It's been 6 months of celibacy. My Mentality.

[Warrior74]

Yup. It's been six months since I've been with a woman. It's also been 6 months since I lost my job. Yes I see the correlation. The reason I say this is because last month (december) was the hardest month of my life. I had to borrow money to buy christmas presents for my kid. The market dried up for the holidays right at the same time that my savings ran out due to an emergency.

This is the longest drought of my life since I started having sex. And to be honest, I've been so concerned with survival that I just haven't really had time to care about it. I realized that I have been thinking about poon none stop lately and I wondered why that was. Oh yah, landed a major client, got a semi-permanent freelance gig with a major company out of china. There's that correlation again.

But here is what I've learned in those 6 months.

I learned to treat women as strictly utilities. If a woman is not helping me make money or doing something I need done, I don't have time for them. The only women I speak to are clients/gatekeepers/sales women. So called female friends? Not one would lend me a dime, not even for my daughters sake. My boys on the other hand came through like champions. I've paid back one already. My boys sent me referrals and clients, my female friends just felt bad and hoped things would work out. I also realized who my true friends were. I had a lot of so called friends run for the hills or leave a man down and not look back.

I learned also how to live on less. How to entertain myself for little to no cash. How to focus. How to read people better. How to stay mentally strong when everyone is like 'Give up, move home with Mom and Dad. You can't start a business with nothing.' Well when nobody is hiring and mcdonalds and walmart is being flooded with job applications, what choice do you have?

I learned that I am overweight because I eat as luxury or when I'm bored. I overeat.. I complained about being fat but never did anything about it. Not having money for food and eating only when I was too hungry to continue working taught me that I was just a fat lazy ass. I knew it, but denied it. I tracked my calories during those hard days, I was averaging between 600 -800 calories a day on the bad days and about 1200 on the good days. Now I'm sticking to about 1300 cals so I can continue to lose weight. The funny thing is, I'm getting compliments on my weight loss. Ha.

I have about 6 more months to go before I can start to say things are starting to look stable, but everyday I'm hustling. I went to lunch today with a hot sales girl who makes 100k a year. People were gawking, she's a hot little 4'9 doll with huge fake tits and a great ass. Drives a brand new SL. You know what? Fvck all that. She introduced me to two possible clients. I helped her with a problem client she had and she returned the favor by helping put money in my pocket. We are going to networking events together. Hell I had to borrow money to buy and tailor the suit I wore today.

The day before New Years Eve I was hired to shoot a birthday party for a 40 year old woman. There were tons of women there. I'm here for the money. I'll chat with them for a minute, if I find out they are broke or have no connections, I'm snapping a picture and moving on. The guy who hired me told me a few of the women were asking who the cute photographer guy was. My response, "that's cool, you got the check?"

In our office we have 3 freelancers including myself. I'm the only one here at 11 at night. I saved a deal for 2k last week. I'm creating a marketing plan for our busy season. I landed a major deal that I spoke of earlier. This is why I get more money than the other two who are a 40 year old woman who wants it handed to her and a 24 year old dude who just wants to party, smoke weed and fvck hoes. I can't blame him. They complain about living at home with their parents (both of them) and they won't put in the work. I get about half of what I bring in the door and I can work on my own freelance work on the side. They get $15 bucks an hour.

That's my mentality these days. Sure I'd like to get laid, but that's why men made porn. I can't afford the distractions right now. I've seen guys start to get ahead and the next thing you know, they are off chasing after poon and are back where they started. If I luck up on some ass, great. If not, great. But if I don't close deals. Not great.

*ninja edit*
I still like coming here to read a few things and to post about game. But honestly, I see so much wasted time energy and potential worrying about women. From my POV it just isn't a luxury I can afford. As the rappers say, I need a down ass bytch, a ride or die bytch. A chick of flakes, she's not a down ass bytch. A chic who doesn't return phone calls, worthless to me. A chic who plays games, worthless. A chic with no money, worthless. A chick playing "gotta wait so many dates and pay my way also" completely worthless. I had a chick I wanted to bone for a while invite me up for the weekend this weekend. Turns out she lives with her mother now and wanted me to take her to dinner, get a hotel room and also take her to the club as she doesn't have a job now. Worthless. Told her I had to work. Which I will, working on my website and writing some emails and creating promotional materials.

