It seems to me that women become predators towards beta males

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You have to understand the male narcissistic mind. It's like criticizing a drug addict to tell these guys they have no power over women.


Normal men lol
No, just you and a few others on here.

None of the guys I know including myself who actually get women don't think like that lol not at all. They don't play victim and they damn sure don't think women have power over them lol

The only guys I know who think like y'all are the ones who are frustrated because there not doing good with women.

When someone is successful at something they don't view it in a negative way, that's usually the mindset of someone who's not doing all that great.
 

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I wonder how much of this is socially learned and how much is biological.

Sometime its the other way around, men taking advantage of some women.

Men imo get caught in those more often because women are way more subtle when they pull men into their frame and they are way better at playing the long game.
 

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I wonder how much of this is socially learned and how much is biological.

Sometime its the other way around, men taking advantage of some women.

Men imo get caught in those more often because women are way more subtle when they pull men into their frame and they are way better at playing the long game.
And when a man gets gamed by a women and falls into her frame, who's fault would you say that Is?

Your answer will let you know what side of the fence your on.
 

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And when a man gets gamed by a women and falls into her frame, who's fault would you say that Is?

Your answer will let you know what side of the fence your on.
Ofc its the man s fault,


But on longer relation or ltr it can get tricky.

I think its ez to control the frame when things start but after some time it can get way harder.
 

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Ofc its the man s fault,


But on longer relation or ltr it can get tricky.

I think its ez to control the frame when things start but after some time it can get way harder.
I did a lot of research on personality types ECT and I remember reading how guys who are tough minded and no nonsense are very difficult to manipulate.

Guys who are nice and very agreeable tend to be very easy to manipulate AKA easy to fall into someone's frame.

It's a personality thing, I think a lot of guys should do some research on that, it will give a better understanding of things like this.
 

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I did a lot of research on personality types ECT and I remember reading how guys who are tough minded and no nonsense are very difficult to manipulate.

Guys who are nice and very agreeable tend to be very easy to manipulate AKA easy to fall into someone's frame.

It's a personality thing, I think a lot of guys should do some research on that, it will give a better understanding of things like this.
Good point there.
I might go looking for some book on this.
 

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I think its ez to control the frame when things start but after some time it can get way harder.
Having a manly or masculine frame makes it relatively easy in pulling women or in short term relationships. But it is not enough.

A man's frame is 100% this when collapsed; core values + knowledge + how he does things.

A man can't change his core values, what he can change is how he thinks. And that involves gaining more knowledge.

The more knowledge a man gains the more it influences how he does things to better reflect the outcome he desires.
 
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