"It gets easier with age" not quite...

[zekko]

You know I love your posts, but having fun is not immature. The immature environment of 20´s club, is just the most competive you can get.

I'm sure it's competitive. Having fun is not immature, but if you are a 30-40 year old guy, the company is going to seem a little immature if you are surrounded by a bunch of 22 year old guys.

Also, when I got to a certain age, I started to appreciate fun that had more of a productive element to it. Instead of just talking and drinking, it was a lot more satisfying to be hiking, climbing, playing music, whatever.

This post was intended to those who think that their ability to score 10´s will shoot as they age, they just need to get older and do nothing.

I don't believe in 10s. But regardless, you raise a good point. The reason it gets easier when you get older is because you have had time to build up your value. All of your self improvement efforts have had time to take effect. But if you've wasted your 20s and not hammered yourself into a better man, that's when you become the creepy old loser guy. Like Nismo says, if you are a high value man, you can get attractive women. I still have never banged a woman in her 40s or over.

You usually say, one learns to appreciate women in their thirties and older, but that´s when you are much older and the women of your age are just repulsive... then even a 30 yo average woman might seem hot to you... I often see older men being quite impressionable with younger chicks even when they are average...

I'm sure there's some truth in there. I look in the mirror everyday and I'm used to seeing my 52 year old face all the time, you're right, a lot of younger women look good to me. The thiing is, you're 25, you don't have to worry about what will look good to you when you get older. That will take care of itself.

Obviously you haven't learned to appreciate older women yet, but Jaylan's right, there are a lot of very hot women in their late 20s. Shoot, I know women in their 50s who are hot, but of course they're a lot fewer and farther between. Younger girls have a certain look, it's true, but realistically I'm probably not going to want to hang out with an 18 year old girl, she would be too immature for me.

Another thing that makes it easier when you get older is your hormones aren't so intense, so you have more control over your desire, and therefore aren't so outcome dependent. You can take them or leave them. You also have more experience under your belt, so you don't make as many mistakes.

 

[Zarky]

I'm not disagreeing that it gets easier with age. I think for the majority of guys it certainly does get easier with age. The guys for whom it doesn't get easier with age are the guys who "peak" in their early 20s.

If you're a really attractive dude with game in your early 20s and are banging tons of hotties, then I think that will be your peak and age won't increase your luck because you've already maxed it out.

Those are the guys who are usually married with kids by the time they're my age, and often not very happy.

The guys for whom age makes things easier are guys like myself, who had a small amount of luck when younger but were hampered by not being very hunky or "hot" or exciting in a young-girl sense of the word.

I couldn't get laid to save my life back in my early- and mid-20s, even after having read "game theory" online for years. I was nerdy and introverted, and that killed all my chances.

It was only in my 30s that I started breaking through that shell and I'm still doing it to this day. Every year I get more and more open & extroverted, and more and more lays, so I'm looking forward to the future.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I'm not disagreeing that it gets easier with age. I think for the majority of guys it certainly does get easier with age. The guys for whom it doesn't get easier with age are the guys who "peak" in their early 20s.

If you're a really attractive dude with game in your early 20s and are banging tons of hotties, then I think that will be your peak and age won't increase your luck because you've already maxed it out.

Those are the guys who are usually married with kids by the time they're my age, and often not very happy.

The guys for whom age makes things easier are guys like myself, who had a small amount of luck when younger but were hampered by not being very hunky or "hot" or exciting in a young-girl sense of the word.

I couldn't get laid to save my life back in my early- and mid-20s, even after having read "game theory" online for years. I was nerdy and introverted, and that killed all my chances.

It was only in my 30s that I started breaking through that shell and I'm still doing it to this day. Every year I get more and more open & extroverted, and more and more lays, so I'm looking forward to the future.

But you are online dating mostly average 30 year olds right? If you could've somehow became more open and extraverted at least 10-15 years ago, you might've been banging those hot, luscious young girls. I know on pof and okcupid being in my 30's, the websites don't even display hardly any women younger than late 20's and about all that replies is 30-40 year olds. I think that can be a valid strategy for a non-extraverted guy over 30. But a lot of guys don't want these average 30-40 year old online women.

