Is the red pill only a placebo?

[DemFeeelz]

Is the red pill only a placebo for ex-blue pill nice guys? Meaning if things weren't working for you with women and relationships when you were blue pill how are relationships and women improving for you by being red pill? Or is the red pill simply a polar opposite placebo?

 

[logicallefty]

Red Pill is each individual person's own ability and willingness to see what's really going on and how things really are, and accept and deal with said reality as it is.

Blue Pill is when a person's reality is skewed/altered but they accept it anyway and contribute to it, to their own demise.

 

[VikingKing]

No blue pill relationships work out in favor of men, or in equal favor of men and women.

Just because you are blue pill and have a girlfriend or wife doesn't mean you are successful. It means that you are ignorant and turning and blind eye to the person slamming you.

 

[RangerMIke]

Red pill just recognizes reality... that is all. What you do with that knowledge is up to you.

When you understand what women really respond to and act on this, then not only do you get better results with women, but the women are actually happier.

Think about it. If you are a women and you are not interested in a man, he asks you out, you 'hint' at blowing him off:

Red Pill Guy: Takes the hint and moves on.

Blue Pill Guy: Keeps trying until he becomes the creepy @ss staker, requiring the women to become a b!tch to get rid of him or call the police.


A women is interested in a man, they 'hint' at wanting them too.

Red Pill Guy: Takes action, he lets her know he is interested in her sexually and lets the woman's feelings develop, and let's the woman decide if she wants a realtionship.

Blue Pill Guy: Stalks her... orbits... tries to find out if she "really" likes him acts like a chick... until he finally grows the balls to take action... which by then the woman's interest level drops to zero... then he becomes the creepy stalker, requiring the woman to become a b!tch or call the police.

Red pill recognizes that a man's interest in a woman is not important. I'm not sure why any women would object to a red pill philosophy... it is only giving them what they really want.... even if they really don't know it themselves.

 

[dasein]

To the topic, who said that blue pill necessarily carried with it failure in relationships, and red pill necessarily carried success? There are tens of millions of blue pill "successes" in some ways, and many red pill "failures." It all depends on the criteria and context applied within the definition of "success."

 

[Knight's Cross]

Mauser,
That is dead on. At 44 that's exactly what I see. Every guy I know that is married, is betafied. I hate to see it, but you are dead on. They are overweight, saddled with all her issues.
It is exactly the reason that I am a firm believer in Catch and Release. Again and again, every chick I've been with in the last 5 years has played out the script you just described.
I was out running yesterday morning and have pretty well decided that marriage like my parents have died around 40 years ago. I cannot fathom getting married.
So Red Pill it is for me.

KC

 

[mrRuckus]

Is the red pill only a placebo for ex-blue pill nice guys? Meaning if things weren't working for you with women and relationships when you were blue pill how are relationships and women improving for you by being red pill? Or is the red pill simply a polar opposite placebo?

The pills aren't real lol

All "red pill" is is having access to knowledge and accepting the truth of those facts instead of blindly stumbling about just accepting whatever previous lies were fed to you that you never bothered to verify the truthyness of until now, only to be like "holy sh1t balls, this is all nonsense!"

What you do with the knowledge is your choice.

 

[speed dawg]

This post was made with good intentions, but in general is in error.

Red pill attitude will make you far MORE successful at dating but may make you less successful at maintaining a long term relationship.

"may" is the critical word here. As a general rule, red pill will help you with an LTR. Mainly because of this, which I agree with:

I say this because women crave the alpha man who puts HIMSELF first and her second - this is the dominance bred into us by millions of years of genetics and history. Just look at men and women. WHO is the bigger more muscular? Who "should" be in charge then, and dominant? Who is better able to provide and fend off threats?

Problem is, society has become, easy, soft, and that has allowed weaker men and women to thrive.

As soon as a woman snares an alpha, (and his resources) everything she does from that point forward is geared towards "Breaking him" and taking control of the relationship. This means shaking his self-confidence, lowering his self-esteem, and not ever letting him realize his true value.

As long as he knows his true value as an alpha, he will not take her shvt and will tell her to FVCK OFF when she is out of line, and he will go get another mate. So, it is essential, that over time, she conditions him to become submissive, to break his will, to forget his value.

I agree with all of this.

