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I have a question, but first some back story.

I am now separated but most of the events in my situation occurred while I was married. I was married about 4 years ago. However, about 2 years ago I fell in love with another woman I work with. I started to think about this woman literally all the time, I think she is the most beautiful thing in the whole world, every time I saw her my heart would skip a beat, etc., etc., you know the drill. My marriage was very unhappy at the time. However, since I was married, I couldn't act on my feelings for that girl. We never saw each other outside of work; however we were drawn to each other. We started hanging out often, talking a lot, taking breaks together, and having lunches together. The initiative was about 50/50, i.e. if I didn't go talk to her she would come talk to me and vice versa. I did not reveal my feelings for her although I believe she noticed by my behavior and the way I looked at her that I was attracted to her. I would give her the occasional compliment but nothing excessive.

Eventually having lunches together became a given and I even started paying for her often because she didn’t always have money; she gets paid a lot less than I do. We would literally go to lunch together every day of the week Now, I admit that was probably wrong but really nothing went on between us. A few months ago she found out I had feelings for her (not from me) but I didn't say what feelings.

My marriage has now crumbled down, my wife and I got separated a month ago.
Also one month ago, exactly 2 days before I moved out to live on my own, the following events happened. The girl at work told me she had a job interview for another higher paying job. That freaked me out because I was afraid I might never see her again. That night I couldn’t sleep, I stayed up all night wondering what to do. All that plus being so tired of hiding my feelings for 2 years finally overcame all logic and reason and on the next day I blurted out to her that I loved her and was in love with her. Here is approximately how the conversation went down:

Me: Ok, listen, there is something I've got to tell you.
Her: Uh-oh.
Me: I know this is probably a bad time to tell you this but if I don't say it now I may not get another chance. [her name]...I love you! I am in love with you!
Her: Ok
Me: Sorry. I've been waiting to tell you this for 2 years now and I just couldn't take it anymore. It's been bothering me for 2 years and I had to get it off my chest.
Her: (laughing)
Me: Why are you laughing like that? You are freaking me out!
Her: It's not a big deal. Don't worry about it!
Me: I am feeling very weird right now.
Her: It's ok. You shouldn't worry about it so much.
Me: I had to tell you this because if you got that new job, I may not see you again.
Her: That's not necessarily true.

That was a month ago. 6 days later, during which time she acted completely normal like nothing happened I complimented her on her beautiful eyes. She got real quiet and didn't say anything. On the next day she emailed me and first apologized for laughing at me when I told her how I felt, she said she was shocked and didn't know what to think. Then she said she had no feelings for me and that basically she just wanted to be friends. Also, she said that it was making her uncomfortable when I was giving her compliments and she asked me to stop complimenting her or she would end our friendship. When I asked why it took her so long to tell me this she answered that she figured because she never reciprocated any feelings back to me that I would stop complimenting her and keep my feelings to my self, but now that I had told her how I felt she needed to tell me how she felt also.

Now, when she said she never reciprocated any feelings back to me, I must say I was taken aback. It is true that she never said anything to me that would indicate romantic interest, but she never had any problem spending time alone with me, in fact at least half the time she initiated it. She would come to my desk and talk to me all the time, she would always keep long eye contact with me and have her body positioned towards me, she was always extra friendly, we had our little inside jokes that only the two of us knew what they meant, she even touched my arm several times. You know little things like that that would make a guy think she was interested in being more than friends.

After that email from her, we exchanged a few more emails and in my last email I told her pretty much everything that had happened in the last 2 years, how she was all I ever thought about, how it was so hard for me to hide my feelings, how so many times I wanted to tell her but I didn’t and all that stuff.

She is the kind of girl that has many guy friends; in fact she’s told me that she gets along with guys much better than girls. Her parents are divorced and she has told me that she hates her father because he left her and her mother.

