Is She Pulling Back? What's my next move

[EyeOnThePrize]

So she messaged me tonight with...


So you'll just ignore me?

What the fuk.. I sent her a message 4 days ago & even offered Saturday as a potential to meet up.

This is some games being played. This why you always walk away from Crazy

You're taking it too seriously. Either play along by being the bigger brat or ignore.

If she wants to be a brat, dominate her even in that by being the sassier/bolder one.

 

[member160292]

Yes, why didn't you just walk away?

 

[soulforge]

@soulforge
As others have eluded to, she is making a dumb bet in the form of an ultimatum by ignoring the invite. Her thinking is likely that either you double text and compromise frame just to see her again, or you don't and she focuses her attention on guys that will supplicate.

It's a manipulative attempt to leverage your sexual interests in her to get what she wants, commitment from you. So obviously assume her answer is no to the hang out and make other plans.

As we all know, her method is a massive red flag and only demotes her to taint washer. If she reaches out to fuuck again I'd be a little brattier in text to show I'm not taking her seriously, and if she comes through I wouldn't kiss her to make it crystal clear that I'm the backdoor man, and nothing else. By backdoor man I mean the bull she sees to get her brains fuucked out.

A woman worth the commitment does not have the communication skills of a turkey sandwich.

You are absolutely right. I don't think this girl has lost interest, I simply think she is using manipulative tactics to get me to commit or even more likely to get me to lose frame.

I received a message from her, only 5 minutes ago.

So you'll just ignore me?

Again this is some games being played by her.

I think I might reply with.

Hi not ignoring you. Just ready for bed.

And just leave it at that... If anyone has broken FRAME, then it is her.

I'm not giving her much in the form of a response. I'm not coming across as super excited to hear from her.

I'm not attempting to meet her again, as I already offered the Saturday to her... She could have accepted or rejected it, but she played games instead.

 

[soulforge]

You're taking it too seriously. Either play along by being the bigger brat or ignore.

If she wants to be a brat, dominate her even in that by being the sassier/bolder one.

I'm going to reply with this.

Ignoring you, nope.. it's an early night for me, up very early in the morning.

I simply am conveying that I'm not ignoring her, which implies that I either couldn't be bothered double texting her again, or I have been to busy to message her.

By telling her that I am up early in the morning, I am closing down the conversation with her. As there is nothing really to talk about here. Her manipulation tactic didn't work lol

She lost frame... If she engages with me again, then I will see what she wants... If she doesn't, then who cares, she is obviously trouble.

And in the end, it's her who gave in

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

This is spot on.. i think the best approach is to watch there behaviour, if they get out of line, or try to play games/manipulate... Simply ignore and move on.

that's the discipline.

 

[soulforge]

Why didn't you bring up the invite? For example, not ignoring you sweetie, I invited you to hang out on Saturday and I didn't get a reply, so I figured you were busy.

Why point out the obvious... She isn't dumb.. she knows exactly what she did... She tried to manipulate the situation.

A sane girl would simply say yes or no to the invite.

I don't think anything needs to be pointed out to her

 

[soulforge]

What do you lose by pointing the obvious? You'll walk anyways, so wtf you care what she thinks.

Let her wonder... She tried to manipulate me.. in the end it didn't work and she broke frame and messaged me.

The damage is already done... Let her wonder on how she fuked things up with me, I don't need to point it out to her

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

@Pedrito0906
And how dumb would you feel if she ignored you again? You must not be a big fan of self respect.

@soulforge
You could try to teach her to be more like what you want, but you seem a bit too anxious to pull it off well, she must be super hot lol. She also doesn't seem willing to learn, otherwise she'd be more respectful.

Your response is good, you should only text her with statements going forward, since she's shown she's perfectly content with ignoring questions/proposals.

Personally I would have kept it more playful to show I don't really care if she's upset, but you implied you're a busy guy, which is just as good if not better. Given your goal of sex only, leaving her on read would have been the best since it really shows you dgaf and is 100% mystery.

Now you've really gotta leave it in her court and not double text. Let her wonder and write her off in the meantime.

 

[soulforge]

@Pedrito0906
And how dumb would you feel if she ignored you again? You must not be a big fan of self respect.

@soulforge
You could try to teach her to be more like what you want, but you seem a bit too anxious to pull it off well, she must be super hot lol. She also doesn't seem willing to learn, otherwise she'd be more respectful.

