Is monogamy a myth?

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Sometimes, I look at men like Denzel Washington or John F. Kennedy, Jr., and wonder how men like that could ever possibly be faithful to their partners. Rich, famous, handsome, powerful, prestigious, popular. What is it like to have women offering you EVERYTHING ... ALL THE TIME?

Given how women outnumber men on this planet, sometimes I wonder if it is really possible for men to be monogamous. I know, I know, women cheat too, but it seems like men cheat more. And yes, they're usually cheating with women (or even other men). It's a vicious cycle.

Look at our divorce rate. Are we being unrealistic? Are we really meant to be monogamous? How can we have truly balanced, healthy relationships where sex is not used as a weapon or as an escape?
 

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I believe some Asian cultures solved that problem. A man can have a wife for raising his family and the man can still go to the HOs.
 

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Is monogamy a myth? Hardly. Study after study shows that those who have waited for marriage before having sex and who have never cheated on their spouse are far and away happier than those who have had multiple partners/cheated and also enjoy happier sex lives. Yes, you heard that right.

This fight onslaught on monogamy we've seen in recent years is but another game of self-gratification brought on by hedonists. Monogamy has worked for centuries, and studies also show its the most effective way to raise a child.

I guess it may not be for everyone, but it's in our society's best interest to promote it.

Just as an FYI, coming from a broken home/fatherless household is a stronger indicator that socioeconomic status that a child will enter a life of crime.

Don't get me wrong. Wealthy, powerful men have had mistresses for ages. They haven't always been the happiest folks on earth, though.
 

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Akindofblue:

What garbage!

Of course the religious nuts report that they are happier never having sex until marriage, etc. They don't know any better!

True happiness is not ignorance. Ignorance is bliss? Sound familiar?

True happiness is knowing about all possibiliites and then selecting what you want. If that is monogamy, so be it. But don't tell me the morons who don't know anything else are happier. How can they be happy when they have nothing to compare it to?

They are just brainwashed into thinking they are happy. That's not for me

Wake up from the matrix akindofblue!

Dietzcoi
 

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Um, JFK had affairs with his secretaries in the whitehouse. He swam naked with them in the pool
 

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Point is.

It can be whatever you want it to be.

If subscribe to a certain religion, I won't tell you what's the right one and what's the wrong one. Likewise, you can't tell me what football team took root for.

Same applies here, there's no "right" institution for your life. Pundits will tell you "how" it is, but how it works for you is what's best for you.

Does monogamy work? Sure.
All the time? Nope.
Nothing works all the time.

If you want to raise kids, then you must accept the fact that 2 parents work better than a broken home. Yes, it works and you can raise a child without 1, but if you want to tilt the scales in your favor, realize having happy, healthy parents are must to raise a child. And if you want the joy and responsibility of raising children, then must also "buy the cow", too. No if's, and's, or but's.

Again, marriage is a promise between 2 people. Not 3, not 4, not animals, not aliens. People, be they straight or gay. Don't get married hoping to perver the institution. If you're going to play the game, play it by the rules or don't play at all. People say "don't hate the player, hate the game." It applies here. There's no grey area with such things, and if people realized that, they'd be happier with situations.

We CHOOSE to be manogamous. We CHOOSE to cheat. Yes we have drives, yes it's hard to be faithful, hence why you're here to learn the most from life. Does that mean we can't be manogamous? No. It means if you CHOOSE to do it, you can. Simply put. If you believe you can't, you won't, and when offered the opportunity to cheat, you will. If you believe you can, you will, and you'll remain faithful.


B.E.A.R.
 

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Originally posted by Life-Trainee
I believe some Asian cultures solved that problem. A man can have a wife for raising his family and the man can still go to the HOs.
Most traditional Japanese men do not have sex with their wives after the women have given birth because they only see them as the mothers of their chrildren from that point on. Thus, they are free to have sex with as many other women as they want without losing any face - so long as they do not betray their wives 'in their hearts'. Women are allowed to do the same.


Oh well, even penguins cheat.;)
 

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Humans are the most monogamous out of all the species. Monogamy implies that there is a large degree of parental investment. Parental investment is applicable to low birthrates, as practiced in humans. However, this also results in intelligent children who live healthy lifestyles. Anyone can tell you that children with divorced parents end up having terrible relationships.
 

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Oh well, even penguins cheat

Come on dude, are you a penguin?

Species are different.

Do penguins drive cars?

Baby homosapiens take a considerable amount of time to rear compared to other species.

Is it feasible for an 10 year old to make it in the WILD?

Possible not probable.

We are different, and we pride ourselves on being above other animals (is there any other species that have zoos or central air?).
Yet when we want to justify certain elements of our personality, we're quick to use analogies to the animal kingdom:rolleyes:

Truth is, we don't know what early humans did. In all probabitlity, they had monogamous pairing (to ensure successful child rearing).
Especially then, as an absent father isn't going to be effective in protecting his offspring from the lion attack.