Well, as it turned out, she did not get the other job so she and I still work together. However, things between us have been very tense since I revealed my feelings to her. None of us has been able to relax around the other one. We still talk, but not nearly as much. We also go to lunch still, but never alone, there are always other co-workers with us since I told her that we shouldn’t go anywhere by ourselves. At a recent lunch she was talking about a guy that she is dating, she kept talking about him, which made me real mad and I gave her a dirty look. Then, just to return the favor, I said something about me thinking of dating some good looking girls. She kind of snapped at me and said, ‘Well, if I were you I would hold off on the whole dating and girls thing until you are divorced. I don’t think it’s right.’ I said, ‘Not if my wife and I agree on it’, and she said ‘I still don’t think it’s right.’

A few days ago the subject came up of women dating jerks and I said, ‘Oh why do women always pick the wrong guys?’ and I looked at her, I think she knew what I meant. She said, ‘Because there aren’t any good ones left.’ I said ‘Ookk’ in a sarcastic tone and she said ‘The truth hurts, doesn’t it?’

Now, I don’t want you to get the idea that I am some cheating no-good husband. I have been faithful to my wife this entire time and still am, by the way, despite the fact that due to some psychological disorder my wife is not able to have sex and she and I have not been intimate in years. Not to mention the other problems we were having. We tried marriage counseling for 6 months but nothing worked. Like I said, we are separated now which is best for both of us. And even though we are separated, I have not dated any other girls and I am not going to until my wife and I both agree that it’s ok to see other people.

I realize that it is time for me to move on, but I just can’t get this girl out of my mind no matter what I do. I still think about her all the time, I just don’t know what to do. I did so much for her, I was always there for her when she needed anything, and I’ve always supported her and treated her with respect. I haven’t met any of the guys that she has dated, but from what she tells me they don’t treat her right, are not there for her, and don’t appreciate her for the special person she is.

So here is my question: is there any hope to turn this around? Is there any way I can make this girl see me as more than a friend and develop romantic feelings for me?
 

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She laughed because she wished you were joking.

There is nothing to turn around here. She was never, ever interested in you.

We never saw each other outside of work; however we were drawn to each other. We started hanging out often
Hanging out often has nothing to do with attraction or interest. She wasn't drawn to you. She gave no Indicator of Interest in the 2 years you knew her.

There are so many things wrong with your life, damn, it boggles the mind.

BTW, what is the name of this psychological disorder that causes a woman to stop having sex with her husband? Does it have any other symptoms? Really, I'm curious. Autism? OCD? Schizophrenia?
 

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This is a great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:up: there is a lot we can all learn from this post.

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lougv22 said:
I have a question, but first some back story.

I am now separated but most of the events in my situation occurred while I was married. I was married about 4 years ago. However, about 2 years ago I fell in love with another woman I work with. I started to think about this woman literally all the time, I think she is the most beautiful thing in the whole world, every time I saw her my heart would skip a beat, etc., etc., you know the drill.
I cringe when I READ this, this use to be me:eek: back in high school before i became a little sarcastic bitter smart*ss
This was your greater mistake, even though i can understand your reasoning this is what killed you. your marriage wasn't working out so you projected your feelings and your hopes on this woman, thus you f*cked up all your chances you had.

My marriage was very unhappy at the time. However, since I was married, I couldn't act on my feelings for that girl. We never saw each other outside of work; however we were drawn to each other. We started hanging out often, talking a lot, taking breaks together, and having lunches together. The initiative was about 50/50, i.e. if I didn't go talk to her she would come talk to me and vice versa. I did not reveal my feelings for her although I believe she noticed by my behavior and the way I looked at her that I was attracted to her. I would give her the occasional compliment but nothing excessive.
she was RECEPTIVE to you, meaning she was ready for you to either turn this into a romantic relationship or keep it as friends (marriage has nothing to do with it, sometimes that is a challenge for girls) she might have been interested in you at first but your actions turned you into a JUST FRIEND
once that happens you have no chance.

