It's so easy, why are we even here?

[princelydeeds]

Im learning that by most accounts im pretty successful with women. I have a problem with a certain type of woman, the type that I feel has lots of potential. I could always attract them but for some reason I couldnt keep the wifey types on my roster. The pretty brainless ones, the gold diggers, the HB's, the player types I have no trouble dealing with. Any woman I have no real feeling for is easy for me. The women who I really want to be with its been tough for me.

I came to this site trying to make my dating less hit or miss. I wouldn't say im a pvssy but i am trying to improve myself. I accept the fact that I will never get every woman I want. This site does give me the resources to analyze my moves and improve my game plan. I admit when Im in the presence of someone In whom I see alot of potential I do go AFC, sometimes. This site is like watching film of yourself dating, you read teh articles then analyze the things you've done. After reading through some things, I immediately know what I did wrong. Before, I didn't really understand my mistakes so I continued to make them over and over.

I have no problems with ROnin's revelation. I hope it helps him. We should all get what we want out of life. Being apologetic, soft, and frustrated sucks. I think those who turn to others for help are wise. This board helps to solve problems and make better men. I think all guys would be better off if they had a woman on their arm that they were truly proud of. This site shows you how to get what you want out of life and not just dating. Dating is a big part of life and most of us would be happier if we could screw and date the women we truly desire. I mean what guy wouldn't be a better, more confident man if he had 3 hb 9's in his stable?

 

[Ronin I]

OK Rageta - I agree with enough of what you said to respond.

Originally posted by Don Rageta
ivy league pffffftttttt

First off, don't hate on the ivy league. I learned a lot and quite frankly my undergrad was A LOT harder than the grad school I'm currently attending.

Originally posted by Don Rageta
talk about not caring what people think.
this is one of those holier than thou posts.
revelations we all must hear.

You got me here. I have to admit that. Kind of contradicting myself with the whole Ivy League spiel. Can't deny that. What can I say - we all have our moments of weakness.

Originally posted by Don Rageta

i guess you didn't take sociology in your ivy league shool.
society needs people that judge others and everyone cares and conforms on some level. A true anticonformist is found in the dumpsters scrounging for food. if no one cared what others thought we would have anarchy. acceptance and the need for it keep all societys in check, the americans, the nazis, the communists even the caveman society has it.

No I didn't take any sociology (I was a psych major) and you are right - a true anti-conformist, I am not. When I talk about not caring what other people think I mean that we just shouldn't allow other people's perceptions of our actions influence us negatively in ANY way. For the first time EVER in my life, I felt like that. It is a very. very good feeling. A very freeing feeling.

I do care about what people think to a certain extent- but really only so far as how certain people can impact my life (i.e. I care that my boss thinks I am a good worker because he signs my paycheck and I need that $$$ to pay my bills - I care that a psychiatrist doesn't think that I am insane because I'd rather not be put in the looney bin, I care that the cute girl at the bar finds me attractive because I'd like to take her home to play, etc.) I think you get my point.

Originally posted by Don Rageta

next time you post, and you will because like everyone you care, try something a bit more constructive

True. But I think you understand HOW I care and why.

I had a great night last night and wanted to share it. I wanted to share the feeling I had of being so utterly comfortable with myself that I moved through the world as care-free as I have since I was a child.

Gotta go for now but more to come...

 

[myfriendblu]

Cut your whining sissy. Im here because Im always learning, always improving. yup, Im a DJ, but I stay here because Im always learning new, small things that help. Just in the last month or so i learned:

1. To keep phone convos short, helps keep IL high with new dates. I started doing this, its helped.

2. Coffee dates are great first dates because there cheap. if the date is lame, all you blew was 4 or 5 bucks, instead of wasting dinner date after dinner date. A few saturdays ago i went on 3 coffee dates in one day!. Another great tip...

These are just a few off the top of my head. My game was already good but its gotten even better.
Im always constantly picking up new things here and there....i would consider myself like a pro althete hitting the gym during the off-season for a little workout here and there - I check the site here and there, post a little here and there. if you don't like the site, well hit the road and don't let the door slam you in the as s on the way out.

 

[Player_Supreme]

Ronin

Here is something I would like to add:

The Game

What is slowing a lot of players down is that they falsely believe that they are harming someone by being a player. You need to think the game as a world that you enter. Think of it as a separate world from the world that you live in with it’s own set of rules.

In the real world you have a balance of power, democratizing, political correctness. Rules that say you should act humble and modest and do not offend others.