The difference between now and then is anonymity. It's the same reason people act like punks on the internet (a faceless medium), and gives rise to behaviors that WOULD NOT be tolerated in the village of yore.
 
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"What is it like to have women offering you EVERYTHING ... ALL THE TIME?"

Let me tell you it feels dam good as these emails show:

"I would like to take you to see a movie some evening when you are
free.......
A back rub...head rub....foot rub...feet rub.......hand rub......... "


"like to take you for appetizers somewhere soon...
I know you are dieting..you let me know when........
I need fu-cked baby.....really bad....are you game..... "
 

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Entropy, I was not saying that cheating is right, I only said that it happens.


Get over yourself...:D
 

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Marriage

The percentage of happy married people who cheat is smaller than the number of unhappy married people who cheat.

Seems simple enough...
 

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Dietzcoi:

The "reiglious nuts?" Well, well. It looks like we have a bigot on our hands. And who are you to just assume that the religious are the only people who might choose to remain monogamous or who might wish to abstain from sex until marriage?

True happiness is not ignorance. Ignorance is bliss? Sound familiar?
What is this garbage? Do you really think spitting out platitudes proves anything? I alluded to scientific studies to make my points. You're basing yours on logical leaps that fall flat on their face. Aren't you then ignorant of what it is to make love to but one person for your entire life and to have shared that commitment over the course of time beginning with one's life-long commitment to marriage? You, my friend, are also ignorant, so get off your pedantic, inflated, and self-centered highhorse.

True happiness is knowing about all possibiliites and then selecting what you want. ...But don't tell me the morons who don't know anything else are happier.
There is is folks. This man has defined "true" happiness. If you feel happiness for any other reason, you're fake. This man would also seem to advocate making love to sheep. Afterall, if you're ignorant to what it is to make love to a sheep, how can you determine that you would rather make love to humans instead of sheep? Ignorance is bliss (nevermind that "bliss" is a state of happiness, anyway). There you go. Go make love to a sheep and compare. Then you'll know if you're really happy. :D

They are just brainwashed into thinking they are happy. That's not for me
Who in God's green earth are you tell them whether they are happy or not? I don't care what's for you, snob. The fact of the matter is that they are themselves happy, they report being happy, and they do so far moreso than the general populace. This includes happiness with their sex life and with their partner. Meanwhile, self-described hedonists report some of the lowest levels of satisfaction over the course of a lifetime. Why? Perhaps because their actions are derived solely for the purpose of seeking pleasure and really mean nothing to them. Purely sensical. No substance. Lasting only for the minute.

Wake up from the matrix akindofblue!
Admit it. You let your bigotry stand in the way of reason (and factual data). Another nice platitude, though.

Dude, there is no spoon. :rolleyes:
 

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some animals choose mates for life


But I think I would rather have a "group" marriage arrangement. I think that would work out the best. I dont mean I would just have like 3 wives, there would be other males in the group as well. It would be a group of about 6-8 individuals, with no more than 3 males.
 

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Originally posted by dietzcoi
Akindofblue:

What garbage!

Of course the religious nuts report that they are happier never having sex until marriage, etc. They don't know any better!

True happiness is not ignorance. Ignorance is bliss? Sound familiar?

True happiness is knowing about all possibiliites and then selecting what you want. If that is monogamy, so be it. But don't tell me the morons who don't know anything else are happier. How can they be happy when they have nothing to compare it to?

They are just brainwashed into thinking they are happy. That's not for me

Wake up from the matrix akindofblue!

Dietzcoi
Holy cow dude, can we say HUMAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE?

That post just reeks of bitterness. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they turned a blind eye to all other options. I have decided that being a male slut is not for me, and I didn't need to be a male slut first to decide that. Is that ignorant? No.

Religious nuts? Sorry dude, you're an atheist nut. If I were an atheist, I would be embarassed of you right now.
 

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Monogamy is a myth, or at least it's becoming a myth in my life. I'll explain why.

Before I discovered mASF and sosuave, I really believed monogamy was the only way a person could be happy. I mean, as much as I envied the benefits of a player-like lifestyle, in the end I always thought it was an empty existance.

So I started applying knowledge from gunwitch, mASF, sosuave and started getting results. One of the first things I learned, was that it was 10x easier to steal somebody's girlfriend then it was to keep one. Which leads me to my next argument, who cheats more, women or men?

Women by far. I don't want you to think I'm being bitter towards women or anything like that, I love women, despite their flaws. But lets face the facts.

As men, it is up to us to do all the approaching. The only way for women to approach men in the way men approach women is for the man to look like an underwear model or have a celebrity status. An important thing to consider is: a man who is happy with his partner will not bother looking for a replacement, because he doesn't need the extra effort it takes to attain something that he already has. By being in a happy relationship, he will not make that extra effort to place himself in a position where he may consider cheating.

A woman on the other hand, especially a beautiful woman, will always get approached by guys wherever she goes. She will always be approached by single guys, mostly afcs, and she will always be put in a position where she may consider a replacement.

