Its seeming like cheating is mandatory?

[AlphaGhost]

I have always had the mindset that cheating is wrong! I think it’s the worst thing someone can do to another person. But after browsing this site, and sorta having my awakening to whats really going on, and seeing it’s a cold cold colddddd world, I'm starting to think it’s a necessary thing to do.

Going through the thread danger made about equality, got me thinking. I mean, I know my value and I know im a catch for any chick with half a brain, but I also know females eventually take things for granted and they can easily move on to some next guy. Now, I know I won't cheat, no matter what, I'd rather break it off. But technically doesn’t a women still own you if you feel obligated to her??

It puts her in a position of power, wether she notices it or not.

With my prior gf, I did cheat once and I swear at first I felt extremely guily but I kept it a secret. She didn’t find out till about 4-5 months later, but those 4-5 months were great!!!

I think my whole demeanor really just showed her without saying it that "I don’t need you!" and she was throwing it at me, treating me like a king and all! But when I didn’t cheat, she was great don’t get my wrong, but I felt she was really working after!


I'm not going to cheat (well I don’t plan to) but I can see if I did and kept it a secret, it would be a win win. I'd definitely be the same person I was before but my whole aura would be different when I know for sure that I'm fluckin someone else and don’t need her. (of course when she finds out it down hill from there lol)

Sorta a vent or me just typing out my thoughts, but what do you guys think?

 

[Gray The Prince]

Yep, you are definitely new here. *facepalm*


You clearly don't get it yet.

 

[AlphaGhost]

So, *facepalm* thats why its a forum for OPEN discussion.

Care to share your opinion?

 

[corrector]

But the relationship was over when she found out...four to five months after the fact. So, that extra "niceness" on her part was because you were hiding something from her. I don't know what you are proving by cheating other than you have no self-control.

 

[AlphaGhost]

But the relationship was over when she found out...four to five months after the fact. So, that extra "niceness" on her part was because you were hiding something from her. I don't know what you are proving by cheating other than you have no self-control.

I agree, but what im pondering on is when you decide to have self control because of someone else, don't they have power over you?

 

[corrector]

I agree, but what im pondering on is when you decide to have self control because of someone else, don't they have power over you?

If you could not tell her the truth and had to wait 4-5 months, then she has power over you. Even if she treated you like a king, then that doesn't mean anything, since you were still afraid of her to tell her the truth. When you did it was over.

I can also spin this another way. You had confidence because you had a gf and would not have been able to get with that woman if you did not have a gf in the first place. That doesn't sound like a man that's good with women who has options. It looks like an AFC that was enabled by his gf who has no self-control.

 

[NobodyCares1]

Read the DJBible and all around this forum, most of the articles try to teach you how to have that aura without cheating. It's not as easy but it's worth it.

 

[Zarky]

Yep, you are definitely new here. *facepalm*


You clearly don't get it yet.

Says the 20 year old. You're new on the planet, son.

I have always had the mindset that cheating is wrong!

Read my blog posts on "lying" to women about other women here:

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/rule-4-you-must-lie-to-women/

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/rule-4a-you-must-lie-to-women-the-remix/

 

[AlphaGhost]

I can also spin this another way. You had confidence because you had a gf and would not have been able to get with that woman if you did not have a gf in the first place. That doesn't sound like a man that's good with women who has options. It looks like an AFC that was enabled by his gf who has no self-control.

I get where your coming from..

 

[AlphaGhost]

Says the 20 year old. You're new on the planet, son.


Read my blog posts on "lying" to women about other women here:

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/rule-4-you-must-lie-to-women/

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/rule-4a-you-must-lie-to-women-the-remix/

Zarky posting sums up exactly what my brain was trying to piece together....
And the situations he posted in the first link is very similar to mine with my prior gf. If I wasn't so careless, I would have gotten away with it!

We all know women attract women, and maybe in my old relationship I was doing just enough in those 4-5 months to make her slightly suspect im banging others, but when I was with her I treated her right, so she it would sorta erase her suspicions.

Thoughts?