In the game you need to be more of the real you. If you think that timid, humble, overly polite person is the real you, then you need to think again.

“No one is born timid: timidity is a protection we develop. If we never stick our necks out, if we never try,, we will never have to suffer the consequences of failure or success, If we are kind and unobtrusive, no one will be offended- in fact we will seem saintly and likable.”

“In truth, timid people are often self-absorbed, obsessed with the way people see them, and not at all saintly”

In the game you need to take off that false face you wear out in the world and be more of the real you. Yes you were born self absorbed, self centered, selfish, an ******* as I’ve been called numerous times. You need to let your shadow side that needs expression free.

“In a dance, two people cannot lead. One takes over, sweeping the other along.”


In the game holding back cause you think there is some kinda need to share power is stupid and will get you played and nowhere…actually in no ***** land.

This arena is not for the stupid and faint of heart, cause you will get played by craftier women for all you have. You will get taken on an emotional roller coaster ride with a crashing finish at the end, instead of the reverse.

In this game you “man up”, that means step the **** up. Don’t worry about the consequences or the other person.

“console yourself with the thought that the pleasure of the one who surrenders is often greater than that of the aggressor.”

In this game the end result is your pleasure. That is all you care about. Like I say when your in the game you’re their to play. “this is chess not checkers”-Denzel Washington.
In this university you need to learn to leave the normal world that you live in and take the correct pill to a new reality.

peace

 

[Slickster]

Originally posted by es_mer8
See you later. I may read this board from time to time but its the last time I'm posting here.

Why leave when you have so much to say.

 

[MDgood]

Come on, Ronin, lighten up!

How is having an internet message board that talks about women any different than what we guys do with each other CONSTANTLY: we always talk about women!

At home, at work, at clubs and bars, hell, even at church, we are constantly talking about women with other guys and trying to figure them out! Now it's just gotten to the internet!

Ronin, I'm glad you're so self-confident. Confidence is good, but arrogance is not. But take a bit of advice from a guy who's older than you: that ****y and self-assured attitude of "I'm God with Women" may work when you're hitting on girls who are 22, but if you keep that attitude, all you'll ever get are women who are in college. No self-respecting, independent woman would tolerate that attitude in a man.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Ronin,

Ignoring everything else but your first post in this thread... Thanks for posting this. I think it was great. I'm kind of going through a similar epiphany right now. It's great.

I'm guessing we're around the same age. You're right. It is amazing what 10 years of adulthood will do for you. I'm caring less and less what people think of me, and it's making my life a lot better. I think that's one true mark of maturity.

One of my exes was 35. She was a grad student about to get her PhD. She wanted to know what I was like in high school and if I was a football player. She always wanted to date a football player. I guess she wasn't really popular in high school, and wanted to capture something she felt she missed out on. She cared way too much what other people thought about her. She wanted her friends to "approve" of me, like some teenage girl. I guess if her friends didn't think I was "cool", I was out. (Would have been more of a gain than a loss for me.) This seemed like such a pathetic way to live your life, that it started changing me. Now I could give a f*ck what people think of me now or in my past.

 

[valera]

****, I'll admit it if nobody else will. I've jumped out of an airplane, shot at people, been thrown from moving cars, ended barfights singlehanded, had two chicks at once, driven a Ferrari, own my own business, caught a 114lb swordfish in the Bahamas on a light rod/reel, spent four months in physical therapy after a car accident teaching myself to walk again, and even I still choke up and get a little scared in my head at 'places you don't discuss at ****tail parties' when I see a hottie.

I think Ronin's got a good point here, and you would be wise to listen. Nobody cares if you can be a big man here, it's what you do out there.

 

[davelmn2003]

sorry, wrong post.

 

[REDblueOI]

Why are we even here? Why?

I'll answer my own question. Because to one degree or another we're all insecure. Every move we make we question. Should I have done this? Should I have done that? Would she like me more if I had done this? Blah. balh. blah, blah, blah.

-----I totally agree that every man innitially came to this website because he had a nagging feeling of inatiquacy [sorry for the sp]. We knew that if there was nothing wrong with us, if we were all prince charming, we would be getting women. And we wern't.


Bottom line - we are all pu$$ies.

-----No, this is totally incorrect. A pvssy is to scared to do the right thing. I found this site after a long search, and many weeks of self improvment on my own [physical stuff]. As soon as I was presented with the dj principles I began applying them. Sure, I fudged approaches at first, but that was because of my execution. To assume that everyone here was scared of women is not only false, but rude, and that is why a few ppl got on your back.

