Japan railed by 8.9 Earthquake and later Tsunami 3/10/11

[Alle_Gory]

You bash capitalism and property rights every chance you get. You have some serious issues.

I bash fraud and corruption which is hidden under the guise of capitalism. It's funny that you mention property rights because I have no idea what you're talking about. Please post specifics instead of bullsh*t so we can have a discussion.

Instead of jabbing at the process that makes everyone rich, why don't you spend some time getting rich yourself?

And you think I'm not doing this? You're reading into things too much.

 

[Alle_Gory]

An example would be your disdain for people like Michael Dell who I referenced in the Heroes thread that was deleted.

I have no disdain for Michael Dell, I just don't think he's doing anything revolutionary or heroic enough to be considered a hero. He sounds like a good guy because he managed to build a decent company and he's involved in philanthropic work.

Good man, but no hero.

What was the point of your original post here bashing capitalism then?

I made a sarcastic comment about the situation in California. One of the issues they're facing is crap building construction thanks to lax building codes. When an earthquake will hit California the destruction will be significant unlike Japan which has heavily enforced building standards. And for good reason as you see.

 

[Alle_Gory]

No, you made an attack on the free-market (aka capitalism) using this quote....

You and I both know that with subsidies, bailouts, government grants, and of course anti trust regulations to reduce monopolization, there is no such thing as a free market in the United States.

Of course if you *did* have a free market that would be a breeding ground for monopolies (we all know how they like to play fair). Think big fish eating little fish in the pond. Suddenly, your *free* market turns into a few monopolies fighting each other and swallowing up smaller companies by any means necessary meanwhile exerting as much control as possible over everyone else to grow and consume everything in sight. Remember AT&T in the 80s? There's a reason it was broken up into smaller companies. AT&T grew out of control.

A free market cannot exist. Prove me wrong. If you can.

 

[Rogue]

Drdeee:
As far as red cross goes, do not give them your money, they love to steal. After 9/11 American Red Cross collected $564 million, and only $154 were ever distributed. After 1989 San Francisco quake Red Cross passed on only $10 million of the $50 million that have been raised.... Don't let yourself be taken advantage of by crooks disguised under humanitarian umbrella.

I donated my $10.

According to the Red Cross, when donations for a specific disaster exceed the amount deemed necessary for disaster relief, the leftover funds are placed in the general fund for other disasters. That may sound sinister but the Red Cross has no control over how many donations they receive and it's impossible to tally up exactly how much money will be needed to provide relief for a specific disaster, each unique in magnitude and scope, until afterwards in retrospective hindsight. It should also be remembered that every charity has program, administrative, and fundraising expenses, and awarding 20% of donations to the intended cause would be rather charitable in comparison to 5-10% of most charities. According to CharityNavigator.org, the Red Cross has an efficiency rating of $0.17 per dollar and, in addition to domestic disaster relief, it "offers compassionate services in five other areas: community services that help the needy; support and comfort for military members and their families; the collection, processing and distribution of lifesaving blood and blood products; educational programs that promote health and safety; and international relief and development programs." Your suggestion of "if you still want to donate you better dig and find a Japanese organization that accepts donations for this cause" sounds nice except those Japanese charities would probably have the same low conversion rate, due to expenses inherent to charities.

Is this nature or the demons playing haarp again? That's the question.

Your question has about the same correspondence to reality as Charlie Sheen being from a different terrestrial realm.

 

[Marvin Gaye]

High Frequency Active Auroral Reasearch Program

HAARP

Haiti/Chile EarthQuake H.A.A.R.P 2010

What do textonic plates in the Earth have to do with the Ionosphere. I've tried to research but these conspiracy videos only shoot back their paranoia, can you enlighten me F283000? I'm just not getting it.

 

[powpow]

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[bukowski_merit]

What do textonic plates in the Earth have to do with the Ionosphere. I've tried to research but these conspiracy videos only shoot back their paranoia, can you enlighten me F283000? I'm just not getting it.

I have a very open mind, which enables me to listen to most conspiracy theories with an open mind and consider the possibility they may be true. The "official" story given to us by "officials" is no more likely to ring true to me than the unofficial story handed out by raving mad conspiracy reporters. The fact is - im a skeptic, but unlike most people who pick a side - im a skeptic of both the government and of the conspiracy theorists.