 

[backbreaker]

Yup. It's been six months since I've been with a woman. It's also been 6 months since I lost my job. Yes I see the correlation. The reason I say this is because last month (december) was the hardest month of my life. I had to borrow money to buy christmas presents for my kid. The market dried up for the holidays right at the same time that my savings ran out due to an emergency.

This is the longest drought of my life since I started having sex. And to be honest, I've been so concerned with survival that I just haven't really had time to care about it. I realized that I have been thinking about poon none stop lately and I wondered why that was. Oh yah, landed a major client, got a semi-permanent freelance gig with a major company out of china. There's that correlation again.

But here is what I've learned in those 6 months.

I learned to treat women as strictly utilities. If a woman is not helping me make money or doing something I need done, I don't have time for them. The only women I speak to are clients/gatekeepers/sales women. So called female friends? Not one would lend me a dime, not even for my daughters sake. My boys on the other hand came through like champions. I've paid back one already. My boys sent me referrals and clients, my female friends just felt bad and hoped things would work out. I also realized who my true friends were. I had a lot of so called friends run for the hills or leave a man down and not look back.

I learned also how to live on less. How to entertain myself for little to no cash. How to focus. How to read people better. How to stay mentally strong when everyone is like 'Give up, move home with Mom and Dad. You can't start a business with nothing.' Well when nobody is hiring and mcdonalds and walmart is being flooded with job applications, what choice do you have?

I learned that I am overweight because I eat as luxury or when I'm bored. I overeat.. I complained about being fat but never did anything about it. Not having money for food and eating only when I was too hungry to continue working taught me that I was just a fat lazy ass. I knew it, but denied it. I tracked my calories during those hard days, I was averaging between 600 -800 calories a day on the bad days and about 1200 on the good days. Now I'm sticking to about 1300 cals so I can continue to lose weight. The funny thing is, I'm getting compliments on my weight loss. Ha.

I have about 6 more months to go before I can start to say things are starting to look stable, but everyday I'm hustling. I went to lunch today with a hot sales girl who makes 100k a year. People were gawking, she's a hot little 4'9 doll with huge fake tits and a great ass. Drives a brand new SL. You know what? Fvck all that. She introduced me to two possible clients. I helped her with a problem client she had and she returned the favor by helping put money in my pocket. We are going to networking events together. Hell I had to borrow money to buy and tailor the suit I wore today.

The day before New Years Eve I was hired to shoot a birthday party for a 40 year old woman. There were tons of women there. I'm here for the money. I'll chat with them for a minute, if I find out they are broke or have no connections, I'm snapping a picture and moving on. The guy who hired me told me a few of the women were asking who the cute photographer guy was. My response, "that's cool, you got the check?"

In our office we have 3 freelancers including myself. I'm the only one here at 11 at night. I saved a deal for 2k last week. I'm creating a marketing plan for our busy season. I landed a major deal that I spoke of earlier. This is why I get more money than the other two who are a 40 year old woman who wants it handed to her and a 24 year old dude who just wants to party, smoke weed and fvck hoes. I can't blame him. They complain about living at home with their parents (both of them) and they won't put in the work. I get about half of what I bring in the door and I can work on my own freelance work on the side. They get $15 bucks an hour.

That's my mentality these days. Sure I'd like to get laid, but that's why men made porn. I can't afford the distractions right now. I've seen guys start to get ahead and the next thing you know, they are off chasing after poon and are back where they started. If I luck up on some ass, great. If not, great. But if I don't close deals. Not great.

*ninja edit*
I still like coming here to read a few things and to post about game. But honestly, I see so much wasted time energy and potential worrying about women. From my POV it just isn't a luxury I can afford. As the rappers say, I need a down ass bytch, a ride or die bytch. A chick of flakes, she's not a down ass bytch. A chic who doesn't return phone calls, worthless to me. A chic who plays games, worthless. A chic with no money, worthless. A chick playing "gotta wait so many dates and pay my way also" completely worthless. I had a chick I wanted to bone for a while invite me up for the weekend this weekend. Turns out she lives with her mother now and wanted me to take her to dinner, get a hotel room and also take her to the club as she doesn't have a job now. Worthless. Told her I had to work. Which I will, working on my website and writing some emails and creating promotional materials.

