Is there ANY point to going to a bar/club if you're not very good looking?

[bobbob]

I appreciate the advice but a lot of it is basic stuff you'd tell someone just starting out ... I'm WAY past that point. I've got the clothes/shoes/cologne/hair thing down. The acne thing, I've tried many many different products (from prescription to herbal) and Accutane is something I don't want to take - plus its expensive and may or may not be covered by my health insurance company. I don't let it stop me from going out though, cause life is too damn short.

If I need to put on 30 pounds of muscle to get girls, that's not some **** I can do overnight - that takes years or steroids (especially at my age, 27). In the meantime, I still need to figure out how to get *****.

Anyways yesterday was just a really ****ty frustrating night.

I don't see anything in the gunwitch method or anywhere else that tells you how to handle it when girls just aren't making eye contact, even when you're talking to them, or they angle themselves away from you, or they go back to talking to their friends after you approach them.

For now, **** clubs. Sick of pissing away money and coming home empty handed. The worst part is that I'm not even LEARNING anything by going to clubs ... its just repeated failures without being aware of what you're doing wrong. At least when you learn, you improve, and then have the hope of doing better in the future. From what I'm reading, the only people picking up either are very good looking, or have a tremendous amount of sexual confidence - neither of which I have.



Clooney, you're very lucky to have stopped your acne before it left scarring. I have scarring from acne from before, which sucks but I try not to think about it.

 

[CLOONEY]

Do you work? Use the money you would on alcohol on accutane! As for the scarring, there are many things they can do now to decrease scarring! My ex girlfriend had a bit of scarring on her legs, and with laser treatment (although it is expensive, she found it well worth it), you can totally get rid of the scarring!

Once again, it really comes down to how far you are prepared to go to get rid of the acne and scarring! If you think it affects your game that much, get rid of it!

 

[JazzPimpNYC]

Maybe you're just a desperate, scared *****? Desperate for validation from women yet too scared to find it. If you look half-way normal, dude, then your looks aren't the problem. It's your attitude. Sex isn't the most important thing in life, bro. Maybe you should focus your energy on other areas of your life; persue goals instead of girls.


the only thing that I can see that is standing in your way is your desperate need for girls and your negative outlook on yourself and life.

 

[bobbob]

You're 17 bro ... I know at that age everything is black and white and simple.

Try making it to 27 with hardly any experience and then see if it doesn't take on an incredible importance to you.

Hell, food isn't very important until you don't have any and don't see any coming your way in the near future.

As far as acne scars are concerned, I've never heard of anything being able to cure them so that it looks like you never had them to begin with, unfortunately. So my solution is to just not think about it.

I know from experience that ignoring women and focusing on other areas of your life totally and completely does not get you any women either. I've done it before.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

hey hey hey.............bobbob............come on bro...

Okay you read the article. You say it said nothing about eye contact, do you read the one he wrote on the clubs, and getting out of the Chaos Factor.

Dude.....its all in your head. Picking up women is a mindset, that you can have in the club, in church, in the bathroom, on the parking lot, in court, wherever!! Bobbob, I know you are frustrated...I was there....just take some time and get this information to get that stupid little voice out of your head...trust me bobbob, I know you might not believe me because I dont have Senior Don Juan under my name, but its all in your head.

Embrace your sexualiy, be a man. Read Pooks article on Be A Man. I know it seems like I am telling you to read alot, but just read it and see if it helps you....okay..

Go to the club and have fun......so if these girls reject you, run over to the next table. Let me tell you something....

I had this thing that when I went in the club, everygirl in the club would reject me. Well.....the reason being.....was because I had rejected myself before I had even entered the club.

Have a lot of testorone and courage, and have inner joy and fun, and when you go up to them, it will be easy....

****......bobbob listen......it is hard for me to explain it....but these are some of the articles I read that got me back in touch with my real self and nature:

Be A Man by Pook
Gunwitch 3wm club methods.
Other Pook articles.
And Pook posted a reply on how you should really approach a girl, whether it be in the club or whereever.....I will find it and have that for you soon.....okay.........your frustration kid will soon be over....oh yeah and you are 27 now, well, at least you wont be 27 and alone in a while.

 

[squirrels]

Get the acne fixed...get on some antibiotics. When it's THAT bad, it's usually bacterial. As everyone said, work out, dress nice, and groom.

And SMILE. Lots of people move two points or more up the 1-10 scale when they smile. (Teeth need to be white...get some WhiteStrips or something )

And change the way your INNER appearance projects on your ******D appearance. Do you slouch? Do you look at the ground? Are you jittery or nervous? These things can be changed by changing your self-image from the INSIDE, and sometimes they are MORE important than the outer appearance.

 

[tmpgstx]

Pvussy, it's good to hear Pook's articles helped you. Most of his articles have a neat third person element to them.

Pook (like Anti-Dump) .. two computer nerds that set out in trying to solve their misfortunes with women. Pook built on alot of what Anti-Dump left behind. By logically coming up with scenerios and counters for this and that, these two found themselves getting wrapped up in the game (or something to this effect) as it says somewhere in their text etc.

