It's Time To Just Say It...

[MT3]

MT3...about Pook...go look up his Feminism on Trial thread and see who uses whose ideas and thoughts in their threads. I think you'll be quite surprised. HE used MY quotes as his argument against feminism.

WOW! What do you want a pat on the back? You must be a super special poster.
Maybe he used the because alot of use don't care about feminism and thusly have nothing to comment about it.

This is just pathetic. No wonder most experienced people leave this site, or just can't be bothered with being an active member here.
No doubt this topic will be closed and we'll have no solution again, for what.. the fifth time?

I'm going to make some alt accounts and concern troll. Don't fret mods I'll be on a proxy. But hey, I won't be breaking any rules! Will I? Isn't that right mods?

 

[djSlvt]

Enough of this garbage, I'm locking down this thread and banning everyone who participated.

 

[Wyldfire]

My advice is and has always been geared more towards LTRs. The fact that you assume that it is only "AFCs" who want me here is exactly why a lot of those guys won't post in this thread. I don't try to tear down men. I advise self-responsibility and give specific advice on how to resolve specific issues.

What is comical about this whole thread is that I've been called a feminist...which I'm not. I've been accused of being a troll...which I am not. I've been accused of being too harsh with my honesty. I've been accused of validating and coddling AFCs. None of these things are accurate. It is the same few people posting and reposting (and even creating new IDs to join in) making contradictory claims. Ironically...if you search the threads started by everyone posting in this thread for their entire history on this site you will most likely find that I have contributed FAR more useful tips than those making all these inaccurate claims about me.

 

[Wyldfire]

WOW! What do you want a pat on the back? You must be a super special poster.
Maybe he used the because alot of use don't care about feminism and thusly have nothing to comment about it.

This is just pathetic. No wonder most experienced people leave this site, or just can't be bothered with being an active member here.
No doubt this topic will be closed and we'll have no solution again, for what.. the fifth time?

I'm going to make some alt accounts and concern troll. Don't fret mods I'll be on a proxy. But hey, I won't be breaking any rules! Will I? Isn't that right mods?

Not a pat on the back...just for people to stop calling me a feminist or claiming that I rewrite things Pook writes. To be perfectly honest with you...I haven't even read much of Pooks stuff. I read SOME of Be A Man, the Feminism on Trial thread (because he quoted me in it) and a thread where he was slamming on the Harry Potter books trying to tie those in with feminism...which I thought was whack. If I'm saying things similar to what Pook said it's purely coincidence and means our views are similar.

 

[Wyldfire]

Wasn't blaming you. I think everybody just needs to chill out, both you and all of the flamers. I don't think that you should've been flamed as much as you have been, I just personally would've turned the other cheek.

Usually it takes repeated attacks on one thread before I swat back. The reason I was pissed over this issue was because a moderator blamed me for his choice to lock two threads where I was being attacked repeatedly and I did turn the other cheek repeatedly. In fact...one of the threads I actually reported the worst post that I really wanted to respond to harshly. Instead of deleting the post I reported the thread was locked. The other one I had not even responded at all and in that one I got blamed for the thread being locked over something stupid...because I made an honest comment about Brett Favre's tendency to whine when he gets hit playing football when someone else brought his name up.

I don't mind taking responsibility for something that actually IS my responsibility...but refuse to be blamed for the bad behavior of other people.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Wow, this thread is the on-line version of the Jerry Springer show!

Why gang up on Wyldfire when she is just here to help? If you don't agree with her, don't agree with her, but the personal attacks accomplish nothing. Nobody benefits.

 

[MT3]

Not a pat on the back...just for people to stop calling me a feminist or claiming that I rewrite things Pook writes. To be perfectly honest with you...I haven't even read much of Pooks stuff. I read SOME of Be A Man, the Feminism on Trial thread (because he quoted me in it) and a thread where he was slamming on the Harry Potter books trying to tie those in with feminism...which I thought was whack. If I'm saying things similar to what Pook said it's purely coincidence and means our views are similar.

Whatever Wyldfire, you always try and convince yourself you are right by ignoring the over whelming evidence and reason contradicting your arguments. All your post is a simple denial of what has been previously said in this thread and others. All your arguments (if I can stretch the definition of argument to include your rambling) are ad nauseam and I can't be bothered, I've been banned for it once already.

I'm going to go and decide weather it is worth saying here in spite of the piss poor moderation, Wyldfire and lack of forum structure.

Yes Wyldfire, I'm backing out of the argument. Enjoy your victory.

 

[blueguy]

okay you may think your advice is great, but don't ever, ever, ever tell a 29 year old guy that it is okay to date a fukking 42 year old woman with kids... I mean geez, I would be pissed if I followed that advice not knowing the consequences beforehand. Luckily, there are other people here to point out the flaws in even considering something like that. The point that needed to be made there is that he should keep thinking positively and improving himself... not entirely giving up on life by going straight to hell by burying himself in 2 tons of baggage.

And I don't know much about you either, but as has been said before, you keep digging yourself in to be ridiculed by the way you defend yourself. Anti dj. Why not just post on another forum where your advice would be less controversial instead of putting up with this sh!t? Where's your self-respect?

 

[WestCoaster]

okay you may think your advice is great, but don't ever, ever, ever tell a 29 year old guy that it is okay to date a fukking 42 year old woman with kids... I mean geez, I would be pissed if I followed that advice not knowing the consequences beforehand. Luckily, there are other people here to point out the flaws in even considering something like that. The point that needed to be made there is that he should keep thinking positively and improving himself... not entirely giving up on life by going straight to hell.

Man, ain't that the truth. No way would I ever advise a 29-year old man to get together with a 42-year old with kids ... just as I would steer 29-year old women to steer clear of a 42-year old man with kids. This is exactly what I'm talking about, faulty advice that if listened to, could be real damaging to men.