Eventually having lunches together became a given and I even started paying for her often because she didn’t always have money; she gets paid a lot less than I do. We would literally go to lunch together every day of the week Now, I admit that was probably wrong but really nothing went on between us. A few months ago she found out I had feelings for her (not from me) but I didn't say what feelings.
if you go to luch with a girl, you got to start flirting with her, luch in the mind of a girl= date. if you think it's just lunch and try nothing then you fall into the friendzone, trust me it happened to me with several girls. now your biggest mistake is always paying, because she figured you into her budget, free food, that is all the bytch was in for
My marriage has now crumbled down, my wife and I got separated a month ago.
Also one month ago, exactly 2 days before I moved out to live on my own, the following events happened. The girl at work told me she had a job interview for another higher paying job. That freaked me out because I was afraid I might never see her again. That night I couldn’t sleep, I stayed up all night wondering what to do. All that plus being so tired of hiding my feelings for 2 years finally overcame all logic and reason and on the next day I blurted out to her that I loved her and was in love with her. Here is approximately how the conversation went down:

you were already her girlfriend, and your entire turmoiled just disgusted her, she didnt give a rats*ss about you. you going to a rough time and clinging to her was pathetic thus she was repulsed, probably
Me: Ok, listen, there is something I've got to tell you.
Her: Uh-oh.
what she was really thinking is oh sh*t this looser is going to f*ck up the status quo. he is going to spill his guts out ewwww, hey no more free luch for me i guess, o well nex chump
Me: I know this is probably a bad time to tell you this but if I don't say it now I may not get another chance. [her name]...I love you! I am in love with you!
Her: Ok
since you are going to f*ck up being my bytch, go ahead (yawns)
Me: Sorry. I've been waiting to tell you this for 2 years now and I just couldn't take it anymore. It's been bothering me for 2 years and I had to get it off my chest.
Her: (laughing)
hahahahahhahaha what a looser, like you have a chance, you love me???? hahahahaha
Me: Why are you laughing like that? You are freaking me out!
Her: It's not a big deal. Don't worry about it!
it's no big deal to me, you think i give a crap if you "love me"
Me: I am feeling very weird right now.
Her: It's ok. You shouldn't worry about it so much.
don't worry, not like it's gonna happen
Me: I had to tell you this because if you got that new job, I may not see you again.
Her: That's not necessarily true.
i hope i don't have to see you again but i know we might end up being awkwardly working together oh well

That was a month ago. 6 days later, during which time she acted completely normal like nothing happened I complimented her on her beautiful eyes. She got real quiet and didn't say anything. On the next day she emailed me and first apologized for laughing at me when I told her how I felt, she said she was shocked and didn't know what to think. Then she said she had no feelings for me and that basically she just wanted to be friends. Also, she said that it was making her uncomfortable when I was giving her compliments and she asked me to stop complimenting her or she would end our friendship. When I asked why it took her so long to tell me this she answered that she figured because she never reciprocated any feelings back to me that I would stop complimenting her and keep my feelings to my self, but now that I had told her how I felt she needed to tell me how she felt also.
she figured, she could keep you around as her bytch but you had to screw it up for her by reminding her that you expected more. so good bye
Now, when she said she never reciprocated any feelings back to me, I must say I was taken aback. It is true that she never said anything to me that would indicate romantic interest, but she never had any problem spending time alone with me, in fact at least half the time she initiated it. She would come to my desk and talk to me all the time, she would always keep long eye contact with me and have her body positioned towards me, she was always extra friendly, we had our little inside jokes that only the two of us knew what they meant, she even touched my arm several times. You know little things like that that would make a guy think she was interested in being more than friends.
at the beggining she might have been attracted but you acted AFCish so she became disgusted, she used you and then when it wasnt confortable for her anymore she dumpt you

After that email from her, we exchanged a few more emails and in my last email I told her pretty much everything that had happened in the last 2 years, how she was all I ever thought about, how it was so hard for me to hide my feelings, how so many times I wanted to tell her but I didn’t and all that stuff.

She is the kind of girl that has many guy friends; in fact she’s told me that she gets along with guys much better than girls. Her parents are divorced and she has told me that she hates her father because he left her and her mother.

