"It gets easier with age" not quite...

[JdelaSilviera]

Although I´m 25, and too young to know if it will get easier or more difficult, I can tell already what I observe.

If you go to any club, and see a guy 30+ (unless he looks very young) hitting on early twenties 20-23, generally he will look like a creep and won´t have a chance. Let alone 40 or 50 yo... Although they might get easier pvssy with women around their age, but it´s because of the fact that women become self conscious and their standards lower greatly. Your chances of getting HOT girls as you age, decreases.. although access to general pvssy might be easier.


Many guys in their late twenties, start scoring a lot with girls around 25, thinking they now are the sh*t, because of their new job, new found confidence etc. what they seem to ignore, it´s that the precise age women bodies start to decline and marriage desperation initiates. I compare girls around my age to early twenties, and there is no comparison whatsoever, I now notice that younger girls 18-23, just drive me nuts, their bodies all of sudden seem irresistible because I´m used to hang around 25-30 women.

Another think I noticed from the 7-8 couples I met this summer, is that they are amazingly paired according to their looks. 4s with 4s, 7s with 7s, I was really astonished. Of course, inner confidence helps and it´s always attractive, but looks are ridiculously important. Want hotter girls, become yourself hot, and your chances of becoming hot are better while you are young. So work that body

And it does make sense looks, would be the deal breaker. You see a lot of guys with confidence, even the regular taxi-driver is super confident-alpha, but you see few guys in great shape, or great looks...

 

[Mike32ct]

Very true. I agree with all of the above.

 

[synergy1]

To say it gets easier with age does indeed carry a caveat with it - you eventually preclude yourself from certain age groups based on your looks. By that I simply mean if you look 35 and are 29, women who don't want to date 35 year olds won't. (lets exclude the actual looks argument for this post). The OP is correct in stating that women closer to my age, early 30s, are easier. This is due to their SMV ( sexual market value for the noobs) declining greatly. No one wants a 30 year old women when they can date 5-10 years younger without a second thought. However, even being in shape and not looking my age, its starting to limit me in the women I can date on the young end of the scale. Most women where I live are already paired up, and no worth while single women is single for long.

However this argument about age changes depending where you are and the culture. Its possible to date young hot women in a place where people are single later. Not everyone is paired up, and both sides have to compete a bit more than they would in a culture where everyone shacks up and lets themselves go.

Its funny the OP mentions this. I am at a point in my life where I feel like the window to snag a hot early 20's women is fading ( yes I know this isn't a good mentality). everyone by 30 is on their second kid, house etc. Not quite fitting in that regard means fewer networking opportunities for meeting quality attractive women. This is where the dreaded scarcity mentality seems to be setting in, and this is a sure fire way to a bad relationship IMO. So than I guess my question to the community is what is a guy in their 30s to do?

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Yep, very good question. The only thing I can say, is going out as much as you can to beat the odds (clubbing, sports, social activities like volunteering or religious groups)...

To say it gets easier with age does indeed carry a caveat with it - you eventually preclude yourself from certain age groups based on your looks. By that I simply mean if you look 35 and are 29, women who don't want to date 35 year olds won't. (lets exclude the actual looks argument for this post). The OP is correct in stating that women closer to my age, early 30s, are easier. This is due to their SMV ( sexual market value for the noobs) declining greatly. No one wants a 30 year old women when they can date 5-10 years younger without a second thought. However, even being in shape and not looking my age, its starting to limit me in the women I can date on the young end of the scale. Most women where I live are already paired up, and no worth while single women is single for long.

However this argument about age changes depending where you are and the culture. Its possible to date young hot women in a place where people are single later. Not everyone is paired up, and both sides have to compete a bit more than they would in a culture where everyone shacks up and lets themselves go.

Its funny the OP mentions this. I am at a point in my life where I feel like the window to snag a hot early 20's women is fading ( yes I know this isn't a good mentality). everyone by 30 is on their second kid, house etc. Not quite fitting in that regard means fewer networking opportunities for meeting quality attractive women. This is where the dreaded scarcity mentality seems to be setting in, and this is a sure fire way to a bad relationship IMO. So than I guess my question to the community is what is a guy in their 30s to do?

