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It's this simple: Supply & Demand.
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MrBond007
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Flawed.
You suck at economics.Its not the low/high supply theory that applies here because you are only worth a single person and therefore your supply is "1".
Here:
HIGHER VALUE = HIGHER DEMAND
You suck at economics.Its not the low/high supply theory that applies here because you are only worth a single person and therefore your supply is "1".
Here:
HIGHER VALUE = HIGHER DEMAND
MrBond007
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Where can you actually beleive this is true?Even stating this is a flawed perception of reality.You would like to beleive you are a prescious unique flower but you arent.Sorry to break your bubble.
The only good point given here was by me: If you have an higher value, youll be in demand.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
I would add that the scale is not so black and white...
there are more people then just AFC's and DJ's.
Your value, in the girls mind, because its her perception of your value that matters more then your actual, and / or potential value. The goal then becomes to raise your value by any means necessary, because by definition the higher your perceived value the more you will be in demand because the woman are always on a lookout for the shining example of MAN in a sea of femininity.
Mr. Bond, you are right.
there are more people then just AFC's and DJ's.
Your value, in the girls mind, because its her perception of your value that matters more then your actual, and / or potential value. The goal then becomes to raise your value by any means necessary, because by definition the higher your perceived value the more you will be in demand because the woman are always on a lookout for the shining example of MAN in a sea of femininity.
Mr. Bond, you are right.
Player_Supreme
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It's called Ho-enomics.
As soon as you have a supply of something...
Your demand for it decreases...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ALREADY.
Lets say you already have a $100 (supply of something), so this means that your demand for it decreases?
AFC: Ready Supply = Low Demand
A large supply does not mean a low demand, a large supply only pushes the price downward for any given level of demand.
DJ: Low Supply = High demand
A low supply does not mean high demand, a demand for a good or service might not even exist, therefore low supply. People don't use typewriters anymore, so there are very few in the market, does that mean high demand?
Bond was partially right, the supply curve for any individual AFC or DJ is perfectly inelastic, and the demand curve for an AFC or DJ might not be downsloping. It could be upward-sloping if you assume that there's a positive relationship between interest level and time (Interest level on the Y-axis, and Time on the X-axis). Thus, if there's an increase in the girl's interest in you, then she'll want to spend more time with you, given that she acts rational. Therefore equilibrium will be the intersection of your perfectly inelastic supply and her upward-sloping demand curve.
But this analysis is still flawed, bc if you want to increase her interest level by increasing your time being with her, thus rightward shif in your supply curve (which makes a lot of sense bc you act rational), in reality you know that is not always the case, bc as you spend more time, her interest level might decline, bc of many exogeneous factors.
Your demand for it decreases...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ALREADY.
Lets say you already have a $100 (supply of something), so this means that your demand for it decreases?
AFC: Ready Supply = Low Demand
A large supply does not mean a low demand, a large supply only pushes the price downward for any given level of demand.
DJ: Low Supply = High demand
A low supply does not mean high demand, a demand for a good or service might not even exist, therefore low supply. People don't use typewriters anymore, so there are very few in the market, does that mean high demand?
Bond was partially right, the supply curve for any individual AFC or DJ is perfectly inelastic, and the demand curve for an AFC or DJ might not be downsloping. It could be upward-sloping if you assume that there's a positive relationship between interest level and time (Interest level on the Y-axis, and Time on the X-axis). Thus, if there's an increase in the girl's interest in you, then she'll want to spend more time with you, given that she acts rational. Therefore equilibrium will be the intersection of your perfectly inelastic supply and her upward-sloping demand curve.
But this analysis is still flawed, bc if you want to increase her interest level by increasing your time being with her, thus rightward shif in your supply curve (which makes a lot of sense bc you act rational), in reality you know that is not always the case, bc as you spend more time, her interest level might decline, bc of many exogeneous factors.
Ah, yes, if only things were as simple
as the Economists describe. Except
for teaching (?), most are useless
academics who so elegantly describe a world they have invented where behavior can be described in intersecting curves and simple mathematical formulas !
as the Economists describe. Except
for teaching (?), most are useless
academics who so elegantly describe a world they have invented where behavior can be described in intersecting curves and simple mathematical formulas !
I think the original idea is better stated in the law of diminishing returns, ie. too much of a good thing.
Your favorite food is pizza. You are then fed pizza every single day, 3 times a day, indefinately. Nothing but pizza. Eventually, your stomach will turn at the thought of pizza. You'll hate it. You'll want something else.
Moral?
AFC's are like pizza.
