Is `the game' up in 2012?

[Greasy Pig]

I've noticed just in the past few weeks that a couple of the women I've been gaming have pretty much called me out on it.
Classic game such as not replying to every text, making yourself unavailable, negging, C&F, mentioning other women in your life etc, etc, etc has worked very well for me in the past, but just recently I've noticed what could be a paradigm shift.

I work with a lot of young dudes who are out getting laid all the time. And a relative of mine also owns a few bars and I talk a lot to the young male bartenders and watch them in action during the course of a night.
Of course there are a lot of AFCs among them but even guys as young as 21-24 seem to have hot women just eating out of their hands as they run solid game on them seemingly without thinking and like veterans.
These guys are getting laid with a different young stunner every weekend. I've seen it!

But I'm starting to think that as more and more young guys work out that being nice doesn't get you laid, that younger women are starting to work out `the game'.

For example, two younger girls in their mid-20s I've been running game on in the past few weeks have called me on my tactics.
I didn't reply to one girl's text for three days and I was waiting for her to text again. Nothing.
When I finally did reply, she didn't hit back for another three days and when she did, it had nothing to do with the question I'd asked her three days earlier. It was something like: "How do you like it when I don't reply to YOUR messages? ;-p"
I laughed it off but then just at the weekend, this other young chick texted me where I was and would I like a drink.
I texted back about two hours later because she's not that a high priority but then she wrote back: "You took too long to reply. See ya!"

Is it possible that I've just struck a double coincidence of women who seem to know `game' and recognise it? Or are younger women in general becoming desensitised to our tactics?

I'm a bit worried to tell you the truth.

 

[SharinganUser]

I'd say you met two women that weren't that interested. You can't make conclusions about women in general based on what happened with two women.

 

[Htienvu]

Yep, low interest explains it! Girls have always know "the game" through gossiping with their friends and women magazines. However, high interest girls won't risk losing you by playing games, they will always lose if you hold your frame. My girl told me that she's hard to get with and play the cold games with other guys before me when she wasn't interested, with me she was very willing when she met me, she put up no games, no obstacles.

 

[Greasy Pig]

Yes, I've already worked out they weren't that interested but I've never had girls actually say the **** they've been saying.
Usually they'll just drop off or flake and generally make it clear more subtly than actually verbalising specifically that they have a problem with me not texting back and in a way that they've seen it all before and they know what I'm doing and it's not working.
Hmmm...

 

[Die Hard]

Whatever these two events mean and whatever the reasons these girls had for their behavior, the last thing you wanna do, is let it get to you. BE A ROCK!

 

[runner83]

You can't base anything off only 2 girls.

I agree with the panel, it was probably low interest anyway.


* If a girl has low interest, you can do (almost) nothing right.

* If a girl has high interest, you can do (almost) nothing wrong.


Keep going with what you know should work, and see how it works out over the long run. If it doesn't work out for the next 10 girls, then maybe you have a problem.


Girl 1 - if you just suddenly cut out in the middle of text convo, that was kind of rude, but depends on the context of the messaging. If it was a natural fade out (which you should try to do every time anyway), I don't see the issue.


Girl 2 - if it was the weekend, she was probably pissed, and her making an issue over not responding within 2 hours (who knows where you could have been without access to your phone) rings alarm bells.

 

[zekko]

For example, two younger girls in their mid-20s I've been running game on in the past few weeks have called me on my tactics.
I didn't reply to one girl's text for three days and I was waiting for her to text again. Nothing.
When I finally did reply, she didn't hit back for another three days and when she did, it had nothing to do with the question I'd asked her three days earlier. It was something like: "How do you like it when I don't reply to YOUR messages? ;-p"

Obviously with the internet more women and men are going to be aware of seduction tactics. It's not like they were a big secret to begin with. Before I first started studying sites like this, I had already heard of most of the tactics and concepts in some form or other anyway.

I'm not fond of playing games. If you want to get with some chick, get with her. Just don't be overeager.

As for responding to texts, IMO you can send the same message by waiting several hours to respond as several days. Waiting several days just seems rude to me, in fact. It sends the message "I don't care about you at all" as opposed to "I'm a busy guy with a full life". Do you want to be with the girl or not? If so, why ignore her?

Now if you're the type of guy who never texts at all, obviously that doesn't apply.

 

[st_99]

I think its hardwired into a girls DNA to respond positively to "game" even if they instinctively know whats going on.

Waiting a few hours or a day to respond to a text though, I would hardly call that game. I'm talking about comprehensive game.

 

[EastWind]

As I progressed more and more it became less and less important when and what I replied to text and calls. If you have to run game as in "I should wait x <units> before replying so she stays interested" you're fighting an uphill battle.

As a rule I don't write that many texts and I especially don't reply to messages that contain no questions, except in very rare cases to good friends or family. I prefer calling. Girls who complain about this get it explained calmly once. I have better uses for time and money than typing away nonsense on my tiny phone keys.

If someone wants to discuss something, they need to call me. And most do.

When a girl does text me a question and it's a quick reply, I usually reply whenever I get the next chance to do it, can be now, can be the next few minutes, can be this evening.

It never becomes a discussion. I see no point in discussions by text. I don't know, do you find them interested? Fast-paced? Full of rhetoric subtleties?

The beauty of is that since I don't conduct discussions or conversations over text, there's no problem with replying to a girl's text in the next few minutes - in 98% of cases it will be the only text I send her on that occasion anyway.

 

[speed dawg]

You have to be realistic about things.

You can get away with not replying to facebook or something like that. It's realistic that some people don't check that very often. But everyone under the age of 60 has a cell phone, and everyone under the age of 40 uses text messages.