dude words cannot fvcking describe how much you sound like me. It's like i'm watching myself talk.

about the business itself, as you know we both dabbled in the same industry and i can tell you December, you might as well treat it like a vacation month. nothing is happening in a freelance industry, because the type of clients that can pay a programmer 50 bucks an hour or 2 thousand dollars to do a photo shoot are the type of clients that get $5,000 Christmas bonuses and go see the grandmother in the outskirts of New york and don't come back until the middle of January. my first year running my web business i ended up eating about 10 grand because i had to basically pay everyone's pay roll out of my pocket. I'd strongly recommend putting a few bucks back every month for a December fund and just bank on taking the last 3 weeks of December off. NO point in beating a dead horse.

Some people think, I'm just a cold blooded bastered by some of my view points and actions, but i've said it before, when you do something like start a business from the ground up and you STICK WITH IT, and you become someone who at that particular time, isn't living up to anyone's expectations of you, and you have nothing at that time to offer anyone, you see things in people that most people just don't see. you see things in people, sides of people, you didn't know was there and you can't forgot. For better or for worse. it's how i have no qualms at all not having a real relationship with my mom. Some might call it a chip on your shoulder, but you are just opening your eyes and seeing the world for what it is, very dog eat dogish.



6 months, man i went 6 times that amount of time without any. I too gained weight, because i had nothing better to do, and because i ate cheap food but that's superficial **** when I started making money the weight came off almost overnight. But, imagine how much it sucks to walk around overweight, yet, not because you are a lazy bum that doesn't give a **** about his appearance, in fact you are probably working harder than anyone you run into, but because every dime you have goes into your business or into marketing or into something that will eventually make your life 100x better, yet at that present time, no one will give you the time of day. it's quite humbling, and to this day it's why I will sleep walk to the gym if i have to. As much as my wife tells me she loves me for me and all that ****, lol, let me gain 20-30 pounds, she' just as superfical as everyone else. I can accecpt that, because if she gained 20-30 pounds i wouldn't want to f her either lol. I can accecpt that for being the honest to god truth today, i don't need to dabble it up with any sentimental hall mark she loves me through thick and thin bull ****.

I too found out how to entertain myself. I found out I like old movies and reading books on history, and documentaries. I can entertain myself to this day quite cheaply.

Some advice.. buckle in lol. what i mean by that is, use the time to your advantage. it's going to take what it's going to take for you to get where you are going. develop some hobbies, some interests. I remember selling myself look, I know it's probably going to be a while before I touch a woman but i will be damned if in those years I'm not a better overall person, not just a guy with more money. I learned how to seriously play the piano in those 3 years,l I learned how to cook better than any woman I have dated since in those 3 years (how i got up to 200 pounds lol), I learned 2 programming languages in those 3 years. I learned how to dress like an adult in those 3 years. I basically became me in those 3 years.

embrace that time. To this day things like, law and order CI, the sopranos, OZ, chicken alfrado, final fantasy video game music (don't ask), arell things that I still find very sentimental to me from that time.

But most importantly, you are trying to achieve something. half the post on this forum are about "how do I gain confidence", or "how do I get her to think I'm this or that".. do something lol worth having confidence in yourself about. which you are now doing. I can talk to women I approach, when I was single and feel good because at my core I felt pretty fvcking good bout myself. I know my interaction with this broad doesn't define who I am, I defined who I am already, she is just either smart enough jump on or she isn't.

 

[Warrior74]

about the business itself, as you know we both dabbled in the same industry and i can tell you December, you might as well treat it like a vacation month. nothing is happening in a freelance industry

Dude. I couldn't buy a gig in December. The contact from China, he took December off and spent it between London, Paris and Hong Kong, he just got back to the States this week. It was well worth the wait.

I found out I like old movies and reading books on history, and documentaries. I can entertain myself to this day quite cheaply.

I'm pretty much the same. I've been on a kurosawa and a Sonny Chiba kick lately and reading a lot of greek and roman philosophy. Apparently nobody goes to the library any more which is great because, hey...free books! I've also gotten back into my first love which is movies. My camera is a dslr, so me and a couple of friends have been making little short films for fun...but that seems a little too much like work as the bulk of my income is from editing video every day. I'm dabbling back in music again. I used to produce electronic music but I want to learn how to actually play guitar so my roommate has been teaching me tablature on his acoustic.