I don't care what Wyld's personal life is like, but it doesn't sound very stable or sound. I don't take fitness advice from a fat man, I don't take driving advice from a person whose been in multiple accidents, and I don't take relationship advice from people who have messed up personal lives.

 

[Wyldfire]

okay you may think your advice is great, but don't ever, ever, ever tell a 29 year old guy that it is okay to date a fukking 42 year old woman with kids... I mean geez, I would be pissed if I followed that advice not knowing the consequences beforehand. Luckily, there are other people here to point out the flaws in even considering something like that. The point that needed to be made there is that he should keep thinking positively and improving himself... not entirely giving up on life by going straight to hell by burying himself in 2 tons of baggage.

And I don't know much about you either, but as has been said before, you keep digging yourself in to be ridiculed by the way you defend yourself. Anti dj. Why not just post on another forum where your advice would be less controversial instead of putting up with this sh!t? Where's your self-respect?

I did not tell him to date anyone. I told him that it is no more dangerous to deal with ex husbands than it is to deal with ex boyfriends and that he should base who to date on her TRAITS, how she deals with difficulties, etc. He was actually interested in dating the 32 year old who has kids. He said that he has been dating younger women and is sick of them. Everyone who responded to him ignored the fact that he said he was sick of younger women and wanted to date older women and just told him to date younger women. Instead of doing that I gave him some tips on what to look for to avoid with single mothers...which is actually going to be useful to him. He is going to date whoever he wants to date and my advice was the only one that actually answered his question. None of the guys on here who are only looking for casual sex have the right to tell a guy looking for an actual relationship that he needs to follow what they think he should be following for guidelines. It's his life and part of being a mature, adult and secure man is dating whoever the heck you want and saying "screw you" to peer pressure and the expectations of others.

 

[Vulpine]

Hmm...

Then of course, perhaps Wyldfire is a paying member.

I mean, has the thought ever occurred to anybody? The most logical reasoning I can come up with to explain why she's still here is the idea that somehow she has exchanged some sort of services for immunity.

Who received these services? And, what exactly were these services she offered?

Hmm... the wonder of it all.

 

[Wyldfire]

I just went back to check on this thread...where I am being personally attacked by the same people who are posting on this thread. Latinoman has now taken to spamming personal insults and attacks against me on serious threads...disrupting it. This is a perfect example of how things have been happening for over 4 years. Notice how when I did not respond by slapping back new attackers joined in? This is typical.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123977

 

[Last Man Standing]

Hmm...

Then of course, perhaps Wyldfire is a paying member.

...why she's still here is the idea that somehow she has exchanged some sort of services for immunity.

Who received these services? And, what exactly were these services she offered?

Hmm... the wonder of it all.

Hahaha, yeah, what does she know and when did she know it?

You guys shouldn't be so harsh to women - you are all women haters!!

 

[Wyldfire]

How do you know I'm not Allen, LMS? I could be, you know. Just think of how boring this site would be without Wyldfire...

 

[RedPill]

This thread taught me what a concern troll is, and it's good to know that there's a term to describe the dynamic that's in play here.

With that in mind, it would be incredibly naive at this point to think the self-serving bias behind Wyld's advice (under the guise of "geared more toward LTRs") isn't pre-meditated. It's faulty advice at best and flame-baiting at worst.

The 20% close rate of her threads provided by Latinoman is compelling, but misleading because it doesn't take into account all the healthy discussions that were derailed and/or closed by strongly worded opinions which implicitly undermine the common values shared by the more evolved contingent of this forum. Adjusted for derailment and counter-productive discussion, this figure is likely somewhere between 30-40%.

The declaration of herself as "different from other women" because of her unusual capacity for logical reasoning is smart marketing. Were it congruent to the content of her posts, I'd imagine she would be one of the most popular posters here. In the same mold, the PM testimonials (the examples posted here are off-the-charts chumpish sounding) are as convincing as a low-budget late-night infomercial.

Although there is no doubt a concern troll dynamic is in play here, I honestly don't think she does it as a deliberate effort to sabotage the forum. I think it's more a case of denial, where Wyld honestly believes her life experience and opinions are a superior barometer to the experiences of the men here. Whether or not she craves the drama, no one will ever know.

But how relevant is motive for a conviction in this case? The facts are the facts - she's not going to change, the forum isn't going to "come around" and start accepting her version of reality as convincing, and she'll continue to be lauded by less experienced members for dishing out the basics. Most importantly, productive threads will continue to get derailed or shut down entirely when Wyldfire's contribution incites chaos and starts arguments.

Despite some of her positive contributions, this forum can no longer continue to stand by and tolerate the erosion of its utility under these conditions.

Motion to ban granted.

 

[Serialized3]

This is stupid. She has as much right to be here as anyone else.

I dont' always agree with her, but I'd rather open a post by Wyld than by some AFC thats like "how mny dayz shood i wait 2 call a chyck?"

If you don't like her threads, don't open them. Or put her on your block list. Whatever.

 

[ValleyDJing]

Everybody STFU!!!!!!

 

[Last Man Standing]

A person should not be banned just because most do not like his/her advice or viewpoint - the people who should be banned are those that purposely instigate fights and bad mouth a poster to disrupt the forum!

In a discussion forum some arguing is encouraged to keep the discussion lively!!

 

[Obsidian]

I just now took the time to venture into Mature Man and read the 42-yr-old divorcee thread. Her advice was trash. Whether or not it's worth a ban, tho, I don't know.

 

[Desdinova]

How do you know I'm not Allen, LMS? I could be, you know.

This is how I know....

THREAD CLOSED.