Well, as it turned out, she did not get the other job so she and I still work together. However, things between us have been very tense since I revealed my feelings to her. None of us has been able to relax around the other one. We still talk, but not nearly as much. We also go to lunch still, but never alone, there are always other co-workers with us since I told her that we shouldn’t go anywhere by ourselves. At a recent lunch she was talking about a guy that she is dating, she kept talking about him, which made me real mad and I gave her a dirty look. Then, just to return the favor, I said something about me thinking of dating some good looking girls. She kind of snapped at me and said, ‘Well, if I were you I would hold off on the whole dating and girls thing until you are divorced. I don’t think it’s right.’ I said, ‘Not if my wife and I agree on it’, and she said ‘I still don’t think it’s right.’
she is just being b*tchy with you at this point
 

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A few days ago the subject came up of women dating jerks and I said, ‘Oh why do women always pick the wrong guys?’ and I looked at her, I think she knew what I meant. She said, ‘Because there aren’t any good ones left.’ I said ‘Ookk’ in a sarcastic tone and she said ‘The truth hurts, doesn’t it?’

she picked up on the hint and she flat out told you, you are no good for her
Now, I don’t want you to get the idea that I am some cheating no-good husband. I have been faithful to my wife this entire time and still am, by the way, despite the fact that due to some psychological disorder my wife is not able to have sex and she and I have not been intimate in years. Not to mention the other problems we were having. We tried marriage counseling for 6 months but nothing worked. Like I said, we are separated now which is best for both of us. And even though we are separated, I have not dated any other girls and I am not going to until my wife and I both agree that it’s ok to see other people.

I realize that it is time for me to move on, but I just can’t get this girl out of my mind no matter what I do. I still think about her all the time, I just don’t know what to do. I did so much for her, I was always there for her when she needed anything, and I’ve always supported her and treated her with respect. I haven’t met any of the guys that she has dated, but from what she tells me they don’t treat her right, are not there for her, and don’t appreciate her for the special person she is.

So here is my question: is there any hope to turn this around? Is there any way I can make this girl see me as more than a friend and develop romantic feelings for me?
my answer HELL NO THERE IS NO DAMM CHANCE !!!!!
i have been rough with you, but that was brutal honesty, you had to know it.
now you have found this site, so you can start reading the DJ bible and improving your game.
it will be tough but you can overcome this bad situation in your life.
you are genuinly a nice guy, a kind man, and i pick up that you want to do the right thing.
this is precisely what women sence as weakness, like i said you are here now and we will help you out.
read the DJ bible.

you have to change your perspective on girls, it will be a radical change but you can do it!!!!!!!!!!!! i believe in you
 

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So here is my question: is there any hope to turn this around? Is there any way I can make this girl see me as more than a friend and develop romantic feelings for me?
No and No!!!!!!

I suppose you want to know why...

1 - you've ruined it with her and there is now only negative vibes... she sees you as the loser at the moment..

2 - How can she!! you are a desparate loser...

Take this to heart and be a man...... let her go...
 

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Phyzzle said:
BTW, what is the name of this psychological disorder that causes a woman to stop having sex with her husband? Does it have any other symptoms? Really, I'm curious. Autism? OCD? Schizophrenia?
My wife is bipolar. The medications she takes for it makes her not have desire for sex. She also has a bladder infection that makes intercourse painful for her.

Yeah, i know i screwed up big time. I deserve all the verbal ***** slapping plus some more. Btw, i stopped buying lunch for the girl at work back in February. That's when i admitted to my wife what was going on and she demanded that we stop having lunch alone. So from then on we only went to lunch with other people present, with the exception of two times last month right around the time i was moving out to leave on my own, and she started paying for herself, but she was still expressing interest in going to lunch, and that remained the case even after i told her how i felt and she said she just wanted to be friends.
 

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I have an opinion slighty different than the other guys on this post.

I believe you can get her back by removing yourself from the picture.

Cut off all contact!!!!

It might be difficult especially at work. But it can be done. All it requires is an enormous amount of patience and a commitment to focusing your attention back onto yourself. What does Lougv22 want?

I recently cut off a chick for over a month and even now when she looks for excuses to talk to me, it drives her nuts because I am indifferent. She says there is tension, but it's more like I've moved on without her. Prior to all this, she basically enjoyed my attention showered upon her. Literally taking it for granted. Calling all the shots. Now, that its been removed she is struggling with it. Asking me to lunch. Offering to do things for me, etc. I'm not an a$$ to her but certainly not placing her on the pedestal. She is very AFC like, now. The confidence she once exhibited is gone.

