Nighthawk said:
In the past there was a higher percentage of 'regular guys' who did okay with women because they hadn't been brainwashed into rejecting their masculinity
I agree. They may not have had the most confidence all around, but they probably benefited from not having that extra layer of BS rattling around in their heads.
Now it's all about qualifying to the woman. On this board too-- I have to be good looking, I have to be rich, I have to have social status--whatever. Even if those things can factor into it, all those ideas equal "what do I have to do to earn the right to be with a woman". Questioning what qualities the woman should have, almost never comes into the picture. Why would it, if you see women as Queen and yourself as servant. Your needs and requirements, what are those? As a guy I'm allowed to have standards? Do I deserve standards? Aren't I just a stupid caveman? I have years and years of apologizing for the opressing of women to do, I have to show them that I'm special and that I am not sexual. That's the only way they'll have sex with me. Blah.
That's not the natural order of things. That's denying your basic human nature and being ashamed to be a male human being. I saw the movie Superbad and there was a great example of this, at the party the guy is getting seduced by the chick, she is taking control, throwing herself at him, all the while he is trying to slow her down and make it mean too much, complimenting her, telling her how beautiful she is, and all she wants to do is screw. He was playing the female role. She was playing the male role, to compensate for the lack of masculinity he had, becasue he felt it was wrong to be a man. Then she asks why he's being such a bytch about it.
He's being such a bytch about it (as far as fictional characters go) because he grew up believing this BS about supplicating to women. /rant.