This is generally done in several ways :

The giving and withholding of sex (women's ONLY real power over men)
Marriage and children - so he CANNOT easily escape the situation she is about to create. Financially, he will be devastated, and she will take his kids.
Threat of Gov't - ie divorce, call police with abuse threats, etc
Nagging
Criticism
Making sure to withhold praise, because that might allow his self-esteem to rise.
Discouraging him to get in shape and look lean and muscular - this invites competition from other women, makes her look worse (if she doesn't work out) and allows him to realize he IS a catch.

For a true alpha, none of this matters except the threat of government and police, who seem to side with the women 9 times out of 10. Most of this doesn't even happen in an alpha relationship.

So the peril with red pill, is that it helps you ATTRACT women, it may make them reject you for a LTR once they realize they cannot make you commit and control you....because this control is imperative to their long term financial strategy.

This is the boat I have found myself in with the last 2 GF.

Once they realize you will NOT commit at any cost, NOT drop your own dreams to accommodate theirs, NOT finance their future, NOT pay off their debt.........................

They lose interest and move onto an easier target.

This is fundamentally false. The lure of attraction for a true alpha will make women murder and steal in order to keep his affection. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the iron rule is that women stay with the alpha.....as long as he remains the alpha. A true alpha can provide without even knowing he's doing it. The only time beta 'providers' come into play is when the woman CANNOT attract an alpha.

 

[Poon King]

Red pill: Men who can see the world objectively and live in reality.. no matter how harsh it is.

Blue pill: Emotional children who need "feel good" answers to everything and live in delusion.

Blue pill men have a tenuous grip on reality altered by television, a desire to look kewl, denial of female value, or the constant noise of modern life that is used in an attempt to drown out the silence. Blue pill men have an odd perception of reality, but one fed by the media... who represents the advertisers who profit from these pursuits.

Not five years ago, the social cue going around was that you should buy a house anyway you possibly could. You would get a funny-money loan with onerous terms, because "That's what people are doing these days" and "this will get you qualified". Only five years later, we look back in horror and say, "wow, what the f*ck were we thinking?"

The red pill man never gets into the situation above because he lives in reality.

Hope that explains it.

 

[evan12]

Is the red pill only a placebo for ex-blue pill nice guys? Meaning if things weren't working for you with women and relationships when you were blue pill how are relationships and women improving for you by being red pill? Or is the red pill simply a polar opposite placebo?

Red pills is simply a manual for how to deal with women for men who didnt have a chance to deal with them ,they even were socially incompetent or was nonded in one relationship and when it broken they find themselves not able to find a woman .
I was the first type , I didnt spend my teenager years chasing girls and hence I didnt try to figure out what women want , I was too busy in my dreams.
If your value is too higher than the girl she most likely will forgive your other downsides and will not need to read all this **** , but if you are 7 and less (or 8 and not social) then you most likely will need this manual (Red Pill ) to know how to deal with women and what they really want.
It is not something new , most men who already good with women know by experience most of these things.

 

[logicallefty]

I started as a red-pill, was indoctrinated in blue pill for probably 5 years.....then found this site and am back to red pill.


I can tell you that in my red pill years I drown in pu$$y.....blue pill years were very weak in comparison.

I did similar. Started blue, went red, but then started to slip back to blue, and am now back stronger red than ever.

Staying here on SS has helped me keep from slipping. This site keeps my mind right. It's good therapy that we should all regularly take advantage of, even if it's no more than re-reading our favorite posts once in a while, or reviewing the DJ Bible.

 

[speed dawg]

Red pill: Men who can see the world objectively and live in reality.. no matter how harsh it is.

Blue pill: Emotional children who need "feel good" answers to everything and live in delusion.

Blue pill men have a tenuous grip on reality altered by television, a desire to look kewl, denial of female value, or the constant noise of modern life that is used in an attempt to drown out the silence. Blue pill men have an odd perception of reality, but one fed by the media... who represents the advertisers who profit from these pursuits.

Not five years ago, the social cue going around was that you should buy a house anyway you possibly could. You would get a funny-money loan with onerous terms, because "That's what people are doing these days" and "this will get you qualified". Only five years later, we look back in horror and say, "wow, what the f*ck were we thinking?"

The red pill man never gets into the situation above because he lives in reality.

Hope that explains it.

Agreed.

And to take it further....it's not all about men and women. Reality is reality, in ALL aspects. Don't want to turn this into an AE topic but it is what it is.

