It’s all about the start

[SH03C]

he obviously trolling. like 8 people have told him not to waste his time with this girl, and he keeps tryna say we're misunderstanding him.

Not trolling

 

[Glassguy]

She’s rude AF. Why are you pursuing?

This is a classic case of you have no idea how to handle a woman like this. None. Zero.

Sorry so blunt, but you gotta have a mad abundance attitude. She’s above your pay grade in attitude. I know men who could slay her no problem… but they have pvssy on speed dial and could care less what this one thinks.

That ain’t you bud. Find an easier target.

In other words she is toying with you for her own amusement. She’s advanced game. Needs a serious player to knock her down. You are not that dude. Not yet.

Move along.

Agreed. OP is not even the backup plan, back up back up plan, etc.

"Why would I do that" = instant dismissal. Would never message her again but I also wouldn't delete her number just so if ever texted me again, I would know it was her and make sure it didn't get a reply back from me.

One of the biggest problems with men on this forum (and everywhere) is not that they don't have an abundance mindset, rather they try to figure out how to make something out of nothing. Literally wasting days, weeks even years dealing with a TOTALLY disrespectful woman who has NO interest on them.

Men need to start spending their time and attention more wisely and have higher standards in how they are allowed to be treated.

I find the scenario in this post not only reveals that OP is dealing with an uninterested, disrespectful bytch, but the alarming thing is that he is asking how to proceed with her. In my mind, that is the biggest concern.

OP- you really need to learn to identify IOIs and also learn when to cut your losses early on when you find yourself in a position like this. But no worries, this is how we learn (so that it sticks).

 

[Dr.Suave]

In my experience, theres nothing you can SAY at this point. Your best bet is to go No Contact. BUT if you wait some time and one day, by chance, she sees you out an about looking good (maybe you went to the gym, maybe you got better/tighter clothes), feeling good, having fun talking to girls, etc She might change her tune. She might start texting you and chasing you. Im sorry if this is not what you were expecting, but this has been my experience.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

In my experience, theres nothing you can SAY at this point, your best bet is to go No Contact. BUT if you wait some time, and one day, by, chance, she sees you out an about, looking good (maybe you went to the gym, maybe you got better/tighter clothes), feeling good, having fun talking to girls, etc She might change her tune.

You use enough commas bro?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Waste of time

 

[corrector]

Your thread has a title saying "It's all about the Start". What does that mean?

 

[Konada]

You're right. All these posters are just spitting what gets them the most e-p3nis points here.

I would have done your text game abit differently:
You: Can I ask you something straightforward?
Her: What?
You: Not you
Her: Huh?
You: Sorry who is this? Karen?

At this point, you got her hamster wheel in overdrive because you displayed abundance with women, so much that you don't have her number saved and mistook her for another woman.

With this hook, you can open the conversation again.

But if you want to learn my text game script how to follow up this hook to bang her, you can PM me. Its only $1997 (Usual price is $4897) for the early bird offer which lasts 24 hours after this post.

 

[corrector]

You're right. All these posters are just spitting what gets them the most e-p3nis points here.

I would have done your text game abit differently:
You: Can I ask you something straightforward?
Her: What?
You: Not you
Her: Huh?
You: Sorry who is this? Karen?

At this point, you got her hamster wheel in overdrive because you displayed abundance with women, so much that you don't have her number saved and mistook her for another woman.

With this hook, you can open the conversation again.

But if you want to learn my text game script how to follow up this hook to bang her, you can PM me. Its only $1997 (Usual price is $4897) for the early bird offer which lasts 24 hours after this post.

Dont use Karen though. It is a politically ladened name which might mean an insult rather than another woman as intended.

 

[Barrister]

I will play Devil's Advocate here a bit and say that the "Sorry, not you" was a bit of a bizarre text to send to this woman. It looks very contrived; like you are TRYING to make it seem like you are texting someone else something interesting when you were intentionally making it look that way. She saw through the ruse and it made you look silly.

So when you then, without preamble, ask her out for a drink a week later, I can see why her guard would be up. I don't think this woman is "out of your league" or anything like some other posters seem to be indicating -- but at this point in time you are better off moving on. Count it as a lesson and get some other chicks on your radar to game.

Focus on making your interactions light and fun. I get the feeling that your desperation to end your dry spell is probably a flashing red beacon to women right now.

 

[BeExcellent]

What kind of response would they give? Or how would they go about it?

The entire text exchange is bad. Horrid. OP starts off by asking a question about whether he can ask a straightforward question. Facepalm. That’s newb.

This chick is a lawyer right? She’s smart. Lawyers must successfully read people to be decent at trial. As @Barrister observed the ask out was weird after the contrived “Not you”…and she saw it as the contrived gimmick that it is. Sorry OP. That dog don’t hunt.

I mean what are we? 12? She is now a total witch because she thinks you are an idiot and a time waster.

The way you appeal to a woman like this is you ask her something about herself (without ASKING if you may ask first FFS), and you get her chatting about herself to you.

“Hey I got a friend who clerks for Judge Smith in Superior court. I hear there are some decent watering holes downtown. Where do you enjoy a glass of wine in that part of town?”

Something like that. This is what my playboy friend does brilliantly. He builds rapport based on something in their profile. He also has a law degree himself so he would be very relatable to a woman like this.

OP needs to go get drinks at some good higher end bars and practice socializing in real life. That would help him most as others have stated.

Cheers

 

[SH03C]

You're right. All these posters are just spitting what gets them the most e-p3nis points here.

I would have done your text game abit differently:
You: Can I ask you something straightforward?
Her: What?
You: Not you
Her: Huh?
You: Sorry who is this? Karen?