Your favorite food is pizza. You are then fed pizza every single day, 3 times a day, indefinately. Nothing but pizza. Eventually, your stomach will turn at the thought of pizza. You'll hate it. You'll want something else.
Moral?
AFC's are like pizza.
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Economic principles can be used to understand human actions in other areas besides the presuit of good and services. Why is this so??? Because people value good and services much like they value @$$. To recieve products one has to trade for it, to recieve @$$ one has to trade for it. There is a large array of products in our modern economy and people persue them so they can be happy. There is a large array of @$$ in our society and people persue it so they can be happy.
Basically economics is how people interact with eachother to get as much as they can/want while giving up the least. This can be in terms of product or @$$.
These are randon thoughts on how econonomics aplies to sociology.
The law of diminishing returns would parallel a situation in which a set of one sex was placed into a room then one by one the other sex was introduced. Each additional member of the sex that was added would pull less and less of what he wanted as other members of the same sex were introduced. (This assumes that all the members of the same sex are identicial)
Point: Don't go to sausage parties.
On to the pizza:
This is called utility preference. What this means is that as one gets more and more of something they are willing to trade less and less for it. For you math majors out there think of it as a funcion that increases at a decreasing rate with "happyness" on the Y and quanity on the X.
1)Point: If one has a large quanity of the opposite sex they are willing to trade/(do things) less and less for the next member of the opposite sex that come along and is available to them.
2)Point: (With several things assumed this is the proof of why being a mystery/playing hard to get works)
Mystery: Go back to the graph and place "what she wants to know about you" on the Y and "what she knows about you on the X. It is in a womans nature to find out about a man, so initally she will want to know alot about you. As she knows more and more about you she will want to know the next thing less and less. This is alittle stretch but get the general idea.
Playing hard to get: On the graph place "time with you" on the Y and "time spent with you" on the X. If she does not spend alot of time with you she will be willing to trade more for it. Willing to trade more for it is equal to saying that she wants it more.
Hopefully you can see why playing hard to get only works in the short run. Eventally she will know alot about you and that part of her that is willing to trade for your time will decrease until it reaches a point where she is no longer will to trade her time for the sole purpose of filling her inate need of finding out more about you.
But play this it works like hell for awhile, becasue women have that strong need to find out about you.
HuuHunb is the only one that know S&D so I ain't typing how that can be used.
With all this said it ain't going to help you get laid a damn bit tho, but it might have a cheeseball effect.
Basically economics is how people interact with eachother to get as much as they can/want while giving up the least. This can be in terms of product or @$$.
These are randon thoughts on how econonomics aplies to sociology.
Interesting topics here:
The law of diminishing returns would parallel a situation in which a set of one sex was placed into a room then one by one the other sex was introduced. Each additional member of the sex that was added would pull less and less of what he wanted as other members of the same sex were introduced. (This assumes that all the members of the same sex are identicial)
Point: Don't go to sausage parties.
On to the pizza:
This is called utility preference. What this means is that as one gets more and more of something they are willing to trade less and less for it. For you math majors out there think of it as a funcion that increases at a decreasing rate with "happyness" on the Y and quanity on the X.
1)Point: If one has a large quanity of the opposite sex they are willing to trade/(do things) less and less for the next member of the opposite sex that come along and is available to them.
2)Point: (With several things assumed this is the proof of why being a mystery/playing hard to get works)
Mystery: Go back to the graph and place "what she wants to know about you" on the Y and "what she knows about you on the X. It is in a womans nature to find out about a man, so initally she will want to know alot about you. As she knows more and more about you she will want to know the next thing less and less. This is alittle stretch but get the general idea.
Playing hard to get: On the graph place "time with you" on the Y and "time spent with you" on the X. If she does not spend alot of time with you she will be willing to trade more for it. Willing to trade more for it is equal to saying that she wants it more.
Hopefully you can see why playing hard to get only works in the short run. Eventally she will know alot about you and that part of her that is willing to trade for your time will decrease until it reaches a point where she is no longer will to trade her time for the sole purpose of filling her inate need of finding out more about you.
But play this it works like hell for awhile, becasue women have that strong need to find out about you.
HuuHunb is the only one that know S&D so I ain't typing how that can be used.
With all this said it ain't going to help you get laid a damn bit tho, but it might have a cheeseball effect.
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So on the the supply and demand model:
Higher value comes from higher demand not vice-versa.
This is what the market demand curve in economics is: The horizontal summination of each individual demand curve.
Each woman wants certain qualities in a man, and each man has a certain "bundel" of qualities. Alot of time these qualities are the same from woman to women. If a man has these qualities that alot of women seek, his demand will shift outword.
