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Is there something wrong with you if you dislike relationships, the institute of marriage and the ideals of the nuclear family model?

The reason I ask this is because I want to remain a bachelor until my immient death. An ideal that has seen me come into criticism from male and female friends, who state that I'm a commitment-phobe, that I'm still young and my view will change when I meet the one.

The thing is I don't believe in the 'one', to me it's pure fantasy. The institute of marriage belongs in the nineteenth century and I have no ambition to have children.

The very idea of a relationship saddens me and having been in several I have come to the conclusion that they are restrictive, mundane, and often are monotonous.

My ideal thing would be an FWB with a woman, which has led to me being branded a user or someone that has a low valuation of women which I know isn't true, I'm just not hard wired for relationships.
 

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I agree mostly

I am 26 and right now I would not even think of marriage. Honestly why should I get married now or ever? Because society/media says so? I think marriage is a institution develop by religion to keep men shamed into not doing what they are meant to do which is to bone chicks on the regular. Its also a way for women to trap men with guilt and financially (ring/joint checking etc)

Whats the difference between having a long term gf and marriage?

A 10,000 dollar ring and a legal contract. Is that necessary I think not.

Why can't I fall in love with a women and have kids with her without marriage, what does a piece of paper change?
 

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I would say if you have no inclination towards having children marriage serves no purpose at all.
 

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you are too ego based and arent seeing the depth in relationships. start reading ekahart tolle, and budhism books,

there isnt something wrong with you, u just have associated pain, restrictions, bordem to relationships so you avoid this pain. this is not the case and great relationships are amazing when you get to a deeper place and not just ego gratification. dont take offence but take this on board.
 

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There's nothing wrong with it. Infact, I'm the exact same way.

I don't see woman as capable of being faithful. Being emotionally driven it's very easy for them to "swing branches" so to speak. Have you ever listened to two girls talk about guys before? I've over heard girls talk about cheating on their boyfriends but to them it "didn't count" because it was a one time thing, or he was "nice", or it "felt right at the moment" or some other BS that contemplates why it wasn't immoral.

Everyone can and will cheat. That goes for both men and woman. As soon as you find something better coming a long we cling to it. The only difference is if a woman cheats she's been thinking about it for awhile, and there's usually some emotional dilemma attached to it, while I man can cheat and forget about the girl the next day.

It's simply just hard coded into our genes. Think of it like the animal kingdom, the males job is to spread his seed and be the biggest baddest mofo in the tribe. He wants to pass on his genes to as many different females as he possibly can to carry his offspring. The females are always competing against each other for the most alpha male, they want a protector, sure a few of them will settle for some random male, but if they get a chance to "increase the value" of their offspring so to speak, they will do it, even if it means cheating.

You can't rewrite thousands of years of history and biological programming. We are all animals by nature. Survival of the fittest. Love, "the one", all of it.. is just a myth.

Marriage is just a waste of time. Men get sucked into the whole "must care, and be the provider" myth when it should be the other way around. Again with the animal theory, the males job is to simply protect his female from competing males and that's it. The female should be the one getting food and tending to her hubby.

Also, why the hell would I want to get married just so when we divorce she can take all my belongings and money? It makes no sense to me. Even if she was sucking a bunch of **** on the side and I had proof of it, it wouldn't hold up in court. Marriage is just societal programming, I don't believe in "love", but even if I did why do I need a LEGAL DOCUMENT to show it?

Playa til the day I die, straight up.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Rule number one of fight club....


Keep your opinions about marriage to yourself. I toe the party line in public. I'm looking for my soulmate. personally I could care less about marriage, but who wants to be the contrarian of the group? I already disagree with most people on politics and religion, why throw marriage into the mix. I let others think as they will and I think as I like in private. I have found life to be much easier that way.

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Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.
 

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I'll throw this out there, just in case there are some like-minded people on this site who are afraid to speak up (I assume we are the minority though). I don't pretend to be an expert, I've given horrible advice before, so for what it's worth:

I myself have a very old-school take on life/sucess. So basically I am of the opinion that "a man without a family is half a man." Kids tend to smooth over a man's coarse edges, and a good woman (or dare-I-say "wife") can make a man more successful in life, and able to attain/accomplish more, than if he was single.

(Now before we start the mud slinging, I'm not saying doing anything else is wrong or incorrect, I'm all for people doing whatever the hell they want.)

In my opinion, the measure of a Man is the ability for one to step outside himself, and not just live for himself. This isn't to say that sacrificing your own interests for the sake of others' is the right thing either. But as the army teaches, one you have yourself squared away, go help your brother. Whether you do it because your mother said so, or because you are being selfless, or because a drill seargent is hollering in your ear, to me it is a no-brainer: you can sit there with your thumb up your ass, or you can help your buddy out.