 

[C-quenced]

I have always had the mindset that cheating is wrong! I think it’s the worst thing someone can do to another person. But after browsing this site, and sorta having my awakening to whats really going on, and seeing it’s a cold cold colddddd world, I'm starting to think it’s a necessary thing to do.

Facts and reality necessitate the need for a man to come to terms with logic and rationality. This is exactly whats occurring in your mind and explains why you're posting about these thoughts in the first place. There is an obstruction ("How dare you think this way?!") causing you to have nagging feelings of doubt and is preventing you from living your life on your own terms. This obstruction serves as nothing more then a straight jacket and takes its shape in the forms of morals and social shaming. This has become evident even in the posts that have come before mine and to give you a stern warning you should only expect more.

Going through the thread danger made about equality, got me thinking. I mean, I know my value and I know im a catch for any chick with half a brain, but I also know females eventually take things for granted and they can easily move on to some next guy.

The rabbit hole is a lot deeper. It goes a lot deeper then just "taking things for granted" my friend. If you have a willingness to learn allow me to remove the blinders from your eyes. While nothing takes the place of actually going out there and experiencing things for yourself I'm going to give you some concepts in encapsulated form. I challenge you to gain a mastery of these concepts, to go out and experience/analyze female behavior and to logically (and void of emotions) PROVE the information right or wrong for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbaztPIIfuw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSG1qWEEgvY&list=UUrEtDxWkIa6YTyTLDqKdqUw&index=32

Here is a thread which doesn't get the attention it deserves. It contains a great wealth of information.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198738

Now, I know I won't cheat, no matter what, I'd rather break it off. But technically doesn’t a women still own you if you feel obligated to her??

Under those circumstances it technically makes sense for a woman to owe you her undivided love and attention but reality says otherwise. A woman feels she doesn't owe you anything regardless of YOUR feelings of obligation and level of commitment. When you enter a "relationship" it's ALWAYS about her feelings and the benefits she can derive from being with you. When she feels it's time to break it off then your feelings are just that. YOUR feelings and nothing more.

This causes me to bring up the question: Is it really "cheating" when there was never anything there to begin with?

It puts her in a position of power, wether she notices it or not.

The important thing is that you noticed that a power shift exists. Now you can allow rationality to take over the decisions you'll make. You want to be free thinking and have free will. Not a slave to societal rules, empty promises, shallow female companionship and ulterior motives hidden underneath fake smiles.

Sorta a vent or me just typing out my thoughts, but what do you guys think?

When you ask whether cheating is mandatory or not and provide good reasons as to what drew you to that conclusion in the first place, you'll eventually shake up the moral foundation and beliefs many hold on to. This explains why you were attacked by earlier posters. In many cases these beliefs are so deeply ingrained that attacking you is nothing more then a knee jerk reaction.

My thoughts is that you're looking behind the blinders and seeing things for what they are. This left you no other choice but to challenge concepts such as love, loyalty and commitment and you are now facing a dilemma.

 

[Down Low]

Fact is, though, women have a monthly cycle of shifting imbalances of sex hormones that make them behave erratically. And these hormonal levels decline sharply as they age. By the time a woman's in her mid-30s, she's premenopausal, and her behavior has changed so much for the worse over the years that she's a totally different woman than the one you met in her 20s. Besides, the years of fvcking around warp her mind even more.

You don't feel as guilty the second time you cheat. By the fourth time, there's hardly any guilt at all. The mental damage has already been done. The innocence is gone. The moral purity is gone. Besides, the relationship was over as soon as you started flirting with other girls. You already knew this one was not wife material -- or that you aren't ready for a LTR.

An unspoken, underlying problem is that women will spread their legs for men when there's no committment between the two of them. Your moral purity got corrupted by a loose woman. You can't blame yourself for having started a sexual relationship with a woman who accepted your d1ck.

There's nothing restraining women from going hog wild. The violence of the state and the propaganda power of the media is turned against men, to prevent men from punishing and preventing most of the cheating. Women are such serial cheaters -- it's crazy!

All I have to do to see the problem -- is to look out the window. No kidding. The married woman in the apartment across the way came home from work two hours early today, followed a few minutes later by a strange man. He was carrying a box like a picture or mirror to be hung. He just left. The husband usually comes home about an hour from now.