Lets make another graph. Let "price" (defind later) be on the Y axis and a mans "bundel" of qualities be on the X. As stated by the guy whos name begins with an H and Mr.Bond the supply of this one man would be 1 or perfectly inelastic.
So the more women that want the bundel the man offers the more his market value increases so he can demand a higher "price" for his bundel. Just like with good and services the higher the "price" of a man the more $$$ he can charge for himself. And what does money stand for in the regular economy? It stand for ones ability to get what they want. So the more "money" that a man can charge for himself the more ability he has to get what he wants. In the market for @$$ it would be his ability to get the @$$ he wants.
This is right but it is backwards.
Higher value comes from higher demand not vice-versa.
This is what the market demand curve in economics is: The horizontal summination of each individual demand curve.
Each woman wants certain qualities in a man, and each man has a certain "bundel" of qualities. Alot of time these qualities are the same from woman to women. If a man has these qualities that alot of women seek, his demand will shift outword.
Lets make another graph. Let "price" (defind later) be on the Y axis and a mans "bundel" of qualities be on the X. As stated by the guy whos name begins with an H and Mr.Bond the supply of this one man would be 1 or perfectly inelastic.
So the more women that want the bundel the man offers the more his market value increases so he can demand a higher "price" for his bundel. Just like with good and services the higher the "price" of a man the more $$$ he can charge for himself. And what does money stand for in the regular economy? It stand for ones ability to get what they want. So the more "money" that a man can charge for himself the more ability he has to get what he wants. In the market for @$$ it would be his ability to get the @$$ he wants.
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A simple concepts to keep in mind.
How much you want it=how much you will give for it=how much you will trade for it
how much someone else wants what you have=how much they will do to get it=how much they will give you to get it
To get a good deal in anything: max=f(how much you want it-how much you give for it)
How much you want it=how much you will give for it=how much you will trade for it
how much someone else wants what you have=how much they will do to get it=how much they will give you to get it
To get a good deal in anything: max=f(how much you want it-how much you give for it)
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Here's something to add to the equation and chew on:
The Game
Young playa’s you gotta keep your game straight. Always keep your front together. No matter how badly your game is going, never back the **** down. If a stupid azzed ho wanted instability she woulda stayed with her family and her simple azzed life.
It’s your job to take her azz away from all that. Ho’s are always searching. They are driven by insecurities and strange desires and shyt. These ho’s problems run deep. Your goal is to find out her needs and wants. Basic Marketing 101 at Players University. Then sell her ass that you can help her get it.
The ho will be attracted to your sureness and confidence. She will jump on your ship for a way out of her mental ghetto. You gotta by 100% sure of yourself at all times. These bi,tches out here only have take take take in their lives. Work, home, kids, bills. Then comes you who meets a need that sits right in the center of her head. You become the only one who is meeting this need. She’ll do anything to keep her fix of that drug.
Your seductive offer should be stability and excitement and a way out of her boredom. You give her ass only one choice to accept your contract. You don’t give her two otherwise the bi.tch will never make up her fuc.king mind.
You are a predator, not a symp. In nature there are the predators and the prey. A playa is the predator. Your blood lust for power over your women should never be satisfied. You are always “on stage” in your game.
A ho is driven by her insecurities. One of my greatest tools are to find out what her insecurities are and use them against her. When you find out what brings her pleasure, you then use this information to keep her azz down and working for you. You become the bright light in her miserable life. You become the answer she has been searching for.
What I’m saying is find out what she wants and what makes her smile or cry. Almost everybody has a desire that they’ll probably never achieve. So spend time to find out what makes the ho tick.
Most women are addicted to drama like you see on soap opera. You give her excitement, drama, love and attention and she will put the leash around her own neck. You want her brain to carry the message that “you” have the power to unlock her key. You have the power to make her life a heaven or a hell. You have the power to make her laugh or cry. You have the power over her being happy or sad.
She will sell you her soul for just a little time in the happiness sphere.
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A sure sign of your power is when your words can bring her heaven or hell..As I just did tonight with my main girl...whom just arrived at my place***
The Game
Young playa’s you gotta keep your game straight. Always keep your front together. No matter how badly your game is going, never back the **** down. If a stupid azzed ho wanted instability she woulda stayed with her family and her simple azzed life.
It’s your job to take her azz away from all that. Ho’s are always searching. They are driven by insecurities and strange desires and shyt. These ho’s problems run deep. Your goal is to find out her needs and wants. Basic Marketing 101 at Players University. Then sell her ass that you can help her get it.