This too equates to my take on marriage/kids. Once you have yourself squared away, and have accomplished everything you feel is "necessary" while flying solo, the next step is making a life outside of yourself. You have a wife whom you can rely on to give you an alibi for when the cops come knocking (or just close the garage door because you forgot to). You provide security, money, safety. She in turn is a mother to your children, giving them a good environment to grow and learn in, instead of a daycare center filled with single-moms' screwed-up kids. She keeps her eye open for business opportunities for you, and of course gives amazing blow-jobs.

And with regards to kids, I feel it is a man's way to live forever. To raise your kids to be successful and good citizens, to raise them to participate in and contribute to the society that you are proud to exist in, is a noble thing. You teach your son to fish, and when he in turn is teaching his own son to fish, you exist forever. As Men, we tend to be coarse and hard, with a "do it my way or get out of my way" attitude. With a little 6 month old, you can't do that. You learn infinite patience. This in turn helps you when you are trying to angle for an equity position in the firm you're working for, when patience will very much get you where you want to be.

Granted, there are a few flaws that a Man must watch out for when chasing the traditional angle. You 100% can't make this work with a bar-star new-age knucklehead girl who is high on independence and feminist tendencies. You need a girl who is on the same page, who understands the arrangement, or you will be taken for a ride. The same goes for a man who is masquerading as a Man: until you have yourself squared away properly, you will find it difficult to achieve what you want out of life, as well as to provide properly for what a "traditional" life requires. I fully admit if you chase this dream with the wrong girl, you will be taken for everything you own, and your girl will run off with the pool boy, your perfect 2.4 kids, and golden retriever in tow.

The same for your kids. You understand that they are little people with their own ideas: they aren't a clone of you. If you try and force your beliefs and opinions on them, you can wind up creating a monster. All you can hope to do is lead them in the right direction. A Truth is a Truth, and those are universally understood. A Man should be spending his time searching for these Truths, and passing them on to the next generations, so that they don't have to suffer and slave through the same nonsense we had to.

A line from a movie that I watched once has continually run true for me: "What kind of Man is a Man who doesn't try to make the world a little bit better each day?" Yes, this of course can be misconstrued and overly romanticized, but I feel it still sums the pursuit of Life up rather well.

Again, everyone has their own opinions, and I'm not saying they are wrong. What works for one guy isn't the best thing for the next guy. I just know that when I am 92, dying in a hospital bed, I would like to be surrounded by family and friends, and be able to see what impact I've had on the world around me. The measure of my life won't be in how many HB10s i've nailed, or how many times I dodged bi t ch shields, but instead measured by the number of tears on the floor when I'm gone.

*edit* Just to clarify though, a guy has to live how he wants to live, otherwise you get resentful and then life sucks. As long as you are happy, you are on the right track. So like they say, "different strokes for different folks."
 
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"Is there something wrong with you if you dislike relationships, the institute of marriage and the ideals of the nuclear family model?"

Nothing at all.

Congratulations on being one of the few out of the box thinkers in the world.

"The reason I ask this is because I want to remain a bachelor until my immient death. An ideal that has seen me come into criticism from male and female friends, who state that I'm a commitment-phobe, that I'm still young and my view will change when I meet the one."

Shaming rubbish.

Think nothing of what people say.

They have been propagandized from youth to promote voluntary wage slavery which marriage and committment are.

"The thing is I don't believe in the 'one', to me it's pure fantasy. The institute of marriage belongs in the nineteenth century and I have no ambition to have children."

Very well said! :yes:

"My ideal thing would be an FWB with a woman, which has led to me being branded a user or someone that has a low valuation of women which I know isn't true, I'm just not hard wired for relationships."

Just more shaming to be ignored.

In the game its commonly known as "player hating."

AFC beta male manginas and women nearing their expiration date (read: 30 and up) are the types most likely to try and shame you in this way to make you conform to their low standard of how they'd like to see you live. The betas because they don't like you having success and boning all the hotties that want nothing to do with them because of their fagg0try and the women because they want you to settle down which means marry one of them, pay for them for the rest of their life, provide them with married social status and maybe sh!t out a few brats for you to waste your time slaving over in taking care of as well the brats become an insurance policy for her to continually blackmail you financially via government order if you ever bail on her out of the marriage.

So yeah these types can go to straight to hell.

Live how you want and be free my friend. :up:
 

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dude im the same exact way as see marriage as a stupid contract that the man forks up over half his earning to the woman while keeping you away from sampling other woman. Society and humans created marriage which is old school to me. Im also gonna remain a bachelor till I die most likely have a kid but only raise him the right way by myself.
 