Oh another thing about business and game. This is my 3rd venture. I learned a ton from my first two and I think I'm building a stable foundation this time. I'm learning to leverage other people's skills and how to effectively deal with clients. Before that was my biggest problem. This is one area where I can say game applies. Dealing with a client is like dealing with a woman in many ways. Especially the fact that business owners get approached every day with someone trying to sell them something just like women get approached every day being offered sex. How do you stand out? How do you use your words and appearance to convince them that you have what they really need? How do you build rapport and get past the walls they put up? And when you are cold calling or walking in the door you only have seconds to make it happen. How do you deal with rejection? Because there will be tons of it. How do you keep your head up and just keep calling/walking in? It's a numbers game, you learn from your mistakes, don't beat yourself up and keep pushing. How do you close a deal? You make a ho say no. Unless I get a no several times, I assume it's on. At least I won't get hit with a false harassment charge from trying to earn. Do you know how to size a target up? Do you know how to get past objections? Do you show confidence? Do you seem like a real person and not a player/scummy sales guy? Do you hang out where targets are? I go to networking events because that's where the business people are. They aren't coming to me. Same with chics. I sarge businesses. I called 10 shops today, walked in 5. I got one lead. Tomorrow I'm calling 10 more, but fridays usually suck for me. Calling anyway, I might get lucky. You just put in the work.

 

[backbreaker]

Dude. I couldn't buy a gig in December. The contact from China, he took December off and spent it between London, Paris and Hong Kong, he just got back to the States this week. It was well worth the wait.



I'm pretty much the same. I've been on a kurosawa and a Sonny Chiba kick lately and reading a lot of greek and roman philosophy. Apparently nobody goes to the library any more which is great because, hey...free books! I've also gotten back into my first love which is movies. My camera is a dslr, so me and a couple of friends have been making little short films for fun...but that seems a little too much like work as the bulk of my income is from editing video every day. I'm dabbling back in music again. I used to produce electronic music but I want to learn how to actually play guitar so my roommate has been teaching me tablature on his acoustic.

Oh another thing about business and game. This is my 3rd venture. I learned a ton from my first two and I think I'm building a stable foundation this time. I'm learning to leverage other people's skills and how to effectively deal with clients. Before that was my biggest problem. This is one area where I can say game applies. Dealing with a client is like dealing with a woman in many ways. Especially the fact that business owners get approached every day with someone trying to sell them something just like women get approached every day being offered sex. How do you stand out? How do you use your words and appearance to convince them that you have what they really need? How do you build rapport and get past the walls they put up? And when you are cold calling or walking in the door you only have seconds to make it happen. How do you deal with rejection? Because there will be tons of it. How do you keep your head up and just keep calling/walking in? It's a numbers game, you learn from your mistakes, don't beat yourself up and keep pushing. How do you close a deal? You make a ho say no. Unless I get a no several times, I assume it's on. At least I won't get hit with a false harassment charge from trying to earn. Do you know how to size a target up? Do you know how to get past objections? Do you show confidence? Do you seem like a real person and not a player/scummy sales guy? Do you hang out where targets are? I go to networking events because that's where the business people are. They aren't coming to me. Same with chics. I sarge businesses. I called 10 shops today, walked in 5. I got one lead. Tomorrow I'm calling 10 more, but fridays usually suck for me. Calling anyway, I might get lucky. You just put in the work.

This is actually a very good point. so good a point I am taking time out of an extremely busy ay to respond to this last paragraph.

you are right, dealing with potential clients is pretty much dealing with plates / women.

When I am/was selling a website to someone, I have evolved to take the approach of, I know that we are very good at what we do. That is not up for debate, so I'm not out to prove myself. I'm going to lay out everything that we can do, in a very meticulous and detailed manner, and what happens after that just happens.

Because I realized a while ago, I can't control rather or not a client decides to do business with us. But what I can control, is my second guessing myself, my feeling like I didn't put my best foot forward. In other words, when I approach a client, it has very little to do with the client. If I put my absolute best foot forward and I know I did, and the client doesn't do business with us, he's doing me a favor because he can't see the value in doing business with someone like us. I'm not outcome dependant. I'm presentation dependent.