Picture that, as a guy, if you were in a relationship, even if it was a happy one, but you were approached by 5-10 women a day who showed low to high signs of interest in you, how long could you hold out? A week? A month? Suppose you had a week long fight with your partner, and got approached by 5-10 women the next day that showed signs of low to high interest in you, would you stay with your gf and work it out, or give into the temptation for just a little while? What if one of those girls put you in a sexual state within 10 minutes of talking to you, and you knew in your head that if you didn't take this oppurtunity, you'd prolly miss out on some of the best sex of your life?

When humans enter sexual states, they will disregard the world around them. They will forget their morals, social values, their good upbringing, and will just give in to it. Gunwitch method is based on this human weakness, and that's why it's so successful. The simple truth is, if you can put a girl into her sexual state, she will forget everything. She will forget about her boyfriend, about what's right and wrong, and just cave in. I have been involved with women that had boyfriends at the time, and I've had oppurtunities (which I never took) to be involved with engaged/married women.

So now that I know all this, now that I know how fragile humans are when the heat is on, how can I ever put all my trust into one girl? There is no way I can ever believe that one person is so special and unique from the rest of the world that they will resist the temptation if it happens. The fact is, if the oppurtunity is tempting enough, every girl will become a hor [(c.) PRL].

What is monogamy? It is an investment of time. You invest your time into one, and one person only. Listen, no matter how good your stock is, its value will go down over time. Sooner or later, you have to get rid of it, or it will ruin you.

The funny thing is, I'm typing all this while in a monogamous relationship with a great girl. She's respectful, fun to be around, and an amazing lover. However, I don't trust her. She hasn't given me reasons not to trust her. She's been nothing but great to me, and has yet given me a reason to question her loyalty. I don't trust her because I know that humans are fragile, and if put into a position where the temptation is too strong, I know she will cave like everybody else.

So now I'm getting to the point where I think monogamy itself is an empty existance. I mean what's the point of investing all your time in one person, if you can't trust them? I'm re-evaluating everything I've learned and am starting to see the simple beauty of a polygamous/player lifestyle. Your partners invest in you, you invest very little into them. If your investments start to fail, it doesn't matter, because you still made all the profit you wanted, and have other investments to fall back on. You never lose.

Out of respect, I plan on riding this relationship out till its end (or until the girl gives me a good reason to walk), but once it's done, I'm probably done with monogamy for good.

my 2c.
 

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I like TiBear and MoM ideas. Really good.

I believe that monogamy isn't going to work, at least not in America. There's too many choices, too much temptation, and too many setbacks if the marriage fails.

As an analogy, if I had my choice, I wouldn't mind driving different cars every year (if I could afford it), instead of buying only one car and keeping it until it dies. There are new models coming out every year, with different styles, different performances. It's just too tempting.

But I know it's more complicated, and that happy marriage is essential for childrearing. So my conclusion is this... I will only consider marriage (and be as faithful as possible) if I want to start a family. There is really no point in tying the knot if I'm not raising a child.
 

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MOM, although your explanation is great...in theory...its not how real life works.


Originally posted by MindOverMatter
A woman on the other hand, especially a beautiful woman, will always get approached by guys wherever she goes. She will always be approached by single guys, mostly afcs , and she will always be put in a position where she may consider a replacement.

Beautiful women don't get "approached," they get whistled at, stared at, and generally sexually harrassed...they RARELY get 'approached' by a guy who would actually have a chance with her.

Why do you think so many beautiful women say they can't find a guy? YES, she will get attention...it won't be the kind of attention that will attract her to the source.

I know this girl, she is rather hot. I walked up to her just as she was talkin to this black dude who thinks hes a 'playah.'

This is what she was saying as I walked up...

"What the hell are you doing? This isn't yours, this is Phoenix's, you can't just LOOK at it whenever you feel like it, you have to ask him permission before you even dare look at THIS *moves her chest out forwards for an added OOMPH*"

So I come up, put my arms around her, grin at the dude, and whisk her away.

I'M NOT EVEN DATING THIS GIRL, we are not an item, nothing

But you know what this DOES suggest? If we WERE an item, and some dumbass tryed pulling **** with her, her little "please phoenix" mentality would kick in and she would actually FEEL GOOD about rejecting the moron and proclaiming my possesion over her.

"Taken" women are very unapproachable. Maybe its just me, but I'm the kind of guy girls wish they COULD say they belonged to. Some guy comes up... "ahhahaha, no im sorry, im with HIM"

A woman who is proud of her man will give off body language that screams "go ahead, try something, i dare ya, itll give me an excuse to show off my great bf."

Would you approach a girl like that? Why would you waste your time?

How many guys do you know? How many of them are succesful with most women?

The odds that your girl will get approached by someone who will sway her from you are VERY low.


Well, as I know HB9.9's are rare...so, let's say you have an 8. This is a girl that, in my opinion, is a higher risk for cheating than the knockout. Guys will approach her like he DOES actually have a chance with her, and that can be very persuading.


So IMO, your theory only applies to "average" or "cute" girls, and starts to loose its validity with HOT- HOT BABE girls.
 
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