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kingy said:
you are too ego based and arent seeing the depth in relationships. start reading ekahart tolle, and budhism books,

there isnt something wrong with you, u just have associated pain, restrictions, bordem to relationships so you avoid this pain. this is not the case and great relationships are amazing when you get to a deeper place and not just ego gratification. dont take offence but take this on board.
I don't buy into the teachings of most religions and that includes Buddhism. I will read it however, it might be an eye opener, but I'm very dogmatic and I am not for turning.

What is associated pain? I have just learnt from my own experiences and through others that relationships are more hassle than they are worth. Why waste your time arguing, breaking up, going on breaks etc when you can be free of all that?

I overheard two couples arguing in a supermarket. One argument was about the man not getting the right toothpaste and the other was about the man not phoning his mother in law often enough. WTF, so trivial it's unbelievable. I thought to myself I am so glad I am not in a dead end relationship like those folk.

There is so much more to life than this. I want to own an Aston Martin DB9, I wanna free fall from 30,000ft. I wanna trek across the Antarctic. I wanna go glacier climbing in Norway, I wanna play golf in Miami and I wanna be able to stare about playboy magazine without feeling like a pervert and I wanna be able to get wasted aged 45 with my mates and crash out on my bed without being placed on the naughty step by an over-controlling wife. I couldn't do any of this locked inside a dead end relationship or with children.

The crux of my post is that I enjoy my freedom, I enjoy my own space, I wanna be able to live my life my way without compromise, life is too short to have regrets and wish you had done things differently. It's not selfish to think this way, I just don't want to reach sixty and say, "I wish I was young enough to explore the world, I wish I could have done this and done that".

I shall get off my soapbox now, it sounds like a rant and I don't do rants. :crackup:
 

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Energizer said:
Is there something wrong with you if you dislike relationships, the institute of marriage and the ideals of the nuclear family model?
Not at all! just don't go around telling women that it makes you seem lower quality.

Sure you can tell us how you feel but around women you want to say that you believe in finding a soul mate, believe in marriage, and family is important to you. Those are traits which make you a higher quality in their eyes.
 

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you have associated negative feelings to being in relationships, u just said it in your post, no freedom, cant buy that nice car, travel. that is not the case, relationships can be amazing and can allow you both to grow, also there are threesome relationships too ;)

im gonna stop posting again, my best advice is this for anyone reading

ask a question, take it on board and choose whether to implement - STOP ASSERTING YOUR REALITY AND YOUR VIEWS ONLINE "I think this" or "my thoughts are this" - scrap what you think and be ready to learn from people who get results

asserting your reality will not improve your game, be like an empty cup, ready to try new things that are poured into it, dont be a closed mind or you'll just get the same results.

peace, love and happiness
 

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hansol said:
I'll throw this out there, just in case there are some like-minded people on this site who are afraid to speak up (I assume we are the minority though). I don't pretend to be an expert, I've given horrible advice before, so for what it's worth:

I myself have a very old-school take on life/sucess. So basically I am of the opinion that "a man without a family is half a man." Kids tend to smooth over a man's coarse edges, and a good woman (or dare-I-say "wife") can make a man more successful in life, and able to attain/accomplish more, than if he was single.

(Now before we start the mud slinging, I'm not saying doing anything else is wrong or incorrect, I'm all for people doing whatever the hell they want.)

In my opinion, the measure of a Man is the ability for one to step outside himself, and not just live for himself. This isn't to say that sacrificing your own interests for the sake of others' is the right thing either. But as the army teaches, one you have yourself squared away, go help your brother. Whether you do it because your mother said so, or because you are being selfless, or because a drill seargent is hollering in your ear, to me it is a no-brainer: you can sit there with your thumb up your ass, or you can help your buddy out.

This too equates to my take on marriage/kids. Once you have yourself squared away, and have accomplished everything you feel is "necessary" while flying solo, the next step is making a life outside of yourself. You have a wife whom you can rely on to give you an alibi for when the cops come knocking (or just close the garage door because you forgot to). You provide security, money, safety. She in turn is a mother to your children, giving them a good environment to grow and learn in, instead of a daycare center filled with single-moms' screwed-up kids. She keeps her eye open for business opportunities for you, and of course gives amazing blow-jobs.

And with regards to kids, I feel it is a man's way to live forever. To raise your kids to be successful and good citizens, to raise them to participate in and contribute to the society that you are proud to exist in, is a noble thing. You teach your son to fish, and when he in turn is teaching his own son to fish, you exist forever. As Men, we tend to be coarse and hard, with a "do it my way or get out of my way" attitude. With a little 6 month old, you can't do that. You learn infinite patience. This in turn helps you when you are trying to angle for an equity position in the firm you're working for, when patience will very much get you where you want to be.