If I go through a slump, and I know I am putting my best foot forward, I know that I am not targeting my clients, because the only reason I would go through a slump is if I am presenting the information to people who would not understand the value of what we are offering. I generally only deal with tech savvy clients.

that's pretty much how I approach dealing with women, or did when I was single. I'm going to put my best foot forward, and if you like it good if you not take care. I don't second guessing myself becuase I am confident in the product I am selling and I know it's value.

lol my mom and I have our differences, but my mom is probably the most hard core sales woman i have ever seen in my life. she has no nerves whatsoever. she will just go to a new town and go downtown, get out the car and start just walking in businesses trying to sale insurance. and guess what, it works! she will pick up a phone book and just start calling people. she does this once a week actually. she makes around or a tad over 100k a year doing this.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

What you are discovering is the fact that sex does not give you self-esteem, which is the true goal of every man who holds getting laid as a primary absolute of his life.

In remaining strong during your struggle, in casting aside the worthless, in holding your own life as your own highest value, you are discovering that self-esteem is man's highest virtue, and that self-esteem is what you attain from reliance on yourself (not reliance on indiscriminate women to spread their legs for you).

You are holding yourself to the merciless law of causality, which is the true arbiter of a man's life. In time the law of causality loses it's "inhumanity", because you realize that man's highest activity is the discovery of causes and the reaping of their effects. In business, in money, in achievement, in love, no matter what the value is, there is a cause to achieve it and an effect to reward you.

And in regards to sex, sex is an effect, and self-esteem is its cause. I am always preaching this because so many guys are like I used to be, meaning that they fundamentally attempt to reverse the law of causality.

For those who have no self-esteem, sex is a cause and its effect is an empty, hollow feeling. For the man of self-esteem, self-esteem is his primary cause for any action and, with regards to sex, it becomes a celebration of his self-esteem.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Warrior,
The situation you describe is quite horrific.....There is a certain inevitability in it all and you can't blame yourself...lets not kid ourselves we are not going to dig ourselves out of this mess for a long while....
Economically Your Great Nation,seems to have plateaued out,but Europe is only half way there...Even if your nation embarked on a protectionist policy behind the Monroe Line,or if some amazing new technology or energy source,that might create employment were found it would still take years to trickle down to all those underemployed,still no guarantee that the Billions of poorly paid workers in the second and third World wouldn't steal our Ideas...Short of War,we are looking at 7=10 years minimum...
Backbreaker has some excellent ideas for making the most of a bad deal,the only other way out could be to move to an area of higher Employment?

 

[backbreaker]

Dear Warrior,
The situation you describe is quite horrific.....There is a certain inevitability in it all and you can't blame yourself...lets not kid ourselves we are not going to dig ourselves out of this mess for a long while....
Economically Your Great Nation,seems to have plateaued out,but Europe is only half way there...Even if your nation embarked on a protectionist policy behind the Monroe Line,or if some amazing new technology or energy source,that might create employment were found it would still take years to trickle down to all those underemployed,still no guarantee that the Billions of poorly paid workers in the second and third World wouldn't steal our Ideas...Short of War,we are looking at 7=10 years minimum...
Backpackerhas some excellent ideas for making the most of a bad deal,the only other way out could be to move to an area of higher Employment?

he's starting a business/ branching out for himself. he's going to be fine. I've been exact where he is.

It's a very thankless job. Everyone talks about how they want someone with ambition, everyone talks about how they want to be "ambitious" yet nothing could be further from the truth. I found out, the very hard and cold way, what people want is the results from your ambitious lol they don't actually give a **** about you being ambitious or a go getter. The avg person has no idea the self sacrifice that goes into something like seriously starting your own business. The gaining weight, the putting up with fat jokes from people who will never work as hard as you do in their lives at something. At the end of the day people want to be comfortable, at this very moment. they don't think about your feelings or your goals or your desires. That entire experience pretty experience was very Roark esque for me.

But wait when you make a little money or start to have a little success how these tramps and "friends" come out the woodwork. F'em. **** is almost comical how people try to pretend they never did the hurtful things they did or said the things they said or how they didn't' include you in antyhing they did for years now they want to be your best friend because they want to hang with "like minded people" lol.