At this point, you got her hamster wheel in overdrive because you displayed abundance with women, so much that you don't have her number saved and mistook her for another woman.

With this hook, you can open the conversation again.

But if you want to learn my text game script how to follow up this hook to bang her, you can PM me. Its only $1997 (Usual price is $4897) for the early bird offer which lasts 24 hours after this post.

Exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. For me this broad was just an opportunity to practice and try to refine my text approach or how to pivot a conversation to reframe. Glad you understood this. And no I will not be paying for your services lmao.

 

[SH03C]

Appreciate all the feedback.

As noted this was a horrible attempt on my part but was more interested in some form of practice with a text approach. I surely have along way to go.

Thanks again.

 

[Barrister]

Since he's not willing to bang a fattie, oldie, or uglie, he must not be that concerned with ending his dry spell.

If he's taking relatively good care of himself - fitness, grooming, social circle, etc. - he can easily bang a woman who isn't as you describe. Maybe she isn't a HB 8 + - but she doesn't have to be a sub 4 as you seem to indicate.

 

[Barrister]

Of course she doesn't have to be that. Though there's plenty of guys on here that take relatively good care of themselves with fitness, grooming, and social circles that are not easily banging women. For a guy who's been celibate for several years, I think it's best to fvck a woman as soon as possible. Have that chemical/pheromone exchange with a living female, and then go from there. It should raise his confidence, not lower it.

Well, we can agree to disagree. I would never have sex with an ugly chick "just to have sex." You sell yourself out when you do that - and lower your SMV to higher class ladies - in another words potentially sabotage yourself. Women want a man who is in high demand - but high demand from other hot women.

Also - confidence comes from your own personal value -- not from how many fat/ugly women you have banged.

 

[Barrister]

But you have never been celibate for several years... It's about priming the pump of his masculinity. How does he lower his smv to higher value women, when they don't know who he fvcked? Being celibate he's not in demand by any woman, let alone high value.

When it comes to SMV - "you are what you eat." If you are out banging fatties, ugly chicks, etc., you are going to begin being associated with that level of woman by other women and by other men. It will affect you. You are better off being celibate quite frankly.

 

[Velasco]

back story - I initiated a brief conversation with a 26F attorney on messenger about a month ago. It was 6 messages in total and she said she’s always too busy to have any fun

Could you post what these 6 messages were? Seems everywhere here is starting off with what you said after this initial first impression

 

[Barrister]

I don't believe that. Look at Eddie Murphy.. Didn't he get caught with a tranny hooker? He sure as hell was high value at that time.

Eddie Murphy is a celebrity. That has no application to the real world. But you do you.

 

[SH03C]

Of course she doesn't have to be that. Though there's plenty of guys on here that take relatively good care of themselves with fitness, grooming, and social circles that are not easily banging women. For a guy who's been celibate for several years, I think it's best to fvck a woman as soon as possible. Have that chemical/pheromone exchange with a living female, and then go from there. It should raise his confidence, not lower it.

Should mention that I am making great strides. I do hit the gym 3-4 times weekly and get to a nice bar or lounge 3 times each week.

Last Friday I had an interaction with a 9/10 at the bar, even got her number and displayed some pull back to spike her interest. That did work initially, but I ultimately failed when I pivoted the conversation about work and recommended she allow me and my marketing company to help her with her modeling career. I was quite drunk at the time, but next thing she does is loudly speak to my buddy and says “Matt wants me to work for him”. I was surprised she remembered my name tbh but maybe that goes to show I established some interest initially before failing.

The next day I did send a follow up text to she if she wanted to meet for a drink (see attached image). Didn’t get a response and haven’t tried to reach her again.

Making strides but my biggest pain point so far is texting game

 

[Barrister]

Celebs have been shown to not be immune to smv lowering. He got caught with a tranny hooker.... It didn't lower his stock at all. OP can also bang these lower value women in other cities where there's no chance of societal smv influence. Even if it impacted his value.

Let's say you get drunk @Barrister and bang a fat chick. Are you now destined to forever only bang fatties? Is there now a tattoo on your head that says "fattie fvcker"? You can't use the excuse "it doesn't count, I was drunk". It absolutely counts. You stuck your djck in fat pusssy. You say being celibate is better than banging sub par women, but that's your ego talking. You haven't experienced long term celibacy. This rhetoric does guys that are in OP's shoes a disservice.


I will admit though that you are out of my league in terms of being a player, and seducing women. I'll come to you for advice on seduction and game. I just don't believe that a man is what he eats. You haven't had to do it, so that opinion is not from experience.

Celebs aren't regular people - this isn't even worth debating.

And me saying banging fatties affects SMV doesn't equal me saying you are "destined to forever only bang fatties." Those are two very different things. I don't mean this to sound rude or snobbish, but you sound very naive if you don't think banging low grade women will impact your success with higher grade women. I have seen it first hand with friends of mine who go dumpster diving. It impacts how they are viewed not only by other women but also by their male peers. Not good.

 

[Velasco]

texting game

No loaded messages, brother. (initiate text+asking out+tease all loaded in one text. It screams fear that she won't want to have a conversation with you). Next time. Just sent an initiated text. If there's interest. THEN see her interest in meeting up. I have an example of doing just that, here.

followed up Saturday night with “Come meet for a drink sometime”

Earlier this evening she replied with “Why would I do that”

Im curious to know what some DJs would respond with here to convincingly get her interest level high enough to meetup

It was 6 messages in total and she said she’s always too busy to have any fun

Because it seems like your too busy to notice that life is just passing you by. Or maybe you do notice it but try to ignore it by burying yourself with more work. Trust me I used to be there. It's no fun lol. Thankfully I did meet a girl a while ago that helped me realize this. All it took was a simple, "eh why not?"