Is self-improvement really all that necessary?

[New_Journey]

Have I ever rejected a woman, only to have her keep trying?

That was not what I said

 

[maturin]

women are a footnote in WHY you do the self-improvement. Which is shockingly something more and more men here seem not to grasp. You do this for yourself and YOUR life.

Couldn't agree more. If a guy is satisfied with being a local townie with the local losers then fk the self improvement. A bit of a chip on the shoulder when your in your 20s doesn't hurt either. I'm not nearly as pizzed at 62 than I was at 22. The anger can be a positive drive.

The build it and they will come solution seems to support female' parasitic nature. Basically good old fashioned pay to play kind of like the oldest profession. Of course its couched in noble language, like men have a need to provide. And this is what a real man does. But these build yourself up types appear to be paying out the nose for the privilege of a romantic relationship.

It made me kind of sick witnessing this first hand when my biz took off in my 30s. In fact i wanted nothing to do with women like this. The strategy seems to be, build yourself up then give it away or trade it for zex. Or worse, marry and enter captivity. Abraham Lincoln when defining slavery said it best. "You work, I eat".

 

[Gamisch]

100% this.

Kinda l blasphemous to say this here, but getting women is the easiest part of self improvement.

all it takes is the word " hi".

thats it.

but..that hi you say gotta have some serious weight behind it. The weight behind itcomes from your daily hard work. Being ripped , some cash to spare and dressed fresh will make your presence incredibly powerfull.

The reason why so many men don't date is because the KNOW they don't qualify..and they don't wanna work on it.

You could be lets say 32 y.o in a hopeless situation. By 35 you can be on top of the world (again?). But those 3 years will be gruesome and tough. No p00sy for Lord knows how long while still preparing to drown in p00sy...

Thats not for everyone.

I guess it’s a fair question. I know plenty of men without a job, look like sh1t, have no prospects, smoke and booze nonstop on their “disability” check, and are with an equally pathetic quality woman who they many times have 2-3 kids with that they can’t adequately support and who are destined to usually repeat their own parents’ sad cycle.

So no - if you just want sex you can find some lowlife somewhere to have it with - probably sub HB 4 range. But if you want decent to great women, yes it’s necessary. But women are a footnote in WHY you do the self-improvement. Which is shockingly something more and more men here seem not to grasp. You do this for yourself and YOUR life. Better quality women are just one of the fruits of those labors but can’t (and shouldn’t) be the goal.

 

[BaronOfHair]

So I will revise my statement and say:

"If a woman opens the door, and you do not walk in... that door closes pretty fast... however, she might open that door again, at a much later date, and if that happens it's not anything you did, but something going on with her. The man has no control of if and when this might happen."

And indirectly, you illuminate the fatal flaws with all this Red Pill nonsense: It's become a religion, who's scripture is immune to revision, even as further evidence roles in

 

[jhonny9546]

the door stays open

This happened in my life. It might be true.
Their inner desire for you still there, but they refuse to show.

"If a woman opens the door, and you do not walk in... that door closes pretty fast... however, she might open that door again, at a much later date, and if that happens it's not anything you did, but something going on with her. The man has no control of if and when this might happen."

More complete

You do this for yourself and YOUR life.

This is also why you won't accept any disrespect from people when you take the train for this journey, because you finally understood you're the prize, and compromises can be and should be made, but you now know what value really is.

all it takes is the word " hi".
thats it.

I think I will print this, since once you feel this on your skin, you know these words are true.
100%

And indirectly, you illuminate the fatal flaws with all this Red Pill nonsense: It's become a religion, who's scripture is immune to revision, even as further evidence roles in

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