Like i said, you want to seriously learn about human mnature, go a year or two when you have nothing to offer anyone and see how life treats you.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Some people think, I'm just a cold blooded bastered by some of my view points and actions, but i've said it before, when you do something like start a business from the ground up and you STICK WITH IT, and you become someone who at that particular time, isn't living up to anyone's expectations of you, and you have nothing at that time to offer anyone, you see things in people that most people just don't see. You see things in people, sides of people, you didn't know was there and you can't forgot. For better or for worse.

Agree and been there too, a movie that this reminds me of is the Count of Monte Cristo.

Embrace that time. To this day things like, law and order CI, the sopranos, OZ, chicken alfrado, final fantasy video game music (don't ask), are all things that I still find very sentimental to me from that time.

:yes:

To the OP, that´s why it´s good to save/have some money in a savings account. Some people make 10000k and spend 30000k. At hard times like this, I used to read a red book called "Thick Face, Black Heart". It was written by a chinese woman.

 

[Warrior74]

Dear Warrior,
The situation you describe is quite horrific.....There is a certain inevitability in it all and you can't blame yourself...lets not kid ourselves we are not going to dig ourselves out of this mess for a long while....
Economically Your Great Nation,seems to have plateaued out,but Europe is only half way there...Even if your nation embarked on a protectionist policy behind the Monroe Line,or if some amazing new technology or energy source,that might create employment were found it would still take years to trickle down to all those underemployed,still no guarantee that the Billions of poorly paid workers in the second and third World wouldn't steal our Ideas...Short of War,we are looking at 7=10 years minimum...
Backbreaker has some excellent ideas for making the most of a bad deal,the only other way out could be to move to an area of higher Employment?

Scara, I just got a freelance gig from one of your countrymen. It's a shame when what I charge for work here in the US is considered a deal to brits, chinese and aussies. I signed up for several british and aussie freelance sites last night just to take advantage of that.

I'd move, but I barely get to see my daughter as it is, I can't see moving away unless I already had a very lucrative job or deal lined up.

 

[sodbuster]

Been there, done that...didn't like it much at the time. When it passes, you can concentrate on women again. Right now, I'm going without women ON PURPOSE to concentrate on investing/starting a couple more businesses.... I get more ambitious,more aggressive when I'm without. Figure I have 6 months more of sporadic tail before I get them totally up and running,while I keep the office open.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear BackBreaker,
I am somewhat reassured by your comments on Our Friends problems...."Like i said, you want to seriously learn about human mnature, go a year or two when you have nothing to offer anyone and see how life treats you."........Oh Backbreaker there is a lot to be said for Oscar Wildes witticism,"Ignorance is like a beautiful flower,its petals once touched,destroyed forever"...I am grateful that my journey when compared with yours and Warriors,has really been one long Cruise,One of those lucky guys,for whom to Quote Jack Nicholson,in the Movie,"As good as it gets" Life has been just one long Lunch of Noodle Salad"...
I am intrigued by Phoenix' Book....I guess that it deals with the Cultural Revolution?...This destroyed a whole generation of educated people,Were it not for the incredible depth of Chinese Culture,China might well have gone the Same way as Russia...looking on the bright side,it did give us Westerners,a ten year breathing space before Chinas great Industrial Panjandrum started inexorably rolling across the World,crushing all our manufacturing economies.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Warrior,

Regarding your situation with women, the first thing I thought about was all the lonely women sitting around thinking "where is all the good men?"

It's really telling when a man such as yourself, who truly lives up to his username 'warrior', is taking the challenges in this world head on, to make his situation better against a lot of odds. Yet, women tend to not add 'value', so they are ignored, and passed on. I can't help but wonder how women in the past managed to bring value, instead of thinking life is a cushy reality show, or soap opera, where around the corner some chump is there, ready to cater to their every need.

I would do the same thing in your situation. When you break things down and look at resources, all of them, time, energy, money. Setting goals is what makes men successful. If women are not going to add resources towards achieving your goals, it's good to have the strength to realize that and keep your gears grinding forward.

The future is full of rewards for your efforts, Warrior.

 

[backbreaker]

Warrior,

Regarding your situation with women, the first thing I thought about was all the lonely women sitting around thinking "where is all the good men?"