The ho will be attracted to your sureness and confidence. She will jump on your ship for a way out of her mental ghetto. You gotta by 100% sure of yourself at all times. These bi,tches out here only have take take take in their lives. Work, home, kids, bills. Then comes you who meets a need that sits right in the center of her head. You become the only one who is meeting this need. She’ll do anything to keep her fix of that drug.
Your seductive offer should be stability and excitement and a way out of her boredom. You give her ass only one choice to accept your contract. You don’t give her two otherwise the bi.tch will never make up her fuc.king mind.
You are a predator, not a symp. In nature there are the predators and the prey. A playa is the predator. Your blood lust for power over your women should never be satisfied. You are always “on stage” in your game.
A ho is driven by her insecurities. One of my greatest tools are to find out what her insecurities are and use them against her. When you find out what brings her pleasure, you then use this information to keep her azz down and working for you. You become the bright light in her miserable life. You become the answer she has been searching for.
What I’m saying is find out what she wants and what makes her smile or cry. Almost everybody has a desire that they’ll probably never achieve. So spend time to find out what makes the ho tick.
Most women are addicted to drama like you see on soap opera. You give her excitement, drama, love and attention and she will put the leash around her own neck. You want her brain to carry the message that “you” have the power to unlock her key. You have the power to make her life a heaven or a hell. You have the power to make her laugh or cry. You have the power over her being happy or sad.
She will sell you her soul for just a little time in the happiness sphere.
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A sure sign of your power is when your words can bring her heaven or hell..As I just did tonight with my main girl...whom just arrived at my place***
While I agree with much of your economic interpretations, your analysis foundation is purely based on rational behavior, which is necesary to explain human behavior towards satisfying their unlimited wants and desires in goods & services.
In dating, where emotions are involved, simple rational economic analysis fails bc most of the time, emotional behaviors follows no distinct rationality.
I realize that the bundle of qualities you specified could include mystery, challenge, humor etc...and if these qualities are desirable for a certain woman, her rational behavior would be to increase his demand in order to maximize her happiness.
We all know that these qualities trigger her emotional need, but she might not act according to theory bc experiences have taught us that even a girl with a high IL still flakes out and play games.
I would really like it if a combination of rational & irrational behavior can be combined into a simple model or mathematical interpretions using different variables to explain how DJing works and how the opposite sex responds to those behaviors both rationally and irrationally. Look forward to hear your input, Cheir.
In dating, where emotions are involved, simple rational economic analysis fails bc most of the time, emotional behaviors follows no distinct rationality.
I realize that the bundle of qualities you specified could include mystery, challenge, humor etc...and if these qualities are desirable for a certain woman, her rational behavior would be to increase his demand in order to maximize her happiness.
We all know that these qualities trigger her emotional need, but she might not act according to theory bc experiences have taught us that even a girl with a high IL still flakes out and play games.
I would really like it if a combination of rational & irrational behavior can be combined into a simple model or mathematical interpretions using different variables to explain how DJing works and how the opposite sex responds to those behaviors both rationally and irrationally. Look forward to hear your input, Cheir.
Your theory sounds good, but I think its flawed too...I mean you could also apply this to good-looking people. few good-looking people lots of bad/normal looking people so everybody prefers good-looking girls/guys. On the other hand you could say...hey theres so few really really ugly girls. Low supply of it thus high demand. Its not simple as that. I think the higher value approach is better, but anyways this whole thing doesnt really matter long as we all agree that you gotta be a "DJ" ;-)
I thought you were exclusive now...(I think u once said u were gonna drop the other girls from your team and just keep one)? just wondering
What are those stars 4?
I thought you were exclusive now...(I think u once said u were gonna drop the other girls from your team and just keep one)? just wondering
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In my model it is important to note that the words "women" and "men" can be used interchangebly.
The model assumes two things:
1) Women have wants than men satisfy
2) Women attempt to satisy these wants
The model does not in any way shape or form attempt to forcast the behaviors of women. All it does is provide an analiticial construct in which one can understand the magnitue at which women value what the value. It does not attempt to explain how women go after what they value nor what individual women value!
Originally posted by HuuBinh
While I agree with much of your economic interpretations, your analysis foundation is purely based on rational behavior, which is necesary to explain human behavior towards satisfying their unlimited wants and desires in goods & services.
It is not based on rational behavior. It is based on the two assumption above.
In dating, where emotions are involved, simple rational economic analysis fails bc most of the time, emotional behaviors follows no distinct rationality.
Agreed. Again I'm not predicting specific behaviors.
I realize that the bundle of qualities you specified could include mystery, challenge, humor etc...and if these qualities are desirable for a certain woman, her rational behavior would be to increase his demand in order to maximize her happiness.