 

[AlphaGhost]

C-quenched nice post, a woman knows she can control a man with *****. Take that away and your good.

But what about when children are involved? And the lying...

 

[zinc4]

I am on the fence on this subject as well....if you know you will never marry the girl or be with her forever, then what is the point of both of you being loyal to each other if you no sooner or later you will be separated???? really, what is the point besides both of you feeling a little slutty...i mean in the grand schemes of things it makes no difference...just seems like you should be allowed to do as please until married....

 

[AlphaGhost]

Just playing devil's advocate to stir up discussion on this, what about when a women cheats on a man is it okay? If she were to keep it a secret? But then I think that could be me thinking things "should" be equal. Then I think about how women think, if your alpha or dominant enough she may have no desire to gain anyone but you....

It's hard to think this way like c quenched said, but it's a cold world especially when every thing is in the women's favor..

 

[sageproduct]

Says the 20 year old. You're new on the planet, son.


Read my blog posts on "lying" to women about other women here:

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/rule-4-you-must-lie-to-women/

http://matingmarket.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/rule-4a-you-must-lie-to-women-the-remix/

Zarky, I first read your blog posts a couple weeks ago...I'm still thinking about them and reevaluating right now where I stand on this.

I've always believed myself to be someone who would NEVER cheat, who would have no reason to lie..but now I don't think I can commit myself to one stance or another until I get out there a little.

I think most likely I will ultimately stick with my stance of being faithful, but that doesn't mean I still can't usefully apply some of your content in rule 4a

 

[C-quenced]

Just playing devil's advocate to stir up discussion on this, what about when a women cheats on a man is it okay? If she were to keep it a secret? But then I think that could be me thinking things "should" be equal. Then I think about how women think, if your alpha or dominant enough she may have no desire to gain anyone but you....

It's hard to think this way like c quenched said, but it's a cold world especially when every thing is in the women's favor..

You keep butchering my name lol. You're making me sound like a cheap sports drink.

The broken belief system of equalism (recently brought to our attention by Danger) is so deeply ingrained in many of us that it's habitual and automatic to regress to those illogical, pseudo enlightened philosophies. When men and women cheat it is NOT the same regardless of what moralists and equalists try to preach. When a woman cheats her feelings of love (first and foremost), priorities, respect and overall interest in a man have been void for a long time. Whatever love or relationship the man currently involved with her thinks she has (for him) does not exist.

For a man this isn't the case. He can love his girlfriend or wife, couldn't dream of ever losing her yet he can still consider sex with other women for a variety of different reasons. He can have the most attractive woman in the world but still desire sex with other women half as attractive just for the sake of curiosity itself.

These reasons alone among others are very telling. Even the motivations for engaging in sexual activity is far different among the two. In fact men only have one reason. Women have a laundry list of reasons.

 

[ArcBound]

Rollo Tomassi talks a lot about this. Basically one of the points of spinning plates is to get that attitude that you describe in your post. You don't necessarily need to cheat, but you need to KNOW that you can, and that you have options, and you can walk to one of your other girls in the drop of a hat. It will give you the same attitude without actually having to cheat.

Cheat if you want, I'm not going to be your moral judge, but look at the Married Man forum. A popular topic seems to be about how the husband cheated on the wife and she found out and now he regrets it.

 

[aballer2323]

lol don't cheat. youre a better man than that.

 

[AlphaGhost]

Rollo Tomassi talks a lot about this. Basically one of the points of spinning plates is to get that attitude that you describe in your post. You don't necessarily need to cheat, but you need to KNOW that you can, and that you have options, and you can walk to one of your other girls in the drop of a hat. It will give you the same attitude without actually having to cheat.

Cheat if you want, I'm not going to be your moral judge, but look at the Married Man forum. A popular topic seems to be about how the husband cheated on the wife and she found out and now he regrets it.

So, spinning plates in a LTR or marriage is fine as long as you don't fluvk?


I don't see the point in wasting my time with other women, unless I'm going to bang Em..
Plus I'm sure a women would still take it the same way