It's really telling when a man such as yourself, who truly lives up to his username 'warrior', is taking the challenges in this world head on, to make his situation better against a lot of odds. Yet, women tend to not add 'value', so they are ignored, and passed on. I can't help but wonder how women in the past managed to bring value, instead of thinking life is a cushy reality show, or soap opera, where around the corner some chump is there, ready to cater to their every need.

I would do the same thing in your situation. When you break things down and look at resources, all of them, time, energy, money. Setting goals is what makes men successful. If women are not going to add resources towards achieving your goals, it's good to have the strength to realize that and keep your gears grinding forward.

The future is full of rewards for your efforts, Warrior.

I thought you were going to go down a different path when Iread your first senteance

women say where are all the good men.

the paradox of the avg ,hb 7-8 woman. she wants a good man,she is too short sighted to find and keep one. Regardless of what she tells you, she won't be as interested in warrior as the guy who is happened to be naturally skinny and has a shiny new (used) infiniti G35 coupe and has a decent wardrobe. lol that's somethign else i can already tell warrior and I share, I'm not naturally fat by any means, but i have to work at being thin. it's not something that comes natural.

the avg woman keeps playing black jack and keeps hitting on 18 hoping to get 21 and keeps going over. she looks at warrior and this skinny guy, she takes the skinny guy. 3 years later he has the same dead end job and is upside down on his used cope, his metabolism is also starting to slow down, he has no real ambition, he's a party guy. she wants him to be what warrior now has become, when she could have had that in the first place. so now she goes to warrior, and warrior, now that he's starting to taste some of the fruits of his labor, is dating who he damn well wants to date not who falls in his lap, driving what he wants to drive, living where he wants to live, and the same woman who passed him up becuase she wasn't 'feeling it' 2 years ago, now is calling him an ******* because he's dating a woman 10 years younger than he is. this is the first woman that wills cream fro the top of her lungs that you need to "man up and stop dating little girls'

that is the paradox of the HB7-8 "where are the good men" women.

that 3 years and how i was treated squished just about every last morsel of give Damneess i have about the avg woman's feelings if you can't tell lol. I ont' start off giving a damn anymore. you have to build up to me giving a damn.

 

[Desdinova]

I certainly applaud your focus on trying to get your life back on track. The most important thing in your life is yourself, your well being, and your survival. You need that before you can be an upstanding male role-model for a woman. That being said...

I learned to treat women as strictly utilities. If a woman is not helping me make money or doing something I need done, I don't have time for them.

There's another angle that you may not have seen with this... A woman can be a cheerleader and a valuable support when you're feeling lost and worn out from fighting the battles that life can throw your way. This may sound cold, but I've used women for this very purpose. Once I'm back on my feet, I throw them away. You don't even need to fvck them, just spend a little time with them. If they're sexually interested in you, they can and WILL wait for sex.

 

[backbreaker]

I certainly applaud your focus on trying to get your life back on track. The most important thing in your life is yourself, your well being, and your survival. You need that before you can be an upstanding male role-model for a woman. That being said...



There's another angle that you may not have seen with this... A woman can be a cheerleader and a valuable support when you're feeling lost and worn out from fighting the battles that life can throw your way. This may sound cold, but I've used women for this very purpose. Once I'm back on my feet, I throw them away. You don't even need to fvck them, just spend a little time with them. If they're sexually interested in you, they can and WILL wait for sex.

on the other hand, women can and usually are a deterrent.

from my experience, the path warrior is on has to be traveled by himself. Not because women suck or antyhing like that, but people as a rule of thumb, don't like to be uncomfortable. they don't like not having a full pantry of groceries, they don't like not having their electric bill paid on time. Everyone is rah rah when you have an idea but she will quickly become his coach the second real adversity hit and always steer him in the direction that makes HER feel the most comfortable, not necessarily the direction he needs to go in.

women have no problem being cheerleaders, as long as they can show up to the game in their convertible after spending the last hour at the mall eating in the food court lol


Also even the most sexual of relationships takes time to nurish, something warrior doesn't have.

 

[Mr.Positive]

from my experience, the path warrior is on has to be traveled by himself. Not because women suck or antyhing like that, but people as a rule of thumb, don't like to be uncomfortable. they don't like not having a full pantry of groceries, they don't like not having their electric bill paid on time.

Yet ironically these same women often rack up mountains of credit card debt buying worthless things.

