Is self-improvement really all that necessary?

[New_Journey]

Have I ever rejected a woman, only to have her keep trying?

That was not what I said

 

[maturin]

women are a footnote in WHY you do the self-improvement. Which is shockingly something more and more men here seem not to grasp. You do this for yourself and YOUR life.

Couldn't agree more. If a guy is satisfied with being a local townie with the local losers then fk the self improvement. A bit of a chip on the shoulder when your in your 20s doesn't hurt either. I'm not nearly as pizzed at 62 than I was at 22. The anger can be a positive drive.

The build it and they will come solution seems to support female' parasitic nature. Basically good old fashioned pay to play kind of like the oldest profession. Of course its couched in noble language, like men have a need to provide. And this is what a real man does. But these build yourself up types appear to be paying out the nose for the privilege of a romantic relationship.

It made me kind of sick witnessing this first hand when my biz took off in my 30s. In fact i wanted nothing to do with women like this. The strategy seems to be, build yourself up then give it away or trade it for zex. Or worse, marry and enter captivity. Abraham Lincoln when defining slavery said it best. "You work, I eat".

 

[Gamisch]

100% this.

Kinda l blasphemous to say this here, but getting women is the easiest part of self improvement.

all it takes is the word " hi".

thats it.

but..that hi you say gotta have some serious weight behind it. The weight behind itcomes from your daily hard work. Being ripped , some cash to spare and dressed fresh will make your presence incredibly powerfull.

The reason why so many men don't date is because the KNOW they don't qualify..and they don't wanna work on it.

You could be lets say 32 y.o in a hopeless situation. By 35 you can be on top of the world (again?). But those 3 years will be gruesome and tough. No p00sy for Lord knows how long while still preparing to drown in p00sy...

Thats not for everyone.

I guess it’s a fair question. I know plenty of men without a job, look like sh1t, have no prospects, smoke and booze nonstop on their “disability” check, and are with an equally pathetic quality woman who they many times have 2-3 kids with that they can’t adequately support and who are destined to usually repeat their own parents’ sad cycle.

So no - if you just want sex you can find some lowlife somewhere to have it with - probably sub HB 4 range. But if you want decent to great women, yes it’s necessary. But women are a footnote in WHY you do the self-improvement. Which is shockingly something more and more men here seem not to grasp. You do this for yourself and YOUR life. Better quality women are just one of the fruits of those labors but can’t (and shouldn’t) be the goal.

 

[BaronOfHair]

So I will revise my statement and say:

"If a woman opens the door, and you do not walk in... that door closes pretty fast... however, she might open that door again, at a much later date, and if that happens it's not anything you did, but something going on with her. The man has no control of if and when this might happen."

And indirectly, you illuminate the fatal flaws with all this Red Pill nonsense: It's become a religion, who's scripture is immune to revision, even as further evidence roles in

 

[jhonny9546]

the door stays open

This happened in my life. It might be true.
Their inner desire for you still there, but they refuse to show.

"If a woman opens the door, and you do not walk in... that door closes pretty fast... however, she might open that door again, at a much later date, and if that happens it's not anything you did, but something going on with her. The man has no control of if and when this might happen."

More complete

You do this for yourself and YOUR life.

This is also why you won't accept any disrespect from people when you take the train for this journey, because you finally understood you're the prize, and compromises can be and should be made, but you now know what value really is.

all it takes is the word " hi".
thats it.

I think I will print this, since once you feel this on your skin, you know these words are true.
100%

And indirectly, you illuminate the fatal flaws with all this Red Pill nonsense: It's become a religion, who's scripture is immune to revision, even as further evidence roles in

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[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

well the way nature and reality works is that, guys, men, are the only gender that have to put in work or effort in order to get rewards, not the other way around

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

The last 2 generations (Gen Y/Millennials and now Gen Z) have had "special snowflake syndrome". This started to emerge from the participation trophy and self-esteeming boosting culture that started to permeate parenting and K-12 schools in the 1990s.



There are so many men who are invisible to women. There are men who offer more than this poster is offering who are invisible.

Men need to do self-improvement initiatives to just be visible and even have a chance. Having a chance isn't a guarantee of anything.



This is bad for this poster. I have done many approaches in many indoor retail venues and never once been kicked out of a venue.

In order to get kicked out of an indoor retail venue for approaching, a man needs to be very socially uncalibrated.

yup, i'm a broken record on this, and its a reminder that women are the only gender that can get away with being socially uncalibrated, men can never get away with that.

yeah people and society, the world, they never actually say it, but they just naturally expect us guys, men, to have common sense or just instinctively know how to never be creepy or weird, they just expect us to have the social intuition for knowing what is creepy/weird behavior and what is not when interacting with women, and when guys, men, make errors or mistakes when approaching/interacting with women that result in awkward interactions, in which the woman view the guy as creepy or weird, uncomfortable, its painful, embarassing, makes us feel very stupid. I know this is a mindset me and lots of guys, men have, lets say if we guys, men, were to ever actually get better at approaching/interacting with women, get results, it will still forever/permanently hurt, be painful, because of the awkward interactions we had with women that resulted in what i described, however, i've heard some people say that is part of the journey of getting better, or its part the learning process, that either all or most guys go through that when it comes to getting better with women. Is that correct or not?

For me its not rejection, its the way that it happens that has the biggest affect on me, as in, awkward interactions that result in women thinking of me as weird or creepy, uncomfortable, and it makes me and lots of men feel embarassed or ashamed to get help to figure out what they are doing wrong, when plenty of guys it seems naturally know how to learn from their mistakes on their own or just never once in their life had an awkward interaction in which they got thrown the creepy/weird label, never once made a woman uncomfortable, sure yes they have been rejected, but they just never creeped a girl out or never once made her uncomfortable.