At the same time - i don't like the URGENT way in which conspiracy theories are presented. It's shock and awe mixed with panic. EVERY major event has some kind of secret society, banker elite, military branch, shadow government, or CIA, etc behind it (according to conspiracy theorists after EVERYTHING bad happens to the world.) I liken it to the same way Fox News flips everything to be a Liberal conspiracy; that gets boring after a while, unless you're a conservative; just like conspiracies get boring after a while, unless you're a conspiracy theorists.

Now... HARRP gets blamed for every major earthquake over the last few years or so...

Here's a video explaining what "they" believe is happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HemEtatRBhA

The one i found most intriguing in all this was the guy who said he did radio tomography using 30 watts, and it caused small vibrations in the ground. He goes on to say that HAARP is capable of transmitting A BILLION watts. If it is, and if what the first guy is talking about in the 1st video is possible - im not sure.

But you asked for it, so there's what "they" think.... here's more:

This video is a lot like the one above except the guy comes off as a lot more crazy, but it also contains footage of the colors in the sky that seem to appear before a lot of earthquakes lately, also explains why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc

This guy comes off a little crazy too (i guess paranoia does that), however he monitors HAARPS activities, and he's been predicting this was going to happen since last month, he even says that the last time HAARP was acting this crazy was right before the quake in HAITTI. http://www.youtube.com/user/Italianlad69 is his channel.

Now again, im not saying i 100% believe this stuff; or that i think Japan was hit by HAARP (im not going to pretend to know.) But just presenting it for you guys to look at (even though real skeptics won't even look at this stuff.) In fact - if you make me pick a side in all this - im going with nature causing this. But it's not inconceivable to me that other theories could be right.

 

[Rogue]

bukowski_merit:
I have a very open mind, which enables me to listen to most conspiracy theories with an open mind and consider the possibility they may be true.

"Keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out."

The one i found most intriguing in all this was the guy who said he did radio tomography using 30 watts, and it caused small vibrations in the ground. He goes on to say that HAARP is capable of transmitting A BILLION watts.

Don't listen to kooks. That is simply not true. HAARP's total transmitter power is 3,600 kilowatts, which is approximately 75 times more power than a radio station. While 3,600 kilowatts is 3.6 million watts, it is orders of magnitude less powerful than a billion and is the proverbial small drop in the bucket compared to solar energies which traverse the atmosphere every day.

Conspiracy theorists paint HAARP as a secret clandestine project but the truth is HAARP is open to the public. On occasion they give open house tours to the general public (in which the public is encouraged to ask questions to their resident experts) and the most recent open house was July 2010. The silly video clip from Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" which shows him being denied access was obviously a trumped up visit by Ventura during their off-season to portray HAARP as some super seKret facility, or he's such a blazing moronic idiot that he didn't call ahead to know when they give open house. And why would HAARP be secret if they have a website which thoroughly explains everything they do?

The fact is there are kooks on practically every subject and their propensity to deceptively or ignorantly lie through their teeth with exaggerations and fabrications knows no bounds. The Internet is not the final arbitrator of reality.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Don't listen to kooks.

I find the government and media to be just as big of "kooks" as these guys... They're just a little more polished when putting on their circus act...

That is simply not true. HAARP's total transmitter power is 3,600 kilowatts,

I'm aware of it's official killowatts; but those who believe this forcefully claim haarp has developed some kind of way to increase (i think the guy in the first video explains why, although someone in the comments says it's not possible; but i will not pretend to know 100% (like 99% of this world) when i know very little (like 99% of the world))....

Conspiracy theorists paint HAARP as a secret clandestine project but the truth is HAARP is open to the public. They give open house tours to the general public (in which the public is encouraged to ask questions to their resident experts) and the most recent open house was July 2010. The silly video clip from Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" which shows him being denied access was obviously a trumped up visit by Ventura during their off-season to portray HAARP as some super secret facility, or he's such a blazing moronic idiot that he didn't call ahead to know when they give open house.

Ventura wasn't let in because it's HIM and that's what he wants! I'm not a fan of his show, it's goofy the way he "acts" on scenes when it's obvious he's not talking to someone on the phone, etc. Like how in the JFK episode - he meant some guy on a bridge.... Like if the guy had people following him - they wouldn't notice a man on a bridge with a whole camera crew around him? Ventura WANTS to be denied access to things, and wants to get in confrontations with security forces, because it makes for good tv. I'm not an Alex Jones fanboy either for other reasons (based on what i said in my first post - i think you can figure out why).

And why would HAARP be secret if they have a website which thoroughly explains everything they do?