 

[Zarky]

If you could've somehow became more open and extraverted at least 10-15 years ago, you might've been banging those hot, luscious young girls.

Absolutely, but I wasn't, so...

But a lot of guys don't want these average 30-40 year old online women.

That's very true, but a lot of guys choose to have nothing rather than settle for average-looking women. I'm personally an incredibly average to just below-average guy. "Game" alone raises me to about a 6. I'd be a 4 without game. PLUS I'm looking for women who will f*ck me on the first date.

So here I am, an absolutely average guy trying to bang as many women on the first date as I can. They're not going to be hot 22 year olds. I'm perfectly aware of my own limitations. They're going to be mid-30s to mid-40s, average looking women.

If I were willing to wait till date 2, 3, 5.. I'm sure I could score hotter & younger women. But I'm not. A really pretty 25 year old isn't going to be putting out on the first date unless the guy is really attractive and possibly loaded, with exceptional game. That's not me, never has been, never will be.

If that's you, then by all means you should be going for far younger and more attractive women than I do. But if you're like me, you're going to be alone if you try that.

 

[Mike32ct]

Man.... that´s a dark future. Hope I won´t be in a situation like that, and you turn your thing around

I hear ya. I'm working on improving my situation to the extent possible . Thanks.

I don't mean to sound all gloom and doom. It's not THAT bad, but definitely different and more challenging. Basically, older guys often have to adapt and approach the game a bit differently. It might mean older women, more online dating, etc. Every guy's situation is different.

I actually have nothing against dating or hooking up with 30s and even low 40s women. I'm not as into looks as I was when I was in my 20s. The tricky part is finding one who just wants the D (with a guy close to her age), assuming she's not relationship material.

But perhaps I slightly under-rate myself sometimes. A female friend of mine is a HB7.5 lawyer. She's 36, but still quite pretty. She wants to fix me up with this 30 year old HB7.5. I always liked the 30 yo chick, but didn't think I really had a chance with her. (I know who she is, but we haven't officially met since she's on the outer fringes of the social circle.) But, regardless of how it turns out, I'm flattered that another female thinks enough of me to actually SUGGEST it. (As a general rule of thumb, most females will NOT try to fix you up with someone they believe is out of your league.)

I also have another "get laid in Vegas" mission coming up before year-end.

But ultimately, OP, have as much fun with the young hotties NOW as you can, while still trying to grow and improve for the future.

But over time, you do evolve and change. When I was say 22, I thought 30+ women were DISGUSTING. Now, I would b*ng a 35 yo without thinking twice about it . The tricky part is finding the right ones where there is a mutual attraction. It's not impossible, but definitely more challenging than when I was say 28.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Exactly, you improved your situation which is ALWAYS something to be happy about. Now, you just testify my point one can get more *****, but not necessarily those super hot we want. That gets more difficult. How are you going to meet 22 yo when you are 40? Very, very difficult.

Absolutely, but I wasn't, so...


That's very true, but a lot of guys choose to have nothing rather than settle for average-looking women. I'm personally an incredibly average to just below-average guy. "Game" alone raises me to about a 6. I'd be a 4 without game. PLUS I'm looking for women who will f*ck me on the first date.

So here I am, an absolutely average guy trying to bang as many women on the first date as I can. They're not going to be hot 22 year olds. I'm perfectly aware of my own limitations. They're going to be mid-30s to mid-40s, average looking women.

If I were willing to wait till date 2, 3, 5.. I'm sure I could score hotter & younger women. But I'm not. A really pretty 25 year old isn't going to be putting out on the first date unless the guy is really attractive and possibly loaded, with exceptional game. That's not me, never has been, never will be.

If that's you, then by all means you should be going for far younger and more attractive women than I do. But if you're like me, you're going to be alone if you try that.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Thanks . And go for that hb 7.5. I´m certain you deserve it. Probably she also as a lot of issues, as we all do. Most people are not their secure of themselves when they answer honestly. Many of us are calibrated to behave in a slightly overconfident/arrogant way when in a social gathering, which is totally different than our real selves.