See like your girl she's an AW. A person who requires alot of focus on her. I turned the tables on her and am now playing her game. You need to do the same, but without any emotion. Stop telling her how wonderful she is. Stop the sarcastic remarks. Stop everything. Just disappear and find a way to work on yourself. Remember this girl needs your attention!!!! Stop giving it her. The "I cant live without you" e-mails only drives her away because your too clingy and needy. Get a grip my man!!!

The most important element of the no contact strategy is not use it with the hope that she returns. It's primary use should be to strengthen yourself emotionally. Anything else is secondary. Now that I was able to shake myself from my attachment to this chick things have gotten a hell of alot better for me.

Personally, having gone through a divorce myself. You need to redefine yourself before you jump into a relationship with anybody, but that is for a different post.

Take Care!
 

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I think its too late for u now mostly bcuz of the fact u actin kinda childish after she told u her feelins in a very mature way. And plus
it just doesnt sound like she was interested,possibly a chick who just likes attention. I have been in a very ssimilar situation just recently.




The girl at my job showed alot of interest at first drivin to my house to see me,much talk about sex,Been to her house got my hand up her skirt touchin that place while i talked to her. All of this while she insisted i wasnt her type. Then shed come to my desk say she needed sex from me only to change her mind later when i call.
She is a cool person so we stayed friends but all the sex talk she trys to pulll i ignore now and play it off bcuz i dont trust shes serious. I mean my situation had more signs than yours dead but it turned out to be nothing.



I dont see why u dont understand telling someone u luv them out of nowhere would freak them out. Its like u saw to many movies and expected her to jump in ur arms and not take that other job. I think its over between u two and u should try to remain civil with her bcuz she could make ur job very uncomfortable(even more) if she tells every body how u told her u loved her while u were married. Your coworkers may see u as a creep or a weirdo. Matter of fact u should apoligize. Now i think i was led on in my situation but u werent from what u r saying.
 

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lougv22 said:
She is the kind of girl that has many guy friends; in fact she’s told me that she gets along with guys much better than girls. Her parents are divorced and she has told me that she hates her father because he left her and her mother.
Textbook male attention wh0re. I can't fully explain why yet, but they all have these red flags in common.

Basically, you played yourself out. She strung you along as a friend-buddy like a playa strings girls along as fvck-buddies, lmao... :crackup:
 

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UPDATE: well, i have been listening to all of your advice. I have decided on moving on and cutting off all contact with the girl at work and working on improving myself, removing her from the pedestal i had put her on, etc., although i have not been able to completely let her go emotionally and i still have a small hope that something could happen. Either way, i cut off contact with her, i don't talk to her unless she talks to me first and i don't ask her to go to lunch. This has been going on for a week or so.

Well, she has recently started emailing me and making conversation about some insignificant topics. Today she asks me if i was going to lunch, i said 'yes' so her, me, and two other co-workers go to lunch. The lunch goes well, I don't give her any special attention like i used to in the past, until the end when she decides to talk about some guy who i don't know if they are just dating or is her boyfriend. Except for one time last week when she referred to him as 'boyfriend', whenever she talks about him she only refers to him by name. A while ago we were at lunch and she was texting with him so i asked her 'Are you texting with your boyfriend again?' and she said 'I don't have a boyfriend'.

Either way, today at lunch she says something about how she was going to spend all day with him (again referring to him just by name) tomorrow watching football and he was going to cook breakfast and dinner for her. That just made me sick to my stomach to listen to it, i said in a sarcastic tone of voice, 'well, isn't that nice?!' and then we had to go back to work.

Well, we got back to work and she sent an e-mail to me and the other two co-workers who, by the way, are old ladies. The emailed was something like this 'Thanks for the lunch date today guys. It was fun. We will have to do it again!'