Read what you wrote: "Emotional behaviors follow no distinct rationality."
Maybe her rational behavior is to increase his demand. Or maybe her rational behavior is to run away so she doesn't risk getting hert, or maybe her rational behavior is to test him to see if he is the real deal, or maybe her rational behavior is to jump on his d*ck so she can fvck his brains out. Who knows??? But I do agree that "Emotional behaviors follow no distinct rationality."
We all know that these qualities trigger her emotional need, but she might not act according to theory bc experiences have taught us that even a girl with a high IL still flakes out and play games.
Again, I am not attempting to predict specific behaviors of indivudual women. You claim high interest level='s no games. WHAT? Take the guys on this site for example. When we have high IL in a girl what do we do? We write a post titled "Help!, HB(high#) need games to play so I can hit that @$$!" Don't we? Women aren't any diffrent. High IL could mean games or no games depending on her rational behavior. The same thing goes for flanking out. Flaking out could be passive agressive. Men use passive agress tactics all the time i.e. the three day rule.
Now there is a constant here that can cut through all this BS.
It is the equasion I typed earlier:
how much someone else wants what you have=how much they will do to get it=how much they will give you to get it
Now if she is spending alot of energy to play the game to the best of her ability it is the same thing as saying that she is willing to do alot to get you. IF the guys on this site see a HB(high#) they are willing to play alot of game ot get them, right? If a guy is willing ot play game he wants that @$$. If she is willing to do alot to go get you it means that she wants that d*ck.
At the beginning of this post I wrote that the model is an frame work to understand the magnitude at which women value what the value. (It does not say what individual women value) If women value something highly they will persue it. They might persue it in terms of game playing, flaking out, acting nice, being sweet, offering to pay or whatever her rational mind believes will give her the most happiness.
If a woman likes you she will persue you with great magnitude and force!!! How she will persue you God only knows!!!
The model assumes two things:
1) Women have wants than men satisfy
2) Women attempt to satisy these wants
The model does not in any way shape or form attempt to forcast the behaviors of women. All it does is provide an analiticial construct in which one can understand the magnitue at which women value what the value. It does not attempt to explain how women go after what they value nor what individual women value!
Originally posted by HuuBinh
While I agree with much of your economic interpretations, your analysis foundation is purely based on rational behavior, which is necesary to explain human behavior towards satisfying their unlimited wants and desires in goods & services.
It is not based on rational behavior. It is based on the two assumption above.
In dating, where emotions are involved, simple rational economic analysis fails bc most of the time, emotional behaviors follows no distinct rationality.
Agreed. Again I'm not predicting specific behaviors.
I realize that the bundle of qualities you specified could include mystery, challenge, humor etc...and if these qualities are desirable for a certain woman, her rational behavior would be to increase his demand in order to maximize her happiness.
Read what you wrote: "Emotional behaviors follow no distinct rationality."
Maybe her rational behavior is to increase his demand. Or maybe her rational behavior is to run away so she doesn't risk getting hert, or maybe her rational behavior is to test him to see if he is the real deal, or maybe her rational behavior is to jump on his d*ck so she can fvck his brains out. Who knows??? But I do agree that "Emotional behaviors follow no distinct rationality."
We all know that these qualities trigger her emotional need, but she might not act according to theory bc experiences have taught us that even a girl with a high IL still flakes out and play games.
Again, I am not attempting to predict specific behaviors of indivudual women. You claim high interest level='s no games. WHAT? Take the guys on this site for example. When we have high IL in a girl what do we do? We write a post titled "Help!, HB(high#) need games to play so I can hit that @$$!" Don't we? Women aren't any diffrent. High IL could mean games or no games depending on her rational behavior. The same thing goes for flanking out. Flaking out could be passive agressive. Men use passive agress tactics all the time i.e. the three day rule.
Now there is a constant here that can cut through all this BS.
It is the equasion I typed earlier:
how much someone else wants what you have=how much they will do to get it=how much they will give you to get it
Now if she is spending alot of energy to play the game to the best of her ability it is the same thing as saying that she is willing to do alot to get you. IF the guys on this site see a HB(high#) they are willing to play alot of game ot get them, right? If a guy is willing ot play game he wants that @$$. If she is willing to do alot to go get you it means that she wants that d*ck.
At the beginning of this post I wrote that the model is an frame work to understand the magnitude at which women value what the value. (It does not say what individual women value) If women value something highly they will persue it. They might persue it in terms of game playing, flaking out, acting nice, being sweet, offering to pay or whatever her rational mind believes will give her the most happiness.
If a woman likes you she will persue you with great magnitude and force!!! How she will persue you God only knows!!!
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