 

[Zarky]

If you go to any club, and see a guy 30+ (unless he looks very young) hitting on early twenties 20-23, generally he will look like a creep

Guys in their 30s and older generally don't go to clubs.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

A lot of them go. Of course if you don´t, you don´t know who´s inside..

 

[zekko]

Guys in their 30s and older generally don't go to clubs.

Yeah, I agree with that. Although a lot of the PUA gurus are in their 30s and probably 40s by now. Does that mean they can't pick up? I doubt that they choose venues where everybody is 22. There are more upscale places. Besides, one of the charms of the older man is that he has moved beyond that sort of immature scene.

 

[jimjam]

Hugh heffner

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Yeah, I agree with that. Although a lot of the PUA gurus are in their 30s and probably 40s by now. Does that mean they can't pick up? I doubt that they choose venues where everybody is 22. There are more upscale places. Besides, one of the charms of the older man is that he has moved beyond that sort of immature scene.

You know I love your posts, but having fun is not immature. The immature environment of 20´s club, is just the most competive you can get. You have to be really good to score a hottie. Older women call quite often the younger ones sluts, but a single older women is many times easier to lay...
This post was intended to those who think that their ability to score 10´s will shoot as they age, they just need to get older and do nothing.

Again, you can fvck tons of girls in your late 30´s well into the gravem, you may find that you don´t need to try so hard, but that´s just because women get easier, not hotter, of course you may have gone through self-improvement in many areas which will help.

If you want to fvck really hot chicks, generally you must be young.., you might be lucky with a older woman with great genes, although I never seen a women in her thirties that makes me shake in the beach as 21 yo. They can be hot, but it´s never quite the same. This is really a shame, and something that really bothers me.

You usually say, one learns to appreciate women in their thirties and older, but that´s when you are much older and the women of your age are just repulsive... then even a 30 yo average woman might seem hot to you... I often see older men being quite impressionable with younger chicks even when they are average...

 

[expos]

I don't know where all of you guys live, but in my city (population 500,000) it seems like EVERY SINGLE WOMAN with remotely good looks in the 25-40 bracket is taken. And I'm not being blown off when I hit on them, they are legitimately taken. I get hit on by married woman a lot, but don't flirt back because I don't want to feel like a creep. They just want attention.

This even goes for the HB6 single mom that waits table at a dive bar. She even has a boyfriend! It is insane and very frustrating and feels like a cruel joke.

So being 34, it is incredibly tough out there to find people - and I'm very social and I'm out there and I think it's important for me to have some sort of life outside of work. I volunteer a lot, play on rec teams, hit the bar after work, travel a lot - but is incredibly hard to have some standards and want to get laid at this age.

So, what's it like in your town? Is every damn woman taken?

 

[Stagger Lee]

I agree and been think age matters a lot for many years now.

The most desirable looking women who have the least baggage and are single and available are all under 25. Once you get past your late 20's and into your 30's with the age difference hysteria nowadays all you really have is older women. And that's comprised of just a small pool of disgusting women. It's really not any easier than being a guy under 28 only the women are less numerous and less desirable.

I go to the university and club district and it's mostly early 20's and endless number of attractive females and they are all with guys their age. Anyone who says age and looks don't matter much is point blank full of sh!t. Age and looks matter more than anything.

Thanks to feminism dating sucks period in the US. Women are generally only attractive until their mid 20's. You can't date women under 18 but really 21 with the drinking laws. So that only leave 7-10 year window. Most girls 21-23 are in college. Can't date at work. Can't date much younger women without exceptional looks and youthfulness for your age and money. Older women are dating younger men more than the other way around. It's a sad state of affairs for most guys in their 30's and older.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Most of them are in my town. I presume being a single guy in his 30´s is tough... It´s the age where everyone is married, after that comes the divorces, but who want women in their late 30´s or beyond.