I didn't respond anything to that and didn't talk to her the rest of the day. I was so mad that she talked about that guy. My first impulse was to write her an email and say something like 'Why did you have to tell me about your boyfriend and you spending time with him? I really don't want to know that' or 'Yeah, sure, we can go to lunch again as long as i don't have to hear anything about your boyfriend', but i decided it would be better not to say anything until i consult with you guys. What do you guys think i should say to her now? I definitely think I should say something, I know she said she didn't have any feelings for me but I don't want her to get the impression that I am fine with her just sitting there and talking about her dating life in front of me. In other words, i don't want her to think of me as just a friend, i want her to know that she can either be romantically involved with me or not, but nothing in between. Well, the bottom line is that i want her to like me as more than a friend. I feel like she is trying to stick me in the friend zone again. I am thinking of saying something like this: 'Listen, there is something you need to be aware of. I am not your friend. Don't get the wrong idea, i am not saying that we can't ever talk or hang out, but i can't be "just friends" with you. Furthermore, if you want to go to lunch or hang out with me it will be on the condition that you don't talk about your boyfriend cause i really can't stand to listen to that. If you think that won't be possible let me know and I will make other lunch arrangements.'

What do you guys think? Is that too AFC-like? What would be the perfect thing to say in this situation?
 

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seems she has no interest in you.. she just wanna be friends huh.. WTF man..you gotta change your attitude FIRST...tease her to the extreme..here is the way: take her out, GET HER DRUNK, and u know the next step...


and dont follow her for the lunch, cant you see she is just using you... ignore her man... ignorance is bliss....dont forget..
 

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Loooong.

lougv22 said:
UPDATE: well, i have been listening to all of your advice. I have decided on moving on and cutting off all contact with the girl at work and working on improving myself, removing her from the pedestal i had put her on, etc., although i have not been able to completely let her go emotionally and i still have a small hope that something could happen. Either way, i cut off contact with her, i don't talk to her unless she talks to me first and i don't ask her to go to lunch. This has been going on for a week or so.

Well, she has recently started emailing me and making conversation about some insignificant topics. Today she asks me if i was going to lunch, i said 'yes' so her, me, and two other co-workers go to lunch. The lunch goes well, I don't give her any special attention like i used to in the past, until the end when she decides to talk about some guy who i don't know if they are just dating or is her boyfriend. Except for one time last week when she referred to him as 'boyfriend', whenever she talks about him she only refers to him by name. A while ago we were at lunch and she was texting with him so i asked her 'Are you texting with your boyfriend again?' and she said 'I don't have a boyfriend'.

Either way, today at lunch she says something about how she was going to spend all day with him (again referring to him just by name) tomorrow watching football and he was going to cook breakfast and dinner for her. That just made me sick to my stomach to listen to it, i said in a sarcastic tone of voice, 'well, isn't that nice?!' and then we had to go back to work.

Well, we got back to work and she sent an e-mail to me and the other two co-workers who, by the way, are old ladies. The emailed was something like this 'Thanks for the lunch date today guys. It was fun. We will have to do it again!'

I didn't respond anything to that and didn't talk to her the rest of the day. I was so mad that she talked about that guy. My first impulse was to write her an email and say something like 'Why did you have to tell me about your boyfriend and you spending time with him? I really don't want to know that' or 'Yeah, sure, we can go to lunch again as long as i don't have to hear anything about your boyfriend', but i decided it would be better not to say anything until i consult with you guys. What do you guys think i should say to her now? I definitely think I should say something, I know she said she didn't have any feelings for me but I don't want her to get the impression that I am fine with her just sitting there and talking about her dating life in front of me. In other words, i don't want her to think of me as just a friend, i want her to know that she can either be romantically involved with me or not, but nothing in between. Well, the bottom line is that i want her to like me as more than a friend. I feel like she is trying to stick me in the friend zone again. I am thinking of saying something like this: 'Listen, there is something you need to be aware of. I am not your friend. Don't get the wrong idea, i am not saying that we can't ever talk or hang out, but i can't be "just friends" with you. Furthermore, if you want to go to lunch or hang out with me it will be on the condition that you don't talk about your boyfriend cause i really can't stand to listen to that. If you think that won't be possible let me know and I will make other lunch arrangements.'

What do you guys think? Is that too AFC-like? What would be the perfect thing to say in this situation?