Your response is good, you should only text her with statements going forward, since she's shown she's perfectly content with ignoring questions/proposals.

Personally I would have kept it more playful to show I don't really care if she's upset, but you implied you're a busy guy, which is just as good if not better. Given your goal of sex only, leaving her on read would have been the best since it really shows you dgaf and is 100% mystery.

Now you've really gotta leave it in her court and not double text. Let her wonder and write her off in the meantime.

Well I haven't texted her back yet... I'm letting her wait anxiously for a reply, which will come, but maybe in another hour or so.

To be honest I don't want to engage in conversation with her right now, I can't be bothered haha

Anyway this is the text I am thinking of sending her...

""Ignoring you lol no, I messaged you the other day. Up early in the morning, getting some sleep"

I think that text message let's her know that, I only messaged you the other day... What it also implies is, that the opportunity for her to message me back was always there, but she didn't take it

Then I am literally closing down the conversation by letting her know I'm going to sleep.

The message she sent me tonight had no kisses xx on it, which suggests that she feels that she is the VICTIM in all this

She will either drop off for good after my reply or try to get into my good books again.

Either way, it's no major loss.. A girl who is this terrible at communication will always be a headache.

 

[soulforge]

Why didn't you bring up the invite? For example, not ignoring you sweetie, I invited you to hang out on Saturday and I didn't get a reply, so I figured you were busy. The she will say something, if she doesn't say yes or not, I would ignore.

I don't think you realise the length that manipulative women will go to, just to WIN...

Anything to break your Frame and get one over you. Explanation is not needed when things are this obvious

 

[soulforge]

I'm pretty sure she will interpret that as "I messaged you the other day, now you have to message me or I won't message you" How is that different from not pointing the obvious as you said early?

It could also be interpreted as.. I messaged you the other day, what else do you want? I'm a busy guy lol

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

Well I haven't texted her back yet... I'm letting her wait anxiously for a reply, which will come, but maybe in another hour or so.

To be honest I don't want to engage in conversation with her right now, I can't be bothered haha

Anyway this is the text I am thinking of sending her...

""Ignoring you lol no, I messaged you the other day. Up early in the morning, getting some sleep"

I think that text message let's her know that, I only messaged you the other day... What it also implies is, that the opportunity for her to message me back was always there, but she didn't take it

Then I am literally closing down the conversation by letting her know I'm going to sleep.

The message she sent me tonight had no kisses xx on it, which suggests that she feels that she is the VICTIM in all this

She will either drop off for good after my reply or try to get into my good books again.

Either way, it's no major loss.. A girl who is this terrible at communication will always be a headache.

Eh yeah it's splitting hairs, could go tits up no matter what you say. I'd say call her bluff and ignore her until she says something sweet or obviously submissive.

I don't see why my response to her message is not self respect. Even Corey Wayne has one example where he says the same about a chick who ignore his invite

It's being too available, and shows you'll put up with being ignored. I thought Corey has a one strike policy? If he did two passes it's likely an exception to his rule.

If a girl ignores you and you respond with sweetness when she tries to play games a few days later, you're giving her permission to keep ignoring you and keep playing games. You're showing that you'll happily continue giving her attention, which is all she probably wants.

Personally it's one strike for me, I really don't have the time to navigate women that suck at communicating. As a result the women in my life are wonderful communicators, I'm never ignored, and practically worshipped by any girl that I choose to get physical with.

If you don't recognize how it's a lack of self respect, then I would conclude you don't value your time. I mean, how many times does she have to ignore you before you move on? Do you really have no better options?

 

[RickPound]

I think your reply is fine. Even the others that were suggested. When you overthink a text in the hopes of getting a specific reaction, be careful not to manipulate back. A man is straight up, or doesn’t respond at all. In this case, she tipped her hand that she was trying to manipulate you and you held out. Good job. Don’t extend another invite, but you can play nice.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

Dude what are you talking about? How saying "I'm not ignoring you baby, I invited you and you didn't reply, I figured you were busy" is that too available? To me it shows you were not bothered by her not replying, also you didn't invite her again, that leaves the ball in her court.

Corey Wayne invites twice in a week apart (in which I didn't say) if she rejects the second time, he doesn't bring it up anymore and he walks until she brings it up getting together.

It also shows you're not bothered by being ignored. I don't get bothered by it, but I do lose interest.