None of us is strong enough to stand up as men and take responsibility for our decisions.

-----Again, I was raised to take responsibility for my actions. I once got in a fight and beet a kid bloody on his own front lawn. A neighbor called the police and everyone ran. I stayed put, because I had the balls to accept responsibility for my act of <SELF DEFENCE >.

I went out tonight and I had an epiphany (hold your applause, please). I commanded my own environment. Why? Because I wanted to. Because no matter what happened I decided I was going to have a good time. I approached a girl, she was receptive. I appraoched another girl, she wasn't.

So? So fvckin' what. Does it mean anything? NO!

-----DAMN RIGHT!

All too often (or always) we measure ourselves by what other people think. This is so silly - and I think you know why. What do THEY know about you?What do THEY know about life? These people that we let judge us. That we let influence how we live our lives. They know nothing.

-----Even when you measure yourself by your own standards, those standards you use derive from comparison with others. With that in mind, what sense does this make? I am not saying others should govorn your life, but when ppl offer their point of view, accept it, and look threw their eyes to see where they are comeing from. Hell, you might discover something.

I have a fairly good understanding of this world. It is all BULL****. This is a world full of phonies. A world full of posers. A world full of people too scared to act upon their impulses.

-----Very true, but, that doesn't mean these people cant be used for comparison

So ask yourself this. Do you want to be one of those people too scared to live? OR do you want to be one of those people too scared NOT to live? I know where I stand.

-----This is a spectacular point. Look at everyone else, why bother being like them, when you can be better? Live your life, because lying in your death bed it wont be what you did that you regret, its what you didn't do that'll frost your lil green apples.

Let's push the envelope. From this day forward I am determined to turn someone's head. From this day forward I am determined to challenge the norm. Why?

-----Amen

Because the norm is BULL****!. Because this world is full of people afraid to live life.

-----Just because they are wrong doesn't mean its bull****. That bull**** is your friends parents and probably the woman you'll love. Its not ****ty, its just wrong.


I'm not afraid anymore. Fvck what people think.

-----Don't EVER be afraid, but take every point of view into consideration.


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Look, life isn't your huge house, your fast car, your fancy coffee table, or even your sexy girlfriend, nope. Life is about living. And whats the point of living if you aren't going to do it your way?
Just never forget that your neighbor's opinion matters, for, at the very leased, the sake of comparison.

 

[Don Rageta]

stay up brother ronin

 

[Ol'BlueEyes]

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It's not so easy for some of us. I talk to tons of women, yet get nowhere. I think it's time for me to change something--DRASTICALLY.

 

[Bonhomme]

Why am I here?

I'm still improving, still doing counterproductive things at times, still working on various areas of my character and personality. There is no end to the process as long as one is in the game.

As long as there are challenges to be overcome in the seduction arena, I'll be here to sharpen myself up. And as my knowledge has increased, more and more of my time here has been devoted to helping the guys here who are just getting their game together, and sharing my new revelations with those who care to pay attention and benefit from the knowledge gained.

Onward and upward!

 

[diplomatic_lies]

People post to message boards to continually improve themselves. You need experience in real world, but you also need feedback.

It works the same with everything. Why get an education? Why go to college? Why learn about networking? Everyone needs to learn, to improve. Even people like Bill Gates probably reads a dozen business books a year just to get some feedback on his actions.

 

[Bonhomme]

As you think ...

So you shall become.

At least to some degree.

Continual exposure to productive concepts eventually results in productive patterns of behavior. The concepts sink in and the changes occur automatically over time.

And then the results are so very sweet!

 

[mahon83050]

Ronin, I think you wrote a good post and it was very inspirational, but I think EVERYONE cares what others think of them to some degree. What I mean is, some care alot more than others.

I.E, if you were some short, fat, bald guy or a below average looking guy dating a 7 thru a 10, you would care what people think. I probably would (if I were Ugly) because I know alot of people would think "what is she doing with that guy etc."

I know we are supposed to think no woman is out of our league, but I DO agree that we would probably feel more secure with a girl who is right around the same category.

 

[Oxide]

Good post, but we are beating the crap out of the dead horse for the 100th time.


Read and remember : This is your life. You cannot waste it by doing something that other people want you to. You cant offord to not make a move because of "other people". fvck other people. i dont care if i look dumb dancing by myself, if i get this hottie next to me. fvck other people, im not gonna jump off the bridge becuase they say "im a ***** and i cant" .

it is your life. this is all that matters.