Wow i gotta say ur childish behavior when she first told u she wasnt interested. But now it seems like shes being just as childish. At a lunch with two older women shes talkin about a guy makin her breakfast(her way off sayin theyre fukin)? Its obvious that info was for u to hear and make u squirm. She knows ur not goin to lunch to hang with those 2 other old ladys. I dont like this girl the more u talk about her. She went from bein the mature one to now playin games with u. Ur comments like "isnt that nic" etc arent helping either...






She knows talkin about this guy(who knows if the guy even exist maybe shes just that mean at this point) makes u made by the smart ass comments u make. Ur jealousy is an ego boost for her while it destroys u. I cant say just get over it like most of the advice does on this site its not that easy. Especially working with this girl will make it horrible(just bein honest).





What maybe would help u would be to find another female connection at the job or off the job. Until u do this girl will be all u know and have to luv. U either need to find new friends at work so u can have other lunch plans. Or just say to her somthing like.




"after everything thats gone down this whole lunch situation is a little akward, We still need to keep in touch but i dont think going to lunch with u guys is a good idea anymore. I went from havin feelings for u to now it makes me kindve sick to the stomach be around u(a slight
shot),Not u as a person but just the whole situation and im the type of person that doesnt want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. U r the people we go to lunch with if u let them in on it"



^^^
U cant look anymore like an AFC then u do already,so i think that is a way of goin out on ur own terms and somewhat gracefully. Cuttin off contact to me even tho its the most popular advice i think it makes u look like a scorned ho.






With that bein said that explanation i gave would take alotta balls and swallowing of pride. Me personally would only take that route if u dont think u can control u feelings and u smart ass comment outburst. If u can control urself what I would do is continue to go to lunch with her. Listen to her little stories with either a poker face or pretend u are text messaging or sumthin.
I would have discussion with one of the older ladys about a new woman u are interested in (doesnt matter if shes real). Continue to do this with one of the other lady coworkers but never loud enuff so the lady u like can tell u want her to hear. It would be best if eventually one of these coworkers brings this new love interest up. For example out of nowhere the older lady ask "hows the new woman uve been talking to" loud enuff so the girl u like hears it. She will probaly get jealous whether she likes u r not bcuz u r giving her attention to another woman.







^^I gave u one way out which is more healthy but if u wanna give it one last shot which u sound like u will do no matter what advice u were givin i would try the less healthy
scenario. U gotta decide which one is best for u.
But since u guys work together theirs no way to go cold turkey and never see her so honestly it couldnt hurt to try both imo. If the less healthey scenario doesnt work u gotta promis ursef u will know when to fold em.




Sorry for the long read.I was kindve helpin myself at the same time
 

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And also when i said listen to her storys about the other guy with a poker face i didnt mean look evil or mad. Try to look interested as much as it will hurt. When she brings up how he cooking for her maybe ask what the guy cooked and was he a good cook. Then maybe throw in a joke like " i try to cook but i cant lie i suck". Nuthin to try to knock the other guy down or that u r trying to make urself look better than the guy like sayin "i bet he doesnt cook as good as me".
 

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lOUVG22,

Who's to say if bringing up the other guy during lunch was to get you jealous or create some sort of reaction. It really doesn't matter what her intentions were. What matters is her disrespect for you. Her behavior was totally offbase, which you are partly responsible for. By continuing to include yourself in her life you are strengthening her perception of you as an AFC.

You are playing on such an uneven field my friend. Her team is stacked against you so much, that you will be totally blown out by half time. Quite simply, you must end all contact. For your own sanity. Your withdrawal will cause her to re-evaluate how she perceives you. Right now, she just sees some annoying chump who pleads for her affection. She doesn't remember the fun you two used to have. How is she going to remember those times, if you're still around hounding her like a little love starved puppy?

Don't get caught up in playing games with her. Trying to get her jealous, etc. She will see right through it. The less she knows about you the better. Do you turn her down for lunch or go sit in your car by youself for breaks? Yep! Until your strong enough not to be affected by her. Don't be a jerk when you interact with her. Just be cool like you're talking to someone in line at the movies about the weather. Getting on with your life isn't easy especially with the oneitis you have, but it aint gonna get better with your approach.

My situation was very similar to yours except mine is a full blown AW. This site was very helpful in helping me explain her behavior because I knew I wasn't imagining what she was doing.