To each his own, but think it out; if you're busy with lots of engaging things that you're passionate about and have plenty of options with women, why would you circle back to the one that ignored you? Even to explain something blatantly obvious?

Especially if she's saying something like 'you ignoring me now?' You really think she doesn't know that she ignored you when she can look at the last few texts?

You're free to try and explain basic communication skills to her, but I'd say you're being too naive and she's playing games. If you're fine with investing your time having benign conversations more power to you, it's just personally not my style. If she's interested in hanging out she'll be sweet and make it obvious, anything else is attention wh0re bait imo and deserves no response.

 

[Suave88]

Sounds like she´s losing interest. Ghost her for a week and maybe text her again. Might be time to get more plates.

Losing interest????? He said he already fcked her. In my opinion, it is a sh!t test. I say ghost her, but do not block her. Lose her phone number.
No, dont contact her at all.What is the point of coming across strong by ghosting her only to reach back later with some text?
I would start looking for other plates. The minute she sences him getting away, she will and should reach back unless she didnt like his sex.

 

[Suave88]

I have another plate. The other reason why I think she might be pulling back is, I think she understands that I do not want a relationship with her.

I mean this chick is 26 years old and I am 46 years old.. she goes out to bars and clubs and is obsessively posting pictures on social media. She must have alot of thirsty dudes after her. Not exactly LTR material

Far as I am concerned I messaged her 3 days ago, also offered her chance to meet on Saturday...

So I think messaging her again, seems a little pointless and more likely to make her pull back even more

Do not message that lizard at all!

 

[soulforge]

It also shows you're not bothered by being ignored. I don't get bothered by it, but I do lose interest.

To each his own, but think it out; if you're busy with lots of engaging things that you're passionate about and have plenty of options with women, why would you circle back to the one that ignored you? Even to explain something blatantly obvious?

Especially if she's saying something like 'you ignoring me now?' You really think she doesn't know that she ignored you when she can look at the last few texts?

You're free to try and explain basic communication skills to her, but I'd say you're being too naive and she's playing games. If you're fine with investing your time having benign conversations more power to you, it's just personally not my style. If she's interested in hanging out she'll be sweet and make it obvious, anything else is attention wh0re bait imo and deserves no response.

The fact that she overlooked & didn't address my Saturday invite isn't the only issue. My bigger concern is, that my invite gave her the courage to test me, by not texting me anymore & expecting me to do ALL the reaching out.

We would take it in turns mostly to text, and now 5 days with zero contact from her.

This tells me, anytime I suggest meeting up for sex, she reads this as high interest on my part & this becomes the opportunity to use/manipulate leverage that against me.

Her hope was, I would text again out of thirst for her & she could simply take a back seat and make me do all the work. It didn't quite workout like that for her lol

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The fact that she overlooked & didn't address my Saturday invite isn't the only issue. My bigger concern is, that my invite gave her the courage to test me, by not texting me anymore & expecting me to do ALL the reaching out.

We would take it in turns mostly to text, and now 5 days with zero contact from her.

This tells me, anytime I suggest meeting up for sex, she reads this as high interest on my part & this becomes the opportunity to use/manipulate leverage that against me.

Her hope was, I would text again out of thirst for her & she could simply take a back seat and make me do all the work. It didn't quite workout like that for her lol

IMHO, this plate is breaking right around the time plates normally break.

 

[soulforge]

Break down of the text message she sent..

Her - So your ignoring me now?

I respond back 7 hours later...

Me - Ignoring lol no, tired so going back to sleep

Her - I didn't mean ignoring now, have a good day


Me - I know when you meant. Have a good day


I only responded with statements. And kept it simple, and nice.

There is no point in clearly pointing out what she did to fuk up, she knows very well that she tried a manipulation tactic which did not work at all.

She was EXPECTING a double text, or for me to text her again, even though I already made the effort to text her.

Going to leave things as they are. She has cracked under the pressure already.. she will either reach out again or simply drop off.

 

[soulforge]

Losing interest????? He said he already fcked her. In my opinion, it is a sh!t test. I say ghost her, but do not block her. Lose her phone number.
No, dont contact her at all.What is the point of coming across strong by ghosting her only to reach back later with some text?
I would start looking for other plates. The minute she sences him getting away, she will and should reach back unless she didnt like his sex.

She loved the sex lol smashed her good