She might very well look at you as too good for her, because she knows all of her flaws..

I hear ya. I'm working on improving my situation to the extent possible . Thanks.

I don't mean to sound all gloom and doom. It's not THAT bad, but definitely different and more challenging. Basically, older guys often have to adapt and approach the game a bit differently. It might mean older women, more online dating, etc. Every guy's situation is different.

I actually have nothing against dating or hooking up with 30s and even low 40s women. I'm not as into looks as I was when I was in my 20s. The tricky part is finding one who just wants the D (with a guy close to her age), assuming she's not relationship material.

But perhaps I slightly under-rate myself sometimes. A female friend of mine is a HB7.5 lawyer. She's 36, but still quite pretty. She wants to fix me up with this 30 year old HB7.5. I always liked the 30 yo chick, but didn't think I really had a chance with her. (I know who she is, but we haven't officially met since she's on the outer fringes of the social circle.) But, regardless of how it turns out, I'm flattered that another female thinks enough of me to actually SUGGEST it. (As a general rule of thumb, most females will NOT try to fix you up with someone they believe is out of your league.)

I also have another "get laid in Vegas" mission coming up before year-end.

But ultimately, OP, have as much fun with the young hotties NOW as you can, while still trying to grow and improve for the future.

But over time, you do evolve and change. When I was say 22, I thought 30+ women were DISGUSTING. Now, I would b*ng a 35 yo without thinking twice about it . The tricky part is finding the right ones where there is a mutual attraction. It's not impossible, but definitely more challenging than when I was say 28.

 

[Jaylan]

Hi Jaylan! Yes, there are still hot girls in late twenties. But it´s no quite the same, I like to fight for the best, and women in their early twenties are so much hotter, tight body, flawless skin, perfect hair... and I´m still able to pull 18-23, which is still near my age. But it worries me a lot, to think the situation might be different 5 years from now.

I see many single and married guys in their 30´s, very unsatisfied with their situation, it might be that they never were good with women, and they still haven´t any game. But those in relationship stare at younger women, with that sight of desperation of "I will never be to touch something like that again). I´m not saying personality isn´t of great importance, but we just prefer very hot women...

About commitment, I also have that problem. Your girl after 2years of relationship will have a completely different body, most likely for the worse.

Well dude, lets be realistic here. WE ALL AGE. And on top of that, many people dont age well because they dont take care of themselves. I drink tons of water, eat decently, work out 4 times a week, keep my teeth nice and take my vitamins. Im almost 27 but usually no one thinks Im over 22/23.

And trust me, Ive heard your complaints from a few older women as well. There are older women whove aged well who cant stand how older guys let themselves go. At the end of the day you both have to realize looks arent everything, as cliche as that sounds. Like I said, we all age.

Im not saying to drop your standards, never that. Maybe move? There are certain cities where they are plenty of hot, in shape women from 25 to 40. Ill only ever wife up a fitness girl because I want us to have shared interests and to stay sexy for each other, but I know Ill have a lot of competition for the woman I want. Smart, independent, sexy, adventurous girls who work out have options.

But it is what it is.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Thanks again, always appreciate what you have to say.
Look, the goal of this thread was to accomplish two things, first, as you know lots of older guys dismiss younger ones, when in reality and regardless having less experience, younger guys (-35) are in a much better position to score really hot and young women. And also, many guys think they just need to grow old that hotties will come to them, which is false. Many guys start to make "success" with total average women, just because they are in a period of their lives when they MUST get married ASAP, after 24/25, women start panicking about marriage. Or their standards just lower..

