Israel attack on international aid ship to Gaza

[Powerlifter]

What I like to know is what generation will once and for all bring peace to that region instead of the constant hate and bigotry that goes back and forth between those peoples?

Powerlifter

 

[teagan]

Noam Chomsky a very famous jew:

Chomsky has made major criticisms of the Israeli government, supporters of the Israeli government, the United States' support of the Israeli government, and the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinian people, arguing that " 'supporters of Israel' are in reality supporters of its moral degeneration and probable ultimate destruction", and that "Israel's very clear choice of expansion over security may well lead to that consequence."[86] Chomsky disagreed with the founding of Israel as a Jewish state, saying, "I don't think a Jewish or Christian or Islamic state is a proper concept. I would object to the United States as a Christian state."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

Holocaust survivor who was not on this flotilla but is planning to join another one even after the incident that happened:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/wo...gaza-flotilla-is-safe-in-cyprus-95253484.html

List of videos from actual Rabbis who say Zionism and the state of Israel is not compatible with Judaism and that Israel is unjustly oppressing Palestinians

http://www.google.com/search?q=jews...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CEIQqwQwBA

Jewish group for breaking the blockade on gaza planning on sending their own aid:

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/jewish-group-said-to-prepare-boat-to-go-to-gaza.html

more specifics:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3899915,00.html

Look at this link for Orthodox Jews condemning Israel's attack as a Zionist attack and greeting an injured flotilla member. The group is called Jews United Against Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/

Jews calling the Israeli prime minister a monster:
Naomi Binder Wall, a member of the International Jewish anti-Zionist Network, explained why the protesters believe Mr. Netanyahu is a war criminal.

“We believe he's a war criminal. It's documented. He's violated international law. During his first term as Prime Minister, which ended in 1999, he presided over executions, and torture of Palestinian prisoners, which goes on to this day.

http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=450

Albert Einstein arguing against the creation of a Jewish state. He even called the first settlers a misled and criminal people

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ALBERT-EINSTEIN-ON-PALESTI-by-Edward-Corrigan-100110-905.html

Now, I am not saying Israel shouldn't exist and in fact if it can exist peacefully in the region then it should. But if you have Haredi Jews, Orthodox Jews, Secular Jews, Famous Jews, Holocaust Survivors and international Jews all criticizing or even outright against the state of Israel... well I'll leave it up to your conclusions with all this evidence from the mouth of Jews themselves.

Dude, everyone has a right to criticize. It doesn't make Israel's actions right or wrong, it just means people disagree with it.

What was even the point of posting all these links? What was your point? That Jews disagree with Israel? So what?

And bringing Noam Chomsky into the argument is not gonna help you win any favors.

 

[teagan]

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Why don't you argue your point and state why those links shouldn't be posted, the insignificance of his links, and why he shouldn't have mentioned Noam Chomsky into the arguments, rather than just dismissing it.

You asked a question. You should have finished that sentence with a question mark.

And you're doing the same thing you called me out on to PowerLifter...

 

[DanelMadr]

That is a stupid statement, what region of the world, with a huge population, and many borders has coexisted peacefully? Europe? China? The Americas?

Truly Democratic ones. Democracies don't fight with guns among each other.
Hamaz is totalitarian fanatic azzholes. Why are you not (wanting) seeing it?

 

[DanelMadr]

Noam Chomsky a very famous jew:

Chomsky has made major criticisms of the Israeli government, supporters of the Israeli government, the United States' support of the Israeli government, and the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinian people, arguing that " 'supporters of Israel' are in reality supporters of its moral degeneration and probable ultimate destruction", and that "Israel's very clear choice of expansion over security may well lead to that consequence."[86] Chomsky disagreed with the founding of Israel as a Jewish state, saying, "I don't think a Jewish or Christian or Islamic state is a proper concept. I would object to the United States as a Christian state."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

Holocaust survivor who was not on this flotilla but is planning to join another one even after the incident that happened:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/wo...gaza-flotilla-is-safe-in-cyprus-95253484.html

List of videos from actual Rabbis who say Zionism and the state of Israel is not compatible with Judaism and that Israel is unjustly oppressing Palestinians

http://www.google.com/search?q=jews...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CEIQqwQwBA

Jewish group for breaking the blockade on gaza planning on sending their own aid:

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/jewish-group-said-to-prepare-boat-to-go-to-gaza.html

more specifics:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3899915,00.html

Look at this link for Orthodox Jews condemning Israel's attack as a Zionist attack and greeting an injured flotilla member. The group is called Jews United Against Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/

Jews calling the Israeli prime minister a monster:
Naomi Binder Wall, a member of the International Jewish anti-Zionist Network, explained why the protesters believe Mr. Netanyahu is a war criminal.

“We believe he's a war criminal. It's documented. He's violated international law. During his first term as Prime Minister, which ended in 1999, he presided over executions, and torture of Palestinian prisoners, which goes on to this day.

http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=450

Albert Einstein arguing against the creation of a Jewish state. He even called the first settlers a misled and criminal people

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ALBERT-EINSTEIN-ON-PALESTI-by-Edward-Corrigan-100110-905.html

Now, I am not saying Israel shouldn't exist and in fact if it can exist peacefully in the region then it should. But if you have Haredi Jews, Orthodox Jews, Secular Jews, Famous Jews, Holocaust Survivors and international Jews all criticizing or even outright against the state of Israel... well I'll leave it up to your conclusions with all this evidence from the mouth of Jews themselves.

So it is not about a stupid ship. It is about existence of Israel. Therefore whatever Israelis do it will be wrong right? Except they pack their things and move out to somewhere else(?) and leave the country to Hamaz and Syrians.

They have the right to be there. They fought for the right and won.