For the most part, this is a modern creation. I agree with you backbreaker, but also think back on a lot of our family histories. A lot of us came from ancestors, that came to this country with nothing but the shirts on their backs. Their women worked hard to, and together, they built successful lives.

In the past, women would support men...but also, fill in the cracks of what was needed to help their men achieve their goals. If the pantry wasn't filled with groceries, the women wouldn't complain, but get out there and plant a damn garden. A fed man has a better chance of succeeding than a starving man.

 

[zekko]

If the pantry wasn't filled with groceries, the women wouldn't complain, but get out there and plant a damn garden. A fed man has a better chance of succeeding than a starving man.

Now days, if the man is starving and failing, it's easier for women to just change men than it is to get out there and plant the garden. It's part of the disposable nature of our society. Marriages aren't expected to last anymore. There's no stigma to getting a divorce, feminism may even encourage it ("Be sure you get what you deserve out of him").

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Zecko,
"get out there and plant the garden."You must have been reading "Grapes of Wrath"....In Western Countries this is not the way it is...I plant a garden,have been doing that since I was a kid...Better Food much more nutritious...very relaxing exercise,more rewarding than children...The Poor?...A joke in this Country at least...They do very well thanks...Generally they buy Take-away food until the Welfare cheque is spent,then they eke out an existence giving the kids Toast and Jam...Grow a Garden?they can't even cook Veggies...At our Local Church,we have a little charity shop for the "Poor"...well it is mostly patronised by middle class Asians,one of whom rocks up in a Lexus...There are a very few Struggling Single Mums,but even they wont be bothered to take home Potatoes with dirt on them.I seriously doubt they could peel a spud and boil it...Its hard to Squeeze demeaning subjects like Cookery in between Wimmins (Stet) History and Life Oriented Studies,this is what is seen today as the real Nuts and Bolts of Modern life.....Interesting... When I taught in a Tertiary College we offered a course in Food Management...One of the subjects that was not accepted as a pre-requisite was Home Economics...
Coming back to our little shop,I gave up donating,when the Convenor,a lovely Lady,(May her Reward be eternal Peace in Paradise),announced that from now on,they would not accept Tinned food without a ring Pull,as her little charges felt challenged by tin openers.

 

[Boilermaker]

Warrior women are not utilities if you have your own resources..

Props to you in your ambitions and recent client but your slightly misanthropic touch bothered me.

It's sad that it has to come to this, money/hot pvssy or connections, all for me otherwise you are out mentality.
Cheers,

 

[backbreaker]

Warrior women are not utilities if you have your own resources..

Props to you in your ambitions and recent client but your slightly misanthropic touch bothered me.

It's sad that it has to come to this, money/hot pvssy or connections, all for me otherwise you are out mentality.
Cheers,

he's a lot closer to the truth than a lot few guys, even here, want to believe.


the problem with most guys, even here.... just too god amn.... lol, nice. i WTF have any of these women done to you to go out of your way to give them all the benefit of the doubt and be so damn overly cautious with. I mean, in real life i"m not what you would call a jerk, or even heartless though my post may seem so, but a woman has to earn any type of feelings she has with me or else i'm goign to look out for number 1 in every last action i take.
as rollo points out often the guys are the romantics. we want to believe or you want to believe in this hall mark equqe **** that just doesn't e
the same way warrior is looking at these women, the women are looking like you are their long lost love and ****. the truth is at the beginning of any relationship, nothing is there, and in that case, yes she is a "utility". WTF can you do for me that is going to add value to my life. if you can't and any value to m life as it is you need to go. That's, exactly how women look at you.

I don't want to say be a jerk, b ut you need loosen up that tie and become a little bit more selfish and even more so honesty abut what you want out of a woman.

it's like the old saying that the AFC's real problem is that he tries to act like he is "above" the **** the DJ wants like he wants something more when in reality he wants the exact same thing, he just tries to go about it in a different, more feminist way, instead of being a man he tries to bond with the woman and ti's a turn off to women.

game, in a nutshell is just being brutally honest and not being afraid to live with the consequences either way. warrior is being 100% honest./ if you can't add value to my life as it is you need to go. you either respect it or you don't. it doesn't mean he hates women. doesn't mean he looks down on them. just means he doesn't have time for the BSE and you are either on board or you aren't.