The point being what they really wanted were girl-friends .. just too nerdy or always were to get away from the computer to do something about it. By exercising DJ techniques, it got them talking to girlz etc. Pook went to the gym and bulked up, and became as he put it 'a hot nerd'. He also worked with many girls, so was easy for him to flirt, and he was in middle management .. so they looked up to him.

I'm sure Pook has a solid LTR now .. the one he was looking for, otherwise he would still be posting. The point being though, as was his .. in the end it's all about being yourself as a man, and doing what comes naturally and not playing games, because it becomes exhausting and depleting. I knew this before even coming to these boards, but did my own research and experiences.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

yeah and tmp I started out looking for answers too...you know.

I was considered a nerd, and I created rejection!! (thats humor)

but I sought out to learn and I have gotten better. And the only reason I am even still here is to help some other guy who may have been struggling the same way I did. Thats all.

 

[Juan_Man]

Next time you get rejected by a girl, ask yourself this:

Was I really confident in my approach?

I remember one time I got rejected badly. I approached the girl on the dance floor and I didn't even look her in the eye. Girls take notice of this stuff.

Don't get me wrong, there were times where I got rejected when I was confident. But hey, you can't always get the girl.

The common denominator is that every time I didn't get rejected, I was confident.

Looks are important to girls too. But looks are also subjective. Just dress nice and be confident. That is all.

 

[InoJaycie]

Visit
www.acne.org

That website should help you a lot. Try dan's regiment and stick with it. It works. It did for me. All the info you need is in that site.

 

[thebsharp]

Originally posted by fuzzx
or forget all that stuff and learn to

Breakdance... <--- I Personally Guarntee Success


You could be comic book guy from the simpsons but if you can break at a club you have instant social status over everyone who tried to GQ themselves and peacock. Makes a lotta guys jealous though so be prepared.

are you even reading his rant? breakdance takes years of practive to just be OK at it, learn breakdancing for girls is just stupid! better use that time to build you're body.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

the part about knowing how to dance is correct, you dont nesscary HAVE to know how to break dance. I have alot of success in clubs, so let me break dancing down.

When you see a girl you want, dont go ask her to dance or does she want a drink. Go grab her hand and pull her azz to the dance floor. Okay, now go to a nice spot on the floor. And now let your mind go and let your body feel the music. Just completely let your mind go, dont do any thinking while you are dancing, okay. Just let your body move to the music, you will naturally get your kino in, you will naturally come off confident, you will naturally come off as the life of the party and probably would end up leaving with this chick or downing your tongue down her throat.

Okay...once again......dont do any thinking while you are dancing. Let your body be in total control, leave your mind and thoughts out of this and let your body move..........watch, the girl you are dancing with will think she was dancing with Usher or Justin Timberlake,.....(ha, that humor, but I hope you get what I m saying)

 

[Golden Arms]

Originally posted by bobbob

I'm wondering why I bother going out ever week to a bar/club, wasting money, and come home empty handed every single time. This money could be better spent on a hooker.

ahhh - there is your problem. It sounds like you don't really enjoy going to clubs, and the only reason you go is because you hope to meet women, is that correct ? You have expectations of meeting women, and when you go home empty-handed, you think that the night is a complete loss and a waste of time/money. Would you even bother going to a club if you were already getting some ? My guess is - no.

I go to bars/club to have a good time - blow some steam off, hang out with my friends and drink - women are secondary. I went clubbing when I had a gf too.. simply because it's a good time. Now I am single again - so when I go clubbing - I flirt, I get phone #s, I take chicks home sometimes but more often than not I go home empty-handed as well - and that's OK, I don't consider it a waste of my time, because I don't need women to enjoy myself at the clubs.

If you don't like clubbing in general - don't go clubbing just cause you're hoping to meet women. Spend your free time doing something you enjoy more.

 

[frivolousz21]

this thread is pathetic!

pick up ur balls and man up


stop being a pyssy and stop making poor excuses...uve had acne this long.??? then do anyting about it.make the changes..ur 27..time is passing you by not Grab ur nuts and take charge...

inner game is more important than looks...believe it...because it can be changes more drastically than ur looks!

 

[JazzPimpNYC]

Look, dude.... I've ****ed 4 girls in the past 2 months, all in their middle '20s. I'm 18, I just forgot to change it. Obviously I'm doing something right, and I was trying to help you out. Maybe you should be a little more appreciative for the help you asked for?

 

[JT47319]

Honestly, at this point if you're putting in a lot of field work, but aren't learning from the experiences or getting any results, it's time to seek some PROFESSIONAL help.

What are the sources, who are the professionals? You've got three sources...

1) Naturals - These are the natural born players. Somehow they learned all the necessary mannerisms, attitudes, and lifestyles necessary to attract women. There are a lot of guys who talk a good game, but can't actually produce so you'll have to sort the wheat from the chaff. Good looking naturals tend not to open a lot of women, but prefer women to open them. They're good at sexuality and high status, but bad at opening and take rejection personally. Then you have actually skilled naturals that have the game as well as well-connected naturals (club promoters, etc.). Find one of these guys and learn from them. Most naturals are very poor analytically and don't realize what they did right to get the girl, just that they did.