If they were doing experiments with weather manipulation - why would they include that on their site? Can you imagine the uproar from the rest of the world? Does the CIA include all the dirt they do on their site? No, they try to act like they're just information gatherers... I don't fault them for that, because why would they put their dirt on their site?

At 6:59 of this video the guy even says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc

"application discussed in the patents... included destroying missiles, communications control and disruption were included... there were some other ideas, both to... possibly modify weather, and finally to lift a portion of the upper atmosphere further out into space where hopefully it would be able to deflect missile trajectories."

Now if HAARP can do any of those things - why in the world would they list it on their website?

 

[user43770]

I like Japan, but I'm not donating sh1t. I'm not going to pretend like I care so that I can post it on my facebook and show everyone that I'm a humanitarian. I'm not. It's a dog eat dog world and I love it.

And Alle Gory is a whining little sh1t.

 

[Rogue]

bukowski_merit:
I'm aware of it's official killowatts; but those who believe this forcefully claim haarp has developed some kind of way to increase (i think the guy in the first video explains why, although someone in the comments says it's not possible; but i will not pretend to know 100% (like 99% of this world) when i know very little (like 99% of the world))…

Your inadequate grammar skills are causing a failure to communicate. WTF is that sentence? Those who believe, what—the official kilowatts? And develop some kind of way to increase… what? You should also have placed a period in the middle of your run-on sentence. I'm not being some Grammar Nazi but it genuinely took me a minute to grasp what you were saying.

You're also committing the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance and a misplaced burden of proof. You're basically doing "He said, She said" journalism, which is not quite how rational thinking works. Rational thinking involves applying logic and reason. We can take HAARP at its official word of 3,600 kilowatts and the burden of proof rests upon the kooks to prove their outlandish claims, of which Youtube videos and words on conspiratorial websites are merely hearsay.

Weather manipulation is physically impossible with the available amount of energy. Nikola Tesla certainly had concocted the idea of shooting energy into the atmosphere to manipulate the weather, but for all his grand ideas he almost never wrote his ideas down onto a piece of paper to do the math of practicality. (And yes, I once read his entire autobiography. He claimed to be so sensitive that he could feel a fly in another room and hear a train from 30 miles away, or something like that.) The necessary amount of energy to affect the weather far exceeds our capabilities. You would probably need equally if not magnitudes more energy than the Large Hadron Collider and HAARP is no LHC. Natural events such as earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes are all naturally occurring and supposing the alternate possibility of weather manipulation is unsubstantiated imaginative speculation. Thus, the question "If they were doing experiments with weather manipulation - why would they include that on their site?" is downright silly, as much as "If the Large Hadron Collider was creating blackholes which can swallow the Earth, why would they include that on their website?"

I don't believe you're a skeptic. I don't believe anyone who says they are a skeptic. Too often the “true believers” will portray themselves as a skeptic as a ruse and then proceed to present arguments for their belief. I only believe someone as a “skeptic” when their actions have consistently proven their critical thinking skills are sharp, when their actions have proven they hold the proper philosophies of reason and science, because anyone can hit the lottery and randomly just happen to take the correct stance on an issue. Skepticism is a methodology rather than a position on an issue and so, even then, being a skeptic is not an identity but rather issue per issue. Your response to my post illustrates to me that you may be a believer on this issue, maybe not on the Japanese earthquake but the issue abroad.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I'm not being some Grammar Nazi but it genuinely took me a minute to grasp what you were saying.

No, you are being a grammer nazy. and im a beat poet (we don't mix well) what most of your post is about is displaying your intelligence.... this is a biggest c@ck contest to you.... i get that... champ.

We can take HAARP at its official word

No, YOU can!

Weather manipulation is physically impossible with the available amount of energy. Nikola Tesla certainly had concocted the idea of shooting energy into the atmosphere to manipulate the weather, but for all his grand ideas he almost never wrote his ideas down onto a piece of paper to do the math of practicality. (And yes, I once read his entire autobiography. He claimed to be so sensitive that he could feel a fly in another room and hear a train from 30 miles away, or something like that.) The necessary amount of energy to affect the weather far exceeds our capabilities. You would probably need equally if not magnitudes more energy than the Large Hadron Collider and HAARP is no LHC. Weather events such as earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes are all naturally occurring and supposing the alternate possibility of weather manipulation is unsubstantiated imaginative speculation. Thus, the question "If they were doing experiments with weather manipulation - why would they include that on their site?" is downright silly.

It's more silly to act like you know it all........ i get it man... you have the bigger c@ck.... great! put it to use in a woman, not on me!