As long as Israel is democratic state with freedom of speech, religion, fair trial etc., which are btw unheard of in surrounding countries, people will be OK with Israel existing. Get over it.

If Israel was communist state, Noam Chomsky would have a hard on for it. He and others are just communist opportunistic demagogues.

 

[Ease]

They have a right to having their own country, i have no issue with the state. I can't say I have a strong opinion on it. It makes sense to give them somewhere to live after being banished and massacred for hundreds of years.

What's happening in gaza is just pure massacre. Racist hate on both sides, but one side with weapons and money destroying everything. Its like a 10 year old fighting a 3 year old. Then the palestinians are made out to be terrorists and evil.

Then, what's happening in Gaza is hidden from the world. Everyone is made to turn a blind eye. All they can say is how they ship tons of aid every month, when they only let in like 20%. Building materials and everything isnt allowed in, which would be fair enough, but this is the 21st century. You can't just starve people out of their castle anymore.

Everytime someone tries to do something about it, they are called 'terrorists', 'extremists' and anti semites and they are shut out. Or sometimes they get run over by a bulldozer.

When you mention how palestinians have human rights, it means you are anti-semitic, and want to destroy israel. Thats some mad propoganda right there.

Boom have fun

 

[Bladerunner]

A few years back I visited the West Bank to go to Bethlehem on Christmas Day. The first thing I noticed was this piece of graffiti on the massive border wall:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee310/Bladerunner116/015-DSCF3553.jpg

The second thing I noticed were all the propaganda posters of kids holding AK's right next to it:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee310/Bladerunner116/019-DSCF3548.jpg

Yes, it really, really, really, really sucks for the Palestinians. Most of them (in the West Bank at least) are overjoyed to get Israeli work permits so they can actually make good wages to support their families. On the other hand, the people in Gaza democratically elected a government that is listed by nearly Western country as a terrorist organization backed by Iran who has a policy of launching homemade rockets at Israeli population centers; they also don't recognize Israel's right to exist, or diplomatically acknowledge them as a country. It's like having a neighbor who keeps throwing rocks through your windows and then tells you that you have no right to live in your house when you try to talk to them about it. You'd try to keep heavy throw-able objects out of their possession, wouldn't you? But then in the process of doing that, their kids can't get enough food. Sh!t's complicated.

 

[DanelMadr]

They have a right to having their own country, i have no issue with the state. I can't say I have a strong opinion on it. It makes sense to give them somewhere to live after being banished and massacred for hundreds of years.

Yeah maybe they had the right. But sure as hell they have one now.

What's happening in gaza is just pure massacre. Racist hate on both sides, but one side with weapons and money destroying everything.

Yep it usually ends up like that.

Its like a 10 year old fighting a 3 year old. Then the palestinians are made out to be terrorists and evil.

It is a bit simplistic. 3 yo I don't know man. Israel could wipe them out the same way Hamaz is planning to do. But they don't. They go for blocade. I guess someone is taking casualties even if he don't have to. They could have wiped them out, the first Hamaz rocket landed on school. They did not. Because they have democracy...democracy is "weak". Hamaz however would have no problem slaying everyone in Israel.

Then, what's happening in Gaza is hidden from the world. Everyone is made to turn a blind eye. All they can say is how they ship tons of aid every month, when they only let in like 20%. Building materials and everything isnt allowed in, which would be fair enough, but this is the 21st century. You can't just starve people out of their castle anymore.

And what can you do then? You either go there and kill Hamaz, which proved difficult and lots of civilian casualties or you isolate them with embargo, hoping the population will pressure Hamaz to frop their stupid act. And if you are on humanitarian aid you don't have resources to build rockets.

Everytime someone tries to do something about it, they are called 'terrorists', 'extremists' and anti semites and they are shut out. Or sometimes they get run over by a bulldozer.

If doing something about it you mean supporting Hamaz then yes the are terrorist. They target civilians as propaganda weapon to get political gain.

When you mention how palestinians have human rights, it means you are anti-semitic, and want to destroy israel. Thats some mad propoganda right there.

Boom have fun

Palestinians have the same human rights as Northern Koreans...NONE, because they don't fight for human rights
They have more human rights living in Israel than living in Gaza...I am 100% sure of that. Unless they are the Hamaz...they have all the rights they want in Gaza.

Bottom line....Israelis need to be criticized and held accountable but not on the expense of loosing objective oversight and overall goals.

 

[Ease]

Bottom line....Israelis need to be criticized and held accountable but not on the expense of loosing objective oversight and overall goals.

You are just as clueless about the situation as me. We both have no idea what really goes on there and the real way to solve the issue.

Only difference is that i have an empathy for the palestinians, and you have a hate for arabs.

This is how the world goes. We need a few clever people from within Palestine to take a lead and make a radical change, it will happen one day just like it has in history. A clever group to unite the people and change, fool and fight their way to success.

 

[DanelMadr]

You are just as clueless about the situation as me. We both have no idea what really goes on there and the real way to solve the issue.

I have pretty good idea what it is all about. D!cks and Azzholes. D!cks are arrogant and reckless and time to time they need the reminder from Pvssies but as long as they keep Azzholes under control it is fine. You don't have to like D!cks but you are wrong siding with Azzholes.

Only difference is that i have an empathy for the palestinians, and you have a hate for arabs.

Wow, no I do not hate arabs, you pr!ck. I have a problem with people who want to shyt on everything.

This is how the world goes. We need a few clever people from within Palestine to take a lead and make a radical change, it will happen one day just like it has in history. A clever group to unite the people and change, fool and fight their way to success.

Yes, Palestine needs democracy, freedom, free elections and less hateful propaganda. Once they stop with the terrorist bs stunts, Israel is actually theirs, thanks to population boom.