2) Local PUAs - Team up with PUA and wing with them. Join your local LAIR, if you have one. Not a "DJ" because, quite frankly, 95% don't have any game, but at least you'll get out there and maybe have fun. The quality of your local PUAs will vary. Some are really good, some are decent, and some are downright bad. But even the bad ones can be really good at something. I knew one PUA that had no emotional rapport, but was an opening machine. Any where, any one, any time, and about any thing. The nice thing with PUAs is that they're cognizant of the Game and can debrief as to what you did right or wrong in a set.

3) Professional PUAs - These are the guys who's career AND lifestyle revolve around pick-up (and we're NOT talking about DYD or RJ, they will never demonstrate or instruct in the field). They hold workshops and seminars that can range from $500 to several thousand for a three day session. You'll get advice from fashion, lifestyle, to both day and night game. Instructions vary, but usually you'll get demonstrations on the proper way of opening, maintaining, and pulling girls. If you've never seen a really good PUA, it'll be an eye opener. Of course, instructor quality varies. Some are down right wierd while others are personable guys. Now it all depends on whether or not there are any professionals in your area and whether or not you want to spend that kind of money. But from your post, it sounds like you need some serious instruction and debriefing in order to analyze your Game, what you're doing right, and what you're doing wrong.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

OH KID.........PLEASE FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND NOT GO PAY 500 DOLLARS FOR FREE INFORMATION........WHAT THE HELL

 

[Luveno]

bobbob,

I'm trying to understand your mindset and this is what I'm getting( Don't take this as condescention):

"I feel that at my age I should be able to go to a club and get a girl to sleep with me. However, when I do go to clubs the girls won't and I feel worthless. I believe that it is because of my acne and lack of confidence that I cannot get a girl to fall for me. The acne only makes the lack of confidence worse, so I'm in a downward spiral. Help."

Ok, here's the best advice I can give:

Stop thinking about your age. That mindset breeds regret, which breeds sadness and is a low-blow to your self confidence. It DOESN'T MATTER WHEN you do something, its just that you do it or not. If you aren't doing it, work on doing it. Don't concentrate on how it should be done by now.

It is really hard to not centre your life around getting a girl because that is the one thing that it seems you can't have. It's human nature to be that way. To stop that you either have to: get a girl, or fight your human nature and use logic.
SO, from now on don't go out with the intention of picking up. STOP CARING about girls. Go out with your buds and have a good time. Have fun with them. Keep doing that and your attitude will improve. Happiness is contagious.

Your acne is another story. Accutane is iffy, but I would keep looking for other solutions. Try to get out in the sun more though, that may help. I say that because I don't know many people who thrive on the outdoors to have acne. Could just be a coincidence though...either way, go out and enjoy the day.

 

[tmpgstx]

Good advice Luveno. Try drinking 8-10 larger glasses of water a day. Acne runs in my family, but when i drink water, my skin become like Porcelin. Keeping your face clean and drinking the water should clear up quite a bit if not all of it. If you don't believe me, just try it for a few days.

 

[Oxide]

Listen carefully bro, i rarely reply to these sorts of threads.



I would HIGHLY recommend going to acne.org and checking out the "free regimen". I have been on it for a week and my skin is virtually clear.

I myself have been clubbing for over 6-7 years, and yes i've made out with plenty of girls and gone way beyond that but i've NEVER left a club with a girl. There are many factors which dictate if she is coming back with you. More than half of those factors are built around you in your own head. I myself would think "My car isnt good enough, i live too far from the club.." thoughts like that shut down your game.

Looking back, the BEST times and MOST success i've had in clubs was when i simply WENT for it without thinking much. I would ask a girl to go with me to my car.. and she would go! (to my own surprise!) I would lean in for the kiss and she'd be all over me, then im rubbing her breasts and she loves it!


The thing i simply HATE is how when the night is ending every dude is running around trying to catch something in a club. It is ****ing pathetic. I hate, hate, hate this approach and it usually never works.

The girls to approach at the end of the night are the ones you've already established some rapport with!


Of course, i am dealing with 17-21 year old girls here so i dont know how much of this rings true to you.


I would defiantely advice going to a club just to have fun. Get some friends and go just to dance and enjoy yourself. Yes, as you see girls you will want sex, but try to just keep the focus on yourself and dance like you are having the best time of your life.

There are people out there who go on stages and dance...but you can tell people who enjoy it from people who are trying to get attention... usually people who enjoy themselves are laughing and looking like fun no matter how wack their dancing is.



Breakdancing... forget it. It is nice way to impress kids at highschools, but in the clubs your clothes will get dirty as well as your hands. Learn a couple of good moves with your feet, nothing crazy like windmills.



If you want any success learn how to dance with a girl. It will take a lot of practice but feeling the music and responding to what she is doing is a start.

Good luck dude, no more tears.