My question was posed after you said everything they do is on their website. all my question was asking was if you think sites run by the government REALLY list everything that they do?

And if they did develop a way to manipulate the weather - why would they reveal that?

forgive stupid me for being silly.... my high horse died a few years ago or i'd ride with you

I don't believe you're a skeptic. I don't believe anyone who says they are a skeptic.

You don't believe anyone is a skeptic? So....... you aren't a skeptic?

When i said i was a skeptic, i followed it with being a skeptic of both the official and unofficial story. I do do limited research into things, but often just get bored with it and walk away before it ventures into real work....

often i walk away with NO concrete opinion on what i believe... I do not need a conclusion. I do not need closure. It's too much to figure out... and im ok with that.

i will not have oneitis over if HAARP can change weather or not.... promise!

Too often the “true believers” will portray themselves as a skeptic as a ruse and then proceed to present arguments for their belief.

I DO NOT know that HAARP can change weather. I DO NOT know if it can cause earthquakes. I would not claim to know these things, because i do not know these things. None of these guys on youtube know it, and you do not know it. and i do not like green eggs and ham...

Your response to my post illustrates to me that you are a believer on this issue, maybe not on the Japanese earthquake but the issue abroad.

Oh..... i thought we were talking about the Japanese earthquake here.... my b b....

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Now: I wanted to figure out who that guy who talked about the patent was because i wanted to figure out if what he said held water.... I couldn't find any info on who he was, but i did decide to check the original patent of HAARP.

Here it is: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605

Honestly, i didn't understand most of it, so i was getting bored with it. However, i decided to search teh document for, "weather" (simple word ftw!)... Here's the paragraph i found:

This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like. Transportation of entities can also be realized when advantage is taken of the drag effects caused by regions of the atmosphere moving up along diverging field lines. Small micron sized particles can be then transported, and, under certain circumstances and with the availability of sufficient energy, larger particles or objects could be similarly affected. Particles with desired characteristics such as tackiness, reflectivity, absorptivity, etc., can be transported for specific purposes or effects. For example, a plume of tacky particles could be established to increase the drag on a missile or satellite passing therethrough. Even plumes of plasma having substantially less charged particle density than described above will produce drag effects on missiles which will affect a lightweight (dummy) missile in a manner substantially different than a heavy (live) missile and this affect can be used to distinguish between the two types of missiles. A moving plume could also serve as a means for supplying a space station or for focusing vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth. Surveys of global scope could also be realized because the earth's natural magnetic field could be significantly altered in a controlled manner by plasma beta effects resulting in, for example, improved magnetotelluric surveys. Electromagnetic pulse defenses are also possible. The earth's magnetic field could be decreased or disrupted at appropriate altitudes to modify or eliminate the magnetic field in high Compton electron generation (e.g., from high altitude nuclear bursts) regions. High intensity, well controlled electrical fields can be provided in selected locations for various purposes. For example, the plasma sheath surrounding a missile or satellite could be used as a trigger for activating such a high intensity field to destroy the missile or satellite. Further, irregularities can be created in the ionosphere which will interfere with the normal operation of various types of radar, e.g., synthetic aperture radar. The present invention can also be used to create artificial belts of trapped particles which in turn can be studied to determine the stability of such parties. Still further, plumes in accordance with the present invention can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device. Thus it can be seen that the ramifications are numerous, far-reaching, and exceedingly varied in usefulness.

Now, im not going to sit here and pretend to know wtf they're talking about (that's all you bro bro)... i went to school for graphic design/marketing, (and took 1 science class.).. but i can (with my feeble mind) make sense of the first four words i have bolded there: "Weather modification is possible".

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On a more serious note:

Now, i just browsed through the 200+ pictures of this disaster that yahoo has on their website. and it made me realize how dumb it is to care about this. they're also now saying that it's 10k+ deaths, and yahoo even has some pictures of the dead. they could have been sitting there posting on a site like this minutes before their meant their demise.... that's reality..................... this discussion we're filling this thread with - is not!

so, i will not continue this discussion through the forums... i will read what you have to say (if you say anything), but will not respond... if you want to continue the discussion with me personally - pm me and i'll get to it. but i could really care less what you believe or think of me............

keep it classy gentlemen....

 

[Alle_Gory]

The one i found most intriguing in all this was the guy who said he did radio tomography using 30 watts, and it caused small vibrations in the ground. He goes on to say that HAARP is capable of transmitting A BILLION watts. If it is, and if what the first guy is talking about in the 1st video is possible - im not sure.