So, what's it like in your town? Is every damn woman taken?

Yep Stagger Lee, it´s almost painful to watch the endless amount of hot girls in 20´s and then what you get later. That´s why I don´t see any point being a player after 35 or so... to fvck lots of women in their thirties? lol no thanks!

And yes, many women blame models for the pressure of being skinny, while they are no near skinny. The fact is that women are almost told to be fat and eat as much as they want, because eating makes them happy, and men most love them anyway. You also see that on programs like tyra or opera...

While men these days workout like crazy, and you still see kids looking like models going for older disgusting women. Nice...

 

[nismo-4]

As long as you have a high value, you're good.

Case closed.

 

[Who Dares Win]

At 28 I came to the same conclusion, girls in the 18-22 group usually dates guys below 25 and only after 25 they consider dating a 30+ yrs old guy.

Unless you are goodlooking, have status a good degree of game and much luck its really really hard to be 30 and date a 25- yrs old girl.

Anyway I noticed that while you get disqualified fast and easy in the approach phase, if you have the chance to work on the girl the chances of having her increase noticeably.

I have to add that its mostly the psychological fact of dating a "old dude" that push away the girls and not the old dude himself, if the same guy approach girls saying in some cases that he is 30 and in others that he is 26 he will notice an hugh difference in the responces even considering that his look is the same.

For many guys it doable to fix a crappy past and live the cool guy life surrounded by hot girls but for most its either you do it while at that age or you cant later.

I cant deny that I envy those 22 years old guys which are blessed with looks and a high coolness factor that you see driving cars with some hot girl their age that they probably met at school and got without any effort.
You see some guys and you simply see that they were born in a league higher than yours, those guys are the one that live the way we would like.

The sole fact of staying with a girl my age without even being sure that she likes me instead of just getting the most she could due to her decreasing SMV is kinda sad, would rather take my chance and work on a younger one like Im doing now.

I also believe many of us have unresolved situations from past, no girls not respect no credit while teens, so we're stuck there untill we pass the check even if it takes 10 years.

 

[Jaylan]

OP, where do you live where there are not hot tight bodied women in their mid or late 20s? Because where I live there are plenty.

And to your other point...yes, like attracts like. So most people in a couple tend to be similar in terms of their attractiveness level to their partner.

PS - Some of these posts are making me wonder if Ill ever even settle down in any way. I always knew finding a quality chick could be hard...but damn guys. Oh wells...Im not gonna compromise and end up with a lame chick. Gotta keep it moving.

 

[Mike32ct]

Mid 30s and up is tough.

1. It's considered even more "creepy" to be alone, yet forget having a wingman because most are married, in a relationship, or don't go out anymore.

2. Older women (that look good) are fewer in number.

3. Many older women become more conservative/prudish and pull the "I don't do THAT (ONS/fling) anymore." If she does, she generally wants a much younger guy.

4. Little or no social circle.

5. Actually, IME most older people hook up or date from work, although I don't recommend this.

6. You get married women hitting on you.

7. Even if you don't go to bars, there are fewer and fewer fun activities to get involved with that have women and are age appropriate.

 

[bigneil]

First of all, who doesn't look like an idiot hanging out at a 20-something club? Even the 20-somethings look bad being there.

Second, if the "creepy, older" man is in a suit and looks like James Bond the girls will swoon over him. How old was the average James Bond?

Note that I'm 43 and I'm dating 7 women, average age 28. When I was 28 the girls my age A) seemed old and B) wanted older richer guys. Now women who are 28 seem young and I'm the guy they are looking for. It took 15 years hard work to get here, so you'd better believe it gets better.

One girl I'm dating is age 25. She is not only a hot bartender but the daughter of the owner of the very classy restaurant where she works in San Francisco. Do you think she would have preferred me when I was 25 and making $43,000 a year and drinking beer with college buddies? She would have laughed at me then. Now she wants me to take her away to a different city and that is something my career would allow.