The slightest drop in my guard was capitalized on. Her view of me eventually evolved into me being just another attention provider. This went on for 3-4 months. She expected me to fulfill all her emotional needs, while not even caring about what I wanted. Finally she gave me the "I don't want to lead you on" speech. This is where I implemented changes at my "half time". I basically cut her off and reversed the rejection on her. I told her it's been nice. I've got better things to do. Take Care. I stayed strong, focused on my work and got on with my life. I had no contact with her for over a month. No e-mails, phone calls, visits, etc.!!! Keep in mind this is someone who works within the same department I do. Initially, It bugged the hell out of me. Wondering whether I was doing the right thing. Then I realized I'm doing this for myself.

What was her reaction?? She didn't expect someone who could just walk away with no regrets. She latched onto my friends. Going to them for attention and tidbits of information (I didn't share any info with them and backed away from them because in my mind they were unknowing pawns in her arsenal). Trying to stir up my jealousies. When I didn't take the bait, and stayed focused on the big picture of breaking away from her, who decides to call? Asking me to lunch? She did. Did I take her up on her offer? No.

She then would stop by just to say hello... Then she would go a day without seeing me. Pulling the no contact thing on me. But who gives a damn what she does? It's all about me, right? I knew I had leveled the playing field when she tried to pull a power play on me in front of my "boys" at work. I wasn't an a$$ to her, but she knew her stunt did not sit well with me. I took crap from them as a result. One friend saying she's allowed to do it because she's goodlooking. At which time, I turned to my friend and said, " that my friend is the reason your married to a fat broad who gets her wardrobe from Omar the tent maker". I don't tolerate crap anymore. Nor, should you from you interest.

Because of my reaction to her power play, she has gone totally AFC on me. Now, all of a sudden she cares for me. Trying to prove she is a kind person. Buying me drinks and saying this for all the generousity I have shown her. She is completely confused as to handle a guy like me. I was always the one she wanted within the "group" because I was the dominant one. The one who didn't give a damn. I've reset the table and let her know who's in control. Plain and simple. I expect her to play the little angry b!tch game with me or the victim but if I stay firm and don't tolerate her nonsense everything will be fine. All the while, I keep moving on with my life without any serious regard with her role in it. Yeah, I'll do things with her, but I relish in my role as the "one that got away". I constantly get approached by women and frustrate many because of my independence from them. Women including my AW recognize the value I have. I don't even have to be seen speaking/flirting with another woman without her showing jealous tendancies. My GOd, I told her I was going to a casino and she asked who I was going with. Running down all thew possible male names she could think of. WTF! It's none of her business. It did make me smile, knowing I was no longer the one getting jealous.

My AW did catch me at a low point in my life. (My mother was near death and work was overwhelming), but the old Stormcloud is back more focused than ever. I will admit I'm still trying to figure out how to limit her involvement in my life without being swept up again. But I think all I need is time to never take her seriously ever again. Any tips would be appreciated.

Which draws me back to why it is imperative you cutoff all contact. Your goal is not to get her back. Your goal is to get lougv22 back. Dude, find some self love and stop trying to validate yourself with the few bones she throws at you. Strengthen your self esteem. Keep in mind, it isn't going to happen overnight, but when you do decide to improve your situation, trust that each step will be in the right direction.

Ultimately, you must understand the "big picture" and decide what's best for. Your focus is completely on her, when it should be on yourself. I hope you can draw strength from my situation.

All the best!
 

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STORMCLOUD,

so what you are saying is that i shouldn't say anything to her about the fact that when she talked about her boyfriend that bothered me? and that i should just keep on with the "cut off all contact" strategy and if she asks me to lunch again i should say 'no'? is that right?
 

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LOUGV22,

Here's the deal: She doesn't like you. She doesn't want to talk to you in any meaningful context. To her, you are but a pawn that makes her ego bigger.

You fool.

When people say cut off all contact, thats what they mean:

No talking to her, no texting, no emails, no dinner dates, no nothing. It's not rocket science.

Think about it this way: what you were doing before didn't work for you, so stop doing it. It's only logical.

So suck it up, extinguish any sense of false hope that you may have, and move the eff on.
 
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