 

[VladPatton]

Lots of great points in this thread. May I add:

Red pill is the realization and explanation of female behavior that you were not able to figure out on your own while growing up. It is harsh, it is sad, and it is what you need to hear. You soon find out that it spills over in every aspect of life. It is the realization that yes, you truly are a man that must deal with things and not sweep life's difficulties under the rug, no matter how hard or painful it may be, for it is a growing experience that adds to your character. You know, stop being a fvcking pvssy and get it done!

 

[coherence]

This post was made with good intentions, but in general is in error.

This is fundamentally false. The lure of attraction for a true alpha will make women murder and steal in order to keep his affection. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the iron rule is that women stay with the alpha.....as long as he remains the alpha. A true alpha can provide without even knowing he's doing it. The only time beta 'providers' come into play is when the woman CANNOT attract an alpha.

I think that you underestimate the lure of women's social conditioning, pressure and influence of friends/family and overall selfishness.

Many times when a women is with an alpha that won't commit/provide her friends and family are working against him. Pressure builds big time when you are unwilling to commit as outlined by Mauser96. After a while most women will give in to the pressure and I generally agree with Mauser96 on this.

Of course there are many exceptions where a women will stick with the "true alpha" despite his lack of commitment. I believe that type of women is rare and the average woman would bail do to social pressure.

I guess the question, which of the forces has the strongest hold on the woman?

*lure of alpha male
*social pressure from friends/family to find a man that will commit, provide, etc.
*self interest to find a man that will commit and be easily controlled
*other

 

[Tenacity]

Mauser96

So the peril with red pill, is that it helps you ATTRACT women, it may make them reject you for a LTR once they realize they cannot make you commit and control you....because this control is imperative to their long term financial strategy.

speed dawg

This is fundamentally false. The lure of attraction for a true alpha will make women murder and steal in order to keep his affection. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the iron rule is that women stay with the alpha.....as long as he remains the alpha. A true alpha can provide without even knowing he's doing it. The only time beta 'providers' come into play is when the woman CANNOT attract an alpha.

I believe that Mauser is 100% correct. I think the stereotypical "alpha and beta" males are really distracting true and efficient analysis on what's going on in today's dating market.

A big apart of having "good" relationships today is to be willing to engage, live in and put up with BULLSHYT. You have to in a very sense of the word, be willing to live a lie....knowing you are being fvcked over, used, manipulated, etc., but you have to just be willing to live with it.

Us Red Pill guys aren't willing to be manipulated, and while that turns a woman on due to our independence and supposed "strength," there's NO WOMAN in America today that wants to settle down with a Red Pill guy. She can't get anything from him as he can't be manipulated, so he's a bad target. ALL we can do is spin plates, because the entire purpose of a relationship with a woman is technically for the guy to be the woman's form of entertainment, because we understand this and refuse to become her entertainment, there's NOTHING she can get from us in a relationship.

In some ways, I kind of wish I was still a Blue Pill guy. At least when I was a Blue Pill guy, while most of the people around me were FAKE as hell, I still "believed" that I was loved and sometimes the THOUGHT of being loved is more than actually receiving it. In that essence, I envy the Blue Pill guy. His family is all around him, he probably has the same friends he's had since grade school, and he has a wife (or committed girlfriend) with some kids. ALL of these people most likely manipulate him in some fashion, use him, control him, whatever, but AT LEAST the guy goes to sleep at night "thinking" that he is loved.

Being a Red Pill Guy reveals everything, and when you have been revealed everything you realize that "everything" is an illusion.

To break this down with a good example, a Blue Pill Guy is like a kid that believes in Santa Claus. He can't WAIT until Christmas, he sits on Santa's lap in the mall and tells him everything he wants for Christmas, he leaves a list under his pillow, he helps his Mother put up the Christmas tree...and he CAN'T sleep on Christmas Eve as he's waiting for Santa Claus. He doses off and wakes up, realizing that it's Christmas Day and he runs into the Living Room to see all of his presents that his Mother says Santa Claus left him last night. He's full of joy, full of peace, full of happiness......he's on cloud nine.

And all this time, he's being lied to.

The Red Pill Guy on the other hand knows Santa Claus isn't real, thus, there's no excitement for Christmas. He knows his Mother is buying everything that's going to be under the Tree and he probably even gave her a list to pick it out for him. While he's happy to receive the gifts, he doesn't have anywhere NEAR the level of Joy as the Blue Pill Guy above.

Sometimes....it's better to be lied to than to be enlightened.

 

[VikingKing]

Losing all hope is freedom.