It's Sh!tty in San Diego

[Bible_Belt]

The article seems to me like an insight into the future of this country, as the divide between economic classes only grows greater. The people who don't matter can only be ignored for so long, before they develop a communicable disease, which is then spread quite easily back to the people who do matter.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hepatitis-san-diego-20170911-story.html
After 15 die in hepatitis outbreak, San Diego begins sanitary street washing
street washing will commence in downtown San Diego and will continue every other week to combat the city’s deadly hepatitis A outbreak, Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s office said Friday.

The city responded to a letter sent by San Diego County Thursday, asking the city to move forward with a list of specific sanitation actions designed to help control the spread of the disease, which has killed 15 people and hospitalized nearly 300, many of them homeless and living on streets without adequate access to restrooms or showers.

The county gave the city five business days to respond with a plan for remedying what it called a “fecally contaminated environment” downtown. The county will soon expand its efforts to other cities in the region, where the outbreak has now produced nearly 400 confirmed cases.

The county moved forward last weekend with its own contractor, who installed 40 hand-washing stations in areas where the homeless often gather. There are plans, according to the city’s letter, to add more stations next week.


In addition to regularly pressure-washing dirty city right-of-ways with chlorinated water, the county also asked the city to “immediately expand access to public restrooms and wash stations within the city limits that are adjacent to at-risk populations.”

The mayor’s office provided no additional information on public restroom access except a three-page list of existing facilities, some of which are open 24 hours a day.

Meanwhile, additional San Diego police escorts will be provided for the county’s mobile vaccination teams and expanded vaccination clinics will be opened at public libraries.

 

[dustmuffin]

Hobos crapping on the street. Oh the humanity!

 

[logicallefty]

I thought San Diego was a crap hole when I was there 10 x years ago. This helps confirm that I was correct.

 

[Bible_Belt]

 

[Billtx49]

This krap certainly couldn't be because of the towns proximity to our southern border could it ?

 

[Fatal Jay]

I always heard san diego was the most cleanest city in the states, guess I was wrong

 

[dudewut]

I just made a poll thread about where to move to.

And yes, there are so many homeless people in San Diego around East Village especially, the whole place reeks.

 

[speed dawg]

The article seems to me like an insight into the future of this country, as the divide between economic classes only grows greater. The people who don't matter can only be ignored for so long, before they develop a communicable disease, which is then spread quite easily back to the people who do matter.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hepatitis-san-diego-20170911-story.html
After 15 die in hepatitis outbreak, San Diego begins sanitary street washing
street washing will commence in downtown San Diego and will continue every other week to combat the city’s deadly hepatitis A outbreak, Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s office said Friday.

The city responded to a letter sent by San Diego County Thursday, asking the city to move forward with a list of specific sanitation actions designed to help control the spread of the disease, which has killed 15 people and hospitalized nearly 300, many of them homeless and living on streets without adequate access to restrooms or showers.

The county gave the city five business days to respond with a plan for remedying what it called a “fecally contaminated environment” downtown. The county will soon expand its efforts to other cities in the region, where the outbreak has now produced nearly 400 confirmed cases.

The county moved forward last weekend with its own contractor, who installed 40 hand-washing stations in areas where the homeless often gather. There are plans, according to the city’s letter, to add more stations next week.


In addition to regularly pressure-washing dirty city right-of-ways with chlorinated water, the county also asked the city to “immediately expand access to public restrooms and wash stations within the city limits that are adjacent to at-risk populations.”

The mayor’s office provided no additional information on public restroom access except a three-page list of existing facilities, some of which are open 24 hours a day.

Meanwhile, additional San Diego police escorts will be provided for the county’s mobile vaccination teams and expanded vaccination clinics will be opened at public libraries.

That sh*t (no pun intended) doesn't fly in this country. There are so many opportunities for people to work and get some money. Basically, if you are poor and homeless in this country, chances are you've essentially chosen that through terrible decisions. There's only so much 'helping' people can do for you until you really just have to accept the fact that you are a piece of sh*t. Again, no pun intended. "Poor people" is such an overused term in this country, when half the country gets welfare.

If we were talking about some 3rd world country that doesn't have its government to lean on, I might be convinced to start caring about the 'poor people'. The government took charity away from the church a long damn time ago, so I 'help' these folks by paying taxes.

Take that noise elsewhere.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Basically, if you are poor and homeless in this country, chances are you've essentially chosen that through terrible decisions.

My former wife was a counselor to homeless people when we were married. She worked for a non-profit. Her boss did his PhD in homelessness. He lived as a bum for a while as research. He went into the degree program different than when he came out, because he learned a lot of ugly things about homeless people. Virtually all of them have some combination of mental illness and substance abuse issues, which is common knowledge, but usually the reason they were on the streets was that they had treated their own families so poorly that the family had kicked them out. The government used to run insane asylums for the mentally ill, but now that is considered cruel, so we just let them live in cardboard boxes on the street.