If a chick texted me during a work day, it's easy to blow them off, at least 'til the end of the day. Waiting 3 days to text is just being an arsehole unless you just don't care about her, period. I mean, we all know that everyone has their phone on them and can generally respond to any missed call or text within 4 hours IF THEY WANT TO. Nobody is that busy. Unless you're out of the country on vacation and in that case, both parties usually know about it beforehand.

I wholeheartedly agree with the other posters also, that these two chicks probably had low interest anyway.

It's not like this is the 3 day rule or whatever when calling a chick for the first time. This is about responding to people in general. If you're going to text, you have to know the game.

 

[Viagra4Soul]

Two examples of running 'game' at the expense of common sense, OP.

1. Waiting 3 days to text back, unless you have been in hospital, or really don't like the girl, is just stupid. 3 hours - sure. But 3 days just shows you don't really care enough. No-one is that busy, and interested in you.

2. A girl messages you with an immediate moment date offer, and you take 2 hours to reply? I'd be looking for someone else too! Why wouldn't you text back immediately, saying "I was going out, or had things to do, but your offer has me interested... tell me more".

Following a script, even on mid 20's girls, is a mis-interpretation of the ideal. You want to be naturally receptive to positive, forward movements, and back-pedalling away like crazy to negatives.

You did the exact opposite.

 

[Pair A Dice]

Two examples of running 'game' at the expense of common sense, OP.

1. Waiting 3 days to text back, unless you have been in hospital, or really don't like the girl, is just stupid. 3 hours - sure. But 3 days just shows you don't really care enough. No-one is that busy, and interested in you.

2. A girl messages you with an immediate moment date offer, and you take 2 hours to reply? I'd be looking for someone else too! Why wouldn't you text back immediately, saying "I was going out, or had things to do, but your offer has me interested... tell me more".

Following a script, even on mid 20's girls, is a mis-interpretation of the ideal. You want to be naturally receptive to positive, forward movements, and back-pedalling away like crazy to negatives.

You did the exact opposite.

A lot of truth to what you wrote here.

I don't wait three days to respond to a text, but I wait one or two days between texting conversations with a woman. Probably should cut that out.

 

[Warrior74]

If I wait 3 days to text a girl, I probably never will. It means I forgot about her to be honest. If a girl didn't text me back in 3 days, I would probably also forget about her as I'm hella busy. Hell I would imagine there is at least some interest there, because she texted back.

 

[disgustipated]

It's obvious what you have to do. Kill these two.

Before they spread the wrd.

Go now!

 

[Nutz]

I've noticed just in the past few weeks that a couple of the women I've been gaming have pretty much called me out on it.
Classic game such as not replying to every text, making yourself unavailable, negging, C&F, mentioning other women in your life etc, etc, etc has worked very well for me in the past, but just recently I've noticed what could be a paradigm shift.

I work with a lot of young dudes who are out getting laid all the time. And a relative of mine also owns a few bars and I talk a lot to the young male bartenders and watch them in action during the course of a night.
Of course there are a lot of AFCs among them but even guys as young as 21-24 seem to have hot women just eating out of their hands as they run solid game on them seemingly without thinking and like veterans.
These guys are getting laid with a different young stunner every weekend. I've seen it!

But I'm starting to think that as more and more young guys work out that being nice doesn't get you laid, that younger women are starting to work out `the game'.

For example, two younger girls in their mid-20s I've been running game on in the past few weeks have called me on my tactics.
I didn't reply to one girl's text for three days and I was waiting for her to text again. Nothing.
When I finally did reply, she didn't hit back for another three days and when she did, it had nothing to do with the question I'd asked her three days earlier. It was something like: "How do you like it when I don't reply to YOUR messages? ;-p"
I laughed it off but then just at the weekend, this other young chick texted me where I was and would I like a drink.
I texted back about two hours later because she's not that a high priority but then she wrote back: "You took too long to reply. See ya!"

Is it possible that I've just struck a double coincidence of women who seem to know `game' and recognise it? Or are younger women in general becoming desensitised to our tactics?

I'm a bit worried to tell you the truth.

Sounds like you're overgaming them.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/overgaming/

 

[0x23]

Your missing the point

You seem to be missing the point. You shouldnt be playing games!

You should be too busy to reply to her texts straight away, you should have to check to see what night your free, you should be seeing other women, you should be in demand.

You should be too busy being a man to worry about what the chick thinks. This forum has gone downhill and needs a few Dons back here.

People want what they can't have, but they need to have a taste of it to keep them interested. You basically went no contact with a girl you were trying to game! Dude!

 

[The_411]

The fact that you are contemplating your "game" means it's not ingrained as natural extension of who you are.

Game should be a non-thinking automated process like breathing that you don't have to think out.

Of course when things aren't working you do need to think about what your "program" is and why girls aren't interested.

Not texting for three because you want to manufacture additional interest isn't the point.

Not texting for three days because you are so busy with all the amazing things in your life and have so many intereactions that you forget or don't even care is the way to go.

 

[Jeffst1980]

Even if women KNOW you're running game, it STILL works most of the time. Same way that if a girl talks about another guy, with the intention of making you jealous, it usually works to some degree-- even though you know her intention.

"Game" is NOT about "tricking" girls into bed. It's about demonstrating social awareness instead of awkwardness. By running game, you show that you "get it"-- regardless of whether or not she knows what you're doing. Women aren't stupid- they know every trick in the book.

Your best frame, when called out on being too smooth, is to admit that you're a charming guy, but that you actually like them for who they are.

 

[Slickster]

It doesn't matter if women know the "game".

Women are a slave to their emotions.