Contrary to 80% of sosuave I love women, and can totally predict their behavior, most guys behave like submissive animals, and women despise that. Not being apologetic about the situations they totally misbehave, but men are not better than women. Although I cannot help to feel frustrated with their aging rate, which in general is much faster than a men´s. Your hot 35 yo. Hollywood actress with the best treatments and personal trainers, doesn´t have a chance with 19-22 Hottie you see every weekend in the club. While if you pick male actors, you do have lots of guys in their twenties dying in the gym to accomplish something remotely similar to Brad Pitt in the movie Troy (he was 43 i guess). If a guy is smart he can look as good, or even better later in life (until a certain point), gray hairs and wrinkles do distinguish a lot guys. Of course they still have the problem of not being able to fvck 21 yo as easily... no social circle in common, and older guys cold approaching much younger women is just scary...

Well dude, lets be realistic here. WE ALL AGE. And on top of that, many people dont age well because they dont take care of themselves. I drink tons of water, eat decently, work out 4 times a week, keep my teeth nice and take my vitamins. Im almost 27 but usually no one thinks Im over 22/23.

And trust me, Ive heard your complaints from a few older women as well. There are older women whove aged well who cant stand how older guys let themselves go. At the end of the day you both have to realize looks arent everything, as cliche as that sounds. Like I said, we all age.

Im not saying to drop your standards, never that. Maybe move? There are certain cities where they are plenty of hot, in shape women from 25 to 40. Ill only ever wife up a fitness girl because I want us to have shared interests and to stay sexy for each other, but I know Ill have a lot of competition for the woman I want. Smart, independent, sexy, adventurous girls who work out have options.

But it is what it is.

 

[Jaylan]

Look, the bottom line is youth is attractive in humans. Some people age very well and look youthful as they get older, while other dont. Brad Pitt at 40 in Troy looked amazing, and Kate Beckinsale has still been sexy as hell in her recent roles despite pushing 40 as well.

If you actually pulled up IMBD sometime and looked up actors you see in films, you can get fooled by ages a lot. Aaron Yoo was 26 when filming Disturbia with Shia Lebouf. He was playing a teenager, and very much looked like it. Remember Lori (Lisa Robin Kelley) from That 70s Show? She started that role at 28 and looked younger than that, as she was playing Erics college aged sister. Shes also a good example of what hard living can do to screw up your looks. As she got older, alcoholism and hard living aged her very quickly.

These may be exceptions to the rule, but good genetics and taking care of yourself help a lot. Leaving your 20s doesnt have to be the end of the world. And a relationship is more than just looks. Sex is more than just looks as well. Im not saying looks arent a big factor, just that you should place such a big focus on it OP.

 

[BeDJ]

Contrary to 80% of sosuave I love women, and can totally predict their behavior

lolwut?

 

[Zarky]

Exactly, you improved your situation which is ALWAYS something to be happy about.

Thank you, finally someone who understands. Game has let me improve my situation past the point that I ever thought possible.

I was a f*cking pathetic loser-ass motherfuc*ker until I was about 28 years old. And this, even after 9 years of learning game up until that point!!! It's taken me many, many years to even come close to being desirable.

So people b*tch at me for banging 5s and 6s, but I tell you, if I knew nothing about game I would either be incel right now at the age of 38 or would be banging literally 2s and 3s. Banging 5s and 6s on the first date is a huge achievement for me.

Banging 47+ chicks in the course of my 38 years is extraordinary for me, no matter what those b*tches looked like. A broke-ass motherf*cker with below-average looks, no money, no home, banging 6s on the first date?!?!? Now that's something to write home about. And I'm proud of it!!

You might not be. You might be far better than that. Good for you, consider yourself extremely lucky and talented. I'm not. You might be too good for 6s and below. I ain't.

 

[synergy1]

But you are online dating mostly average 30 year olds right? If you could've somehow became more open and extraverted at least 10-15 years ago, you might've been banging those hot, luscious young girls. I know on pof and okcupid being in my 30's, the websites don't even display hardly any women younger than late 20's and about all that replies is 30-40 year olds. I think that can be a valid strategy for a non-extraverted guy over 30. But a lot of guys don't want these average 30-40 year old online women.