The issue is quite relevant to the overall political picture in this country right now, in that shame and scorn does not solve the problem. You can call those homeless people all the names you want, but that doesn't treat their mental illness, or their drug addiction, or keep them from pooping on the sidewalk and giving your kids a disease. However, it is a lot easier, and a lot cheaper for the government to use scapegoating than it would be to actually solve the problem. We have the worst job market in modern history, as evidenced by the participation rate. That's a difficult problem to fix. It's a lot easier just point at unemployed people and call them lazy.

 

[speed dawg]

The issue is quite relevant to the overall political picture in this country right now, in that shame and scorn does not solve the problem. You can call those homeless people all the names you want, but that doesn't treat their mental illness, or their drug addiction, or keep them from pooping on the sidewalk and giving your kids a disease. However, it is a lot easier, and a lot cheaper for the government to use scapegoating than it would be to actually solve the problem. We have the worst job market in modern history, as evidenced by the participation rate. That's a difficult problem to fix. It's a lot easier just point at unemployed people and call them lazy.

Actually, shame and scorn do discourage the problem, but no, they don't solve it.

When you talk workforce, the answer is in the middle. Trying to blame corporate America, the government, or the workforce - solely - is stupid. I've read enough of your posts to know you render the poor blameless of anything. That's a problem in my opinion. Everyone needs accountability. Sounds like the problem with mental illness is with the family of those who kicked them out.

As for our economy, it's fine for most, but yeah, not the poor. We're either going to put them to work, or pay for them with welfare (or neither, and they'll breed themselves out of existence, after a war in the streets). Democrats and RINOs would rather pay them welfare, and increase globalization. Real conservatives want the jobs brought back with a tariff.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

We're either going to put them to work, or pay for them with welfare (or neither, and they'll breed themselves out of existence, after a war in the streets). Democrats and RINOs would rather pay them welfare, and increase globalization. Real conservatives want the jobs brought back with a tariff.

What's most likely going to happen is it will continue to get worse. Expect "universal basic income" to be part of 2020 election. If not then by 2024 they'll have changed the name from "Welfare" to "Universal Basic Income" just like the changed the name from "foodstamps" to "Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program," and "panics" to "depressions."

One huge problem facing the FED is they can't reach their inflation target. They say they need inflation for economic growth but they really need to inflate away the debt. The reason there is no inflation is all the money the Fed prints is going to the banks who just use it to earn interest.

The Universal Basic Income will be clever way of getting cash into the hands of needy citizens. Everybody will agree it is a good idea, for different reasons. It will be reality within a decade, especially when you account for everybody who's going to get laid off due to robots.

Likely half or more of the country will be on Universal Basic Income within ten years. This will cause MASSIVE inflation, which will just make everything else worse.

Whoever you think is responsible for homelessness and filthy streets is irrelevant. The problem will keep getting worse.

The empire is crumbling and this kind of sh*t always happens when empires crumble.

 

[ubercat]

The rise of the robots is terrifying. The modern middle class is mainly made of knowledge workers. When AI decimates those jobs return on capital ie being in business the only way to make a living. I wonder how small businesses are going to travel when the demand side of the economy has been ravaged. You'll end up with the current well-to-do areas becoming like Monaco walled enclaves of fantastic wealth and privilege. @speed dawg I'll get out front that I used to be a lefty. Seeing feminism and political correctness at work cured me of that. However I'm no believer in their market curing everything either. Watching all my utilities bills go up by a factor of 5 since privatisation has taught me that.

I'm assuming in your political philosophy that you would consider regulation =big government= evil. How would you suggest we deal with a situation like the advances in Robotics where if you leave it to the market the economic and human pain caused by the market adjustment will be massive?

 

[ubercat]

BTW @taiyuu_otoko is on the money. An American writer saw it coming 60 years ago. Read player piano by Kurt vonnegut Jr. Of course at the time it was considered a satire

 

[Billtx49]

The rise of the robots is terrifying. The modern middle class is mainly made of knowledge workers. When AI decimates those jobs return on capital ie being in business the only way to make a living. I wonder how small businesses are going to travel when the demand side of the economy has been ravaged. You'll end up with the current well-to-do areas becoming like Monaco walled enclaves of fantastic wealth and privilege. @speed dawg I'll get out front that I used to be a lefty. Seeing feminism and political correctness at work cured me of that. However I'm no believer in their market curing everything either. Watching all my utilities bills go up by a factor of 5 since privatisation has taught me that.

I'm assuming in your political philosophy that you would consider regulation =big government= evil. How would you suggest we deal with a situation like the advances in Robotics where if you leave it to the market the economic and human pain caused by the market adjustment will be massive?

AI based technology is the biblical Beast.

 

[ubercat]

And of course the most obvious application is military. I hope Terminator isn't the next satire to come true.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/tourists-came-san-diego-metallica-left-hepatitis
Tourists came to San Diego for Metallica, left with hepatitis A