Where are they going to get a power station that can produce a billion watts in the middle of nowhere?

I'm aware of it's official killowatts; but those who believe this forcefully claim haarp has developed some kind of way to increase (i think the guy in the first video explains why, although someone in the comments says it's not possible; but i will not pretend to know 100% (like 99% of this world) when i know very little (like 99% of the world))....

The only way I could see this happen is with some kind of capacitor/battery bank. You run the power plant for a time until the capacitors/batteries are filled and then discharge them all at once. Unfortunately, they tend to discharge fast.


Let's suppose for the sake of argument that weather modifications in the upper atmosphere *could* happen. What does this have to do with plate tectonics?

I like Japan, but I'm not donating sh1t.

Nobody asked you to.

And Alle Gory is a whining little sh1t.

That's nice. Go blow yourself.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion.

 

[f283000]

Where are they going to get a power station that can produce a billion watts in the middle of nowhere?

Google is your friend. HAARP is in Alaska, here's a picture of it

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp4.jpg

 

[Rogue]

bukowski_merit:
You don't believe anyone is a skeptic? So....... you aren't a skeptic?

I said I don't believe when people merely say "Hey, I'm a skeptic." I believe proof in actions. I'm a skeptic of paranormal and pseudoscientific claims, consistently applying logic and reason to the claims, but there are many things which I do believe in, which I do think are reasonably justified with evidence. Pure skepticism is impossible, as there would come a point of being skeptical of one's skepticism, skeptical of being skeptical of their skepticism, and so forth.

Oh..... i thought we were talking about the Japanese earthquake here.... my b b….

The subtopic of HAARP emerged.

Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like. Transportation of entities can also be realized when advantage is taken of the drag effects caused by regions of the atmosphere moving up along diverging field lines.

The US Patent Office doesn't evaluate patents on their scientific claims and doesn't evaluate if an invention actually works as claimed (except for perpetual motion machines). The patent reviewers are bureaucrats, not scientists. Charlie Sheen could hypothetically be awarded a patent for an invention which transports him into World of Warcraft, even though it's physically impossible, if he made his descriptions so overly technically obfuscating with jargon that it flew over the head of the reviewer of what was actually being claimed, as inventions are generally not tested for operability. So, in itself, a patent description proves nothing.

Like HAARP states in its FAQ:

The HAARP facility will not affect the weather. Transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either the troposphere or the stratosphere - the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the earth's weather. Electromagnetic interactions only occur in the near-vacuum of the rarefied region above about 70 km known as the ionosphere.

The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can produce during a geomagnetic storm. If the ionospheric storms caused by the sun itself don't affect the surface weather, there is no chance that HAARP can do so either.

There is no convincing reason to conclude otherwise.

 

[user43770]

Nobody asked you to.

Sure they do. Every time I turn on the tv or get on the internet. It's unavoidable. "I donated $10, so should you!" I get it, you're a kind person who cares about humanity. Thanks for letting me know.

People love using disasters as a chance to draw attention to themselves.

That's nice. Go blow yourself.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion.

I said my piece about attention wh0res. Sorry for insulting you; it just seems that your posts are often negative and pretentious. You write a lot of good posts, though. Take care.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Google is your friend. HAARP is in Alaska, here's a picture of it
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp4.jpg

Yes I know what it looks like. Now do me a favor and point out the 1000MW power station.

Here's what a 1000MW power plant looks like: http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/10897/01_MW.jpg (South Pars 1,000MW power plant)

Pretty gigantic isn't it?

I said my piece about attention wh0res. Sorry for insulting you; it just seems that your posts are often negative and pretentious. You write a lot of good posts, though. Take care.

No problem. I apologize for telling you to go blow yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean by pretentious, but yes I have been fairly negative for awhile.

 

[Gears of Led Zep]

I'm waiting anxiously for a hot, young Geisha to wash up to my doorstep. I already have a towel and chopsticks ready...

hahaha good one.

 

[f283000]

Earthquake Weapons caused Japans Tsunami: Benjamin Fulford on The Vinny Eastwood Show

 

[Alle_Gory]

Earthquake Weapons caused Japans Tsunami: Benjamin Fulford on The Vinny Eastwood Show

You still haven't answered my question. Where is that massive power station located?

Weapons need power. Identify the power source for me, you know because you're so well informed and you understand how they work and everything.

Where is that giant powerplant located. The 1000MW one.