My experience has been similar to what this post describes. Most hot women ( not all) usually don't respond to initial messages. This includes most 23-30 year old women and is mostly irrespective of age. If a women is cute and has more options, I usually don't get the nod. Most email initiations come from women at my age or older, and are obviously not hot.

another avenue that no one has mentioned yet is an application called tinder. It is more anonymous than a dating web page. Basically it is the Iphone/ android equivalent of hot or not and you click yes or no on a picture based only on a few pictures and a few words. The age spread of interested women seems to be more on this than on the dating web site - my best match was a smoking hot 19 yo. Most are anywhere from 21 to my age. Still it seems most of the hot women click no ( there is no way to know unless you have a great memory) - but if you keep at it, there will be hot women who say yes. If you live near a major city, there is no reason NOT to be using this.

 

[Zarky]

^^^^ If that's anything like Blendr or Stalkr or whatever the other ones are, what I've noticed is that very few white girls use it in my area. In SoCal it's all hispanic and black chicks. Not really sure why that is.

EDIT:

Just checked it out and Tindr seems to require you to log in with your facebook profile. No way I'm gonna do that, so no to that one.

 

[donking]

Just open direct, "Would you like to go out for lunch." Hit rate is probably 25-35% and go from there. You really only need 3-4 girls for company at any one time. No one has time for more.

Some of the most desperate girls have high status degrees and careers. The loneliest person is a female doctor.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think of it as a sum of looks AND experience.

Younger guys have less experience, but more looks (typically).

Older guys have more experience and (typically) less looks.

You need some elements of BOTH to score.

Some guys peak in the game in low 30s because they might still look late 20s AND have a decade of experience. THAT is a potent combination. But eventually there does come a point where age is increasing and the looks are declining and increases in experience are negligible and not really as helpful anymore.

You obviously know your stuff, OP. As an older guy, the BEST advice I can give you is to use your gut NOW so you don't miss opportunities. Older guys think back about interactions with women where she was clearly DTF, but we were too naïve to see it at the time. Then we think "Damn, I should have &*#%-ed her when I had the chance. I was so stupid. If I knew THEN what I know NOW, I would have nailed her lol."

Most women just give little hints that they want you. You have to sniff them out and call their bluff. It's sort of like that "Biggest Come Ons that were Missed Thread." If you don't take the bait, they move on. It's generally a limited time offer.

Did I miss some golden opportunities several years ago? Yes, regrettably. But I also properly seized some opportunities and hit some home runs .

Summary: It's ok to get older. It's not ok to be the older guy who is kicking himself LOL .

Thanks again, always appreciate what you have to say.
Look, the goal of this thread was to accomplish two things, first, as you know lots of older guys dismiss younger ones, when in reality and regardless having less experience, younger guys (-35) are in a much better position to score really hot and young women. And also, many guys think they just need to grow old that hotties will come to them, which is false. Many guys start to make "success" with total average women, just because they are in a period of their lives when they MUST get married ASAP, after 24/25, women start panicking about marriage. Or their standards just lower..

Contrary to 80% of sosuave I love women, and can totally predict their behavior, most guys behave like submissive animals, and women despise that. Not being apologetic about the situations they totally misbehave, but men are not better than women. Although I cannot help to feel frustrated with their aging rate, which in general is much faster than a men´s. Your hot 35 yo. Hollywood actress with the best treatments and personal trainers, doesn´t have a chance with 19-22 Hottie you see every weekend in the club. While if you pick male actors, you do have lots of guys in their twenties dying in the gym to accomplish something remotely similar to Brad Pitt in the movie Troy (he was 43 i guess). If a guy is smart he can look as good, or even better later in life (until a certain point), gray hairs and wrinkles do distinguish a lot guys. Of course they still have the problem of not being able to fvck 21 yo as easily... no social circle in common, and older guys cold approaching much younger women is just scary...

 

[skinnyguy]

Yes most chicks age 25-35 are taken, if they are good looking.

I'm 31 but I look much younger, like 21. I could go to college bars and pass for a college guy. I'm hoping that I reach my prime when I'm around 38.