So it definitely gets better as long as you stay free of a mortgage, wife, kids, debt, and sickness while increasing your earning capacity. But no man can willfully age in grace. Genetics plays a role.

I estimate that I make 4 times as much now as when I was the age of the girls I date, so I don't mind spending 4 times as much as the guys their age would (but no more).

I do agree with Mike that after 35 it's tougher. One day you realize that girls who are 18 and in Playboy are half your age. That is when you have to switch to 25+ women (with rare exceptions if THEY choose). You need to reinvent yourself periodically. Jim Palmer for example went from pitcher to newscaster to infomercial star. I started dressing much better and worked out more so I'm more successful now.

But dating in middle age is like shopping at a grocery store after midnight. There is still some product left on the shelf but the melons are bruised, the buns are stale and the boxes have all been opened.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Brilliant as always. Thanks for your insights.

At 28 I came to the same conclusion, girls in the 18-22 group usually dates guys below 25 and only after 25 they consider dating a 30+ yrs old guy.

Unless you are goodlooking, have status a good degree of game and much luck its really really hard to be 30 and date a 25- yrs old girl.

Anyway I noticed that while you get disqualified fast and easy in the approach phase, if you have the chance to work on the girl the chances of having her increase noticeably.

I have to add that its mostly the psychological fact of dating a "old dude" that push away the girls and not the old dude himself, if the same guy approach girls saying in some cases that he is 30 and in others that he is 26 he will notice an hugh difference in the responces even considering that his look is the same.

For many guys it doable to fix a crappy past and live the cool guy life surrounded by hot girls but for most its either you do it while at that age or you cant later.

I cant deny that I envy those 22 years old guys which are blessed with looks and a high coolness factor that you see driving cars with some hot girl their age that they probably met at school and got without any effort.
You see some guys and you simply see that they were born in a league higher than yours, those guys are the one that live the way we would like.

The sole fact of staying with a girl my age without even being sure that she likes me instead of just getting the most she could due to her decreasing SMV is kinda sad, would rather take my chance and work on a younger one like Im doing now.

I also believe many of us have unresolved situations from past, no girls not respect no credit while teens, so we're stuck there untill we pass the check even if it takes 10 years.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

OP, where do you live where there are not hot tight bodied women in their mid or late 20s? Because where I live there are plenty.

And to your other point...yes, like attracts like. So most people in a couple tend to be similar in terms of their attractiveness level to their partner.

PS - Some of these posts are making me wonder if Ill ever even settle down in any way. I always knew finding a quality chick could be hard...but damn guys. Oh wells...Im not gonna compromise and end up with a lame chick. Gotta keep it moving.

Hi Jaylan! Yes, there are still hot girls in late twenties. But it´s no quite the same, I like to fight for the best, and women in their early twenties are so much hotter, tight body, flawless skin, perfect hair... and I´m still able to pull 18-23, which is still near my age. But it worries me a lot, to think the situation might be different 5 years from now.

I see many single and married guys in their 30´s, very unsatisfied with their situation, it might be that they never were good with women, and they still haven´t any game. But those in relationship stare at younger women, with that sight of desperation of "I will never be to touch something like that again). I´m not saying personality isn´t of great importance, but we just prefer very hot women...

About commitment, I also have that problem. Your girl after 2years of relationship will have a completely different body, most likely for the worse.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Man.... that´s a dark future. Hope I won´t be in a situation like that, and you turn your thing around

Mid 30s and up is tough.

1. It's considered even more "creepy" to be alone, yet forget having a wingman because most are married, in a relationship, or don't go out anymore.

2. Older women (that look good) are fewer in number.

3. Many older women become more conservative/prudish and pull the "I don't do THAT (ONS/fling) anymore." If she does, she generally wants a much younger guy.

4. Little or no social circle.

5. Actually, IME most older people hook up or date from work, although I don't recommend this.

6. You get married women hitting on you.

7. Even if you don't go to bars, there are fewer and fewer fun activities to get involved with that have women and are age appropriate.