buckets brother, you surely do think a lot!

Seriously, why are disecting everything again. If there is one thing i dont want to disect it is juggler. let's just read it and enjoy it, like a good book.


Let me give you an example.

I am at the hair salon. A cute brunette walks in after me.
There is a wait, so i sit down in a chair and start spinning. she sits next to me, and i say "You should spin with me..."

she starts spinning.
I say - "I think im going to go bold this time, just shave it all off!"
she smiles and says.... nothing.

I smile and say - "OK, I will go bold if you go bold!"
-No i love my hair!" - she replys

- But it always gets in the way when you make out with guys! - i say

I continue with a STATEMENT (this could bea question, but i had to change it) - "You look like a junior"

- Oh wow, that is amazing you got it, nobody ever thinks im that old.

Me - it's ok, i like younger girls.. like kindergarden or so...
She laughs.

Erm.. i dont even know what you want me to post. Honestly, here is the basic stuff that i've been using for about 3 weeks and it has helped:

STATEMENTS instead of questions.

"Where do you go to school?" ---> You don't look like you go here.
"What grade are you in?" -----> you look like a freshman
"Do you have a boyfriend?" -----> I would have to guess you are single.

"What do you do for fun?" ----> Tell me something interesting/.fun about yourself.

Got it? some questions are hard to phrase but work on it.



TALKING ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THINGS, and NOT things themselves.

Her- "I love puppies". DO NOT SAY "puppies are cool", say "I used to have a puppy, he had huge ears and funny paws. Now he is 70 lbs and eats my food"

Her - " I hate Mcdonalds" - "I used to eat there until that "Supersize me" movie came out, now i am terrified of the nuggets!"




HOT WOMEN are NOT above you. They are ACTING like it, so you want to bring them down from the clouds by being REAL and genuine. Talk to them about normal things, like drinking/partying/your laundry. she will reveal herself.


ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask her if she is taken. Then move on and go for it. Use the SOI (sign of interest ) - meaning LET HER KNOW YOU ARE INTERESTED . She isnt gonna move unless she knows you like her (unless she is a slut )

BUT THE KEY IS, you HAVe to show her you are interested NOT in her looks but something that is UNIQUE about her. Trust me guys, i fvcked up on this many times before telling girls "I think you are very cool " Why? - cause you look sexy . BSZZZT. WRONG.

Say - "haha, You know, i think not only you are sexy/attractive but you have a great sense of humor / have a great outlook on life / love things i do / have things in common!"

I met a girl 2 days ago, i swear everything she listed was realted to me. Everything we talked about we had in common. It was scary, i flat out asked her if she was a witch after 10 MINUTES of meeting her, she was IN MY CAR making out with me. RELATE OT THE WOMEN you unsensitive loafs.


Be human, be genuine. You will realize that you are at the mercy of a woman at times becuase you put yourself out there, but so what, if she accepts your style the connection will be great.

Ask women what kind of women she thinks you are into, ask her for help/tips. WE ARE SURROUNDED by robots. We wear masks, we hide our true emotions, LETS ALL BE REAL for once. Enough of fluff, go and get to know that cute girl.

 

[kenypowa]

oxide is the expert...listen to every word he says