Is Steroids Worth It?

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I have some friends that have done it and do steroids... and the temptation has always been there for me. The one thing holds me back is the risk of sacrificing my health and the consequences might bite me in the ass later in life.

My friends assure me it's safe if done properly and not over-board.

What are your thoughts?
 

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source: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?15197-Whats-the-right-age-to-take-steroids-(GOOD-READ)

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids . How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids ? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids .

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle . Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids , you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids . Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet . Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids , should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids ?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements , at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects .

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement . You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein ! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids . What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.
 

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^^ There are a few good tips in the above article but also flat-out bad science.

-T levels do not completely tank by age 40. That is pure bro-science nonsense. The range of medically "normal" T levels ranges from 300 ng/dl all the way up to almost 1000 ng/dl. Healthy men still produce testosterone well into their 50's, 60's, and 70's, just at much lower levels.

-There is no credible evidence that Tribulus increases T levels.

-Pubescent T levels are NOT akin to a mild cycle.

Aside from that nonsense, his overall message is good. Until you have been training consistently for more than 5 years, understand the basic science behind muscle strength and hypertrophy, and have added at least 20-30 muscular lbs to your frame, you have no business using steroids.
The importance of diet cannot be overstated, and I am as guilty as anyone of 'coasting' on a half-as$ diet. It is, in my opinion, much harder to be a disciplined eater than to be a disciplined lifter.

If you have reached a point where you have done the above, have not made any significant gains in lean bodyweight or strength for more than a year, and you have analyzed your training and diet both with your own mind and the opinions of more experienced people, it would probably be a reasonable time to consider AAS, if that's the path you want to take.

Speaking from experience, I can offer a few tips:

-AAS are neither as safe nor as dangerous as people think they are.

-They are not magic bullets. They WILL facilitate growth, but if you just eat and train normally during a cycle you cant expect to keep any gains in the long run.

-They are quite illegal.

-Some are lower risk then others, healthwise.

-They can be seductive for some people. Once you reach a certain level of strength or aesthetics, it can be very demoralizing to go back to being "normal" again.

-If you dont cycle them you can expect to ruin your reproductive capabilities eventually.

To each his own. Like I said, they are not as big of a deal as people think they are, but they are drugs and every drug that ever existed has a risk and a potential benefit.
 

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One of my friends has dabbled with steroids now and then in the past few years, he's 29, and you can always tell...kind of like his body is dependent on them to be a particular way. On steroids he's hornier, gets frustrated with everything, his balls shrink A LOT, his erection is a little bigger and on different steroids I think he would get bad pain in his perineum after ejaculation. His biceps will suddenly get bigger within a few days (he mentioned something about muscle memory, as he has done them a fair bit in the past whereas my other friend who tried them for the first time at 30 there wasn't any obvious difference at all to begin with, he didn't carry on using them for long so didn't really notice anything)...also when he stops taking them his muscles decrease in size, his biceps don't bulge as much. (This could be that he changes his diet too, not sure)


Really I'm not sure if it's a good because in a way good side effects are bad side effects if it means you're reliant on the steroids to keep up the good side effects. There are other protein stuff out there, my health club are selling this whey protein stuff, however do your research on the general body science as opposed to just the product, I was chatting to one of my friends who mentioned that the amount of protein shakes some of the gym bunnies drink is pointless because your body can only do something with a particular amount per something of your body so the rest is just excreted. (As you can tell I was paying close attention.)
Personally I think pills and protein shakes are a waste of money, the right food is second to none, proteins/vitamins/minerals are all best absorbed naturally from the right food and lifestyle, every doc will tell you that.

Also you can't change your genes, some guys are just lucky to have great bodies with minimal upkeep whereas others have to work really hard at it. I think you've gotta work with what's best for your body.
 

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snowdog said:
Steroids make your penis smaller.

There's your answer.
Excessive use of steroids for prolonged periods without giving your body rest shrinks your testicles. It also gives you acne and roid rage.

The key is dosage and cycling. This varies from person to person and from chemical to chemical. Steriods are not something to take lightly but done correctly can make significant changes with little side effects. Except for growth hormone, that will leave lasting side effects no matter the dosage since it causes organs to enlarge and bones to thicken. It's what it's supposed to do.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
Excessive use of steroids for prolonged periods without giving your body rest shrinks your testicles. It also gives you acne and roid rage.

The key is dosage and cycling. This varies from person to person and from chemical to chemical. Steriods are not something to take lightly but done correctly can make significant changes with little side effects. Except for growth hormone, that will leave lasting side effects no matter the dosage since it causes organs to enlarge and bones to thicken. It's what it's supposed to do.
Any exogenous dosage of a hormone is going to cause a negative feedback loop and eventual atrophy of the gland that produces it. The gland returns to normal size once the physiologic need for it's constituent hormone returns. AAS can cause acne in some individuals and can result in increased agitation in some individuals.

Growth hormone is a peptide, not a hormone by definition. It does cause growth in all body tissues except the eyes and nervous tissue.

Food for thought, women take steroids every single day all over the world---birth control pills. Estrogen and progestin are the female counterparts to testosterone. They have systemic effects just like testosterone. It is medically and socially acceptable because they serve a contraceptive purpose and are generally well-tolerated. At modest doses AAS are well tolerated as well, but the reality is modest doses net modest results in terms of muscular growth; hence a higher prevalence of undesirable side effects.
Birth control pills are also associated with acne, mood swings, sexual changes, and erratic menstruation.
 

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I'm well aware of what steroids are. I'm currently using a steroid to clear out the sinuses and I have a corticosteroid when my asthma flares up once in awhile.

People however associate "steroid" with anabolic steroids and hormones so I simplify for discussion.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
I'm well aware of what steroids are. I'm currently using a steroid to clear out the sinuses and I have a corticosteroid when my asthma flares up once in awhile.

People however associate "steroid" with anabolic steroids and hormones so I simplify for discussion.
No offense intended AG, it was more directed at the other posters.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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snowdog said:
Hahaha you actually gave me negative rep for that too.

You probably have a small prick and are frustrated about it.
He'll give you a negative rep instead of continuing the discussion. Some people just can't argue effectively and control themselves in heated conversations.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
He'll give you a negative rep instead of continuing the discussion. Some people just can't argue effectively and control themselves in heated conversations.
Bit rich coming from someone who gave me negative rep for "lack of reading comprehension".
 

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I've lifted weights without steroids and can say I wouldn't touch them. I took my time getting stronger and felt good because I knew my efforts and my God given body is what got stronger instead of a certain pill or a liquid. Along with the physical strength I achieved, I got a boost in my willpower from making myself push harder past my limits without the safety net of knowing I could just do a couple curls, some flys, and leg extensions because my body would grow muscle anyway.
 

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CaptainJ said:
Ah yes, the thread where members including you were defending cordoncordon for pumping and dumping penny stocks on unsuspecting suckers. The most easily manipulated and volatile of the tradeable stocks to beginners.

He even admitted to pumping and dumping a couple of posts after. I stand by what I said and the negative rep.
 

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