Granted, there are a few flaws that a Man must watch out for when chasing the traditional angle. You 100% can't make this work with a bar-star new-age knucklehead girl who is high on independence and feminist tendencies. You need a girl who is on the same page, who understands the arrangement, or you will be taken for a ride. The same goes for a man who is masquerading as a Man: until you have yourself squared away properly, you will find it difficult to achieve what you want out of life, as well as to provide properly for what a "traditional" life requires. I fully admit if you chase this dream with the wrong girl, you will be taken for everything you own, and your girl will run off with the pool boy, your perfect 2.4 kids, and golden retriever in tow.

The same for your kids. You understand that they are little people with their own ideas: they aren't a clone of you. If you try and force your beliefs and opinions on them, you can wind up creating a monster. All you can hope to do is lead them in the right direction. A Truth is a Truth, and those are universally understood. A Man should be spending his time searching for these Truths, and passing them on to the next generations, so that they don't have to suffer and slave through the same nonsense we had to.

A line from a movie that I watched once has continually run true for me: "What kind of Man is a Man who doesn't try to make the world a little bit better each day?" Yes, this of course can be misconstrued and overly romanticized, but I feel it still sums the pursuit of Life up rather well.

Again, everyone has their own opinions, and I'm not saying they are wrong. What works for one guy isn't the best thing for the next guy. I just know that when I am 92, dying in a hospital bed, I would like to be surrounded by family and friends, and be able to see what impact I've had on the world around me. The measure of my life won't be in how many HB10s i've nailed, or how many times I dodged bi t ch shields, but instead measured by the number of tears on the floor when I'm gone.

*edit* Just to clarify though, a guy has to live how he wants to live, otherwise you get resentful and then life sucks. As long as you are happy, you are on the right track. So like they say, "different strokes for different folks."

Great post man. There is room for all viewpoints.
 

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Thanks Warrior. I really hope everyone understands that I'm not trying to preach, just figured I would toss out another perspective.
 

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my sons are the best thing I've ever done,but my marriage was one of the worst things I've ever done[pick wisely]
 
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hansol said:
Thanks Warrior. I really hope everyone understands that I'm not trying to preach, just figured I would toss out another perspective.
It was an eye opener that's for sure. :up:
 
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f283000 said:
Not at all! just don't go around telling women that it makes you seem lower quality.

Sure you can tell us how you feel but around women you want to say that you believe in finding a soul mate, believe in marriage, and family is important to you. Those are traits which make you a higher quality in their eyes.
I understand, but what should I do about women wanting a relationship? It seems when a woman is interested in me, she wants a relationship with me. I just want an FWB. :down:
 

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I'lll be completely honest, I love my nieces and nephews to death
and love being the "cool" uncle that all the kids look up to but mention starting my own brood,
and having responsibilities i'll run far and fast in the opposite direction : )

I was basically raised by a single mom and her take is she had three kids
by the time she was thirty and expects me to have some sense of life direction/responsibility when i get that age.

My younger and older brothers already started their families so i'm pretty much the odd man out LOL
I get snide rmarks like "well if you had kids you'd know what iit's like
or "you cant live like a teenager forever"

I think between the two of them mom will have enough grandkids.
maybe i'm self centered but i just wannna live life with no snags

if kids and marriage are important to you then have them
but I'll never let society or family make up my mind for me
 
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kingy said:
you have associated negative feelings to being in relationships, u just said it in your post, no freedom, cant buy that nice car, travel. that is not the case, relationships can be amazing and can allow you both to grow, also there are threesome relationships too ;)

im gonna stop posting again, my best advice is this for anyone reading

ask a question, take it on board and choose whether to implement - STOP ASSERTING YOUR REALITY AND YOUR VIEWS ONLINE "I think this" or "my thoughts are this" - scrap what you think and be ready to learn from people who get results

asserting your reality will not improve your game, be like an empty cup, ready to try new things that are poured into it, dont be a closed mind or you'll just get the same results.

peace, love and happiness
Relationships are so amazing that divorce is common place as is adultery and single unit families are the social norm, yeah that sounds truly amazing mate.

It's a forum mate, I am more than entitled to post what "I think", sorry if you don't like what I post, but I don't buy into the myth that behind every successful man lies a successful woman. The woman is a freeloading wh*re most of the time and the man isn't stupid enough to ignore it.

Who gets results? Who should I listen too? Show me one great relationship and I'll show thousand horrendous ones.

My game is fine, I just want a series of FWB's, not a relationship. Relationships and I mix aswell as cyanide and chocolate.

I like being single, I answer to no one but myself, I do whatever I want, when I want. Women are a luxury to me mate, I don't need them.
 
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