Is kneeling down to propose beta/afc like or not?

[taiyuu_otoko]

I don't like the idea of kneeling to propose. Backbreaker makes a good point but I can't sort of get past the idea that kneeling to propose is almost akin to begging.

This obviously depends on the relationship. If she recognizes things you'd like, and gives them to you without worrying about losing her "womanhood" or anything like that, then I say give her her dream proposal.

So long as you're not ALWAYS doing what she wants, and it's a give and take relationship, then by all means. Make it as sappy as possible.

If, in your mind, you're thinking, "I'm doing this as a gift to her," then it's OK.

but if you're thinking, "I'm trying to supplicate her and convince her to marry me, " then you're already doomed.

Actions, in and of themselves, are meaningless without the proper intention behind them.

 

[zekko]

I don't think you're AFC for doing this necessarily, although I do think the tradition is AFC.

I was reading that the kneeling bit comes from the act of knights kneeling before the king or queen to be knighted, or receive some honor. So the act is giving reverence to the person, almost as toward a superior. So it's almost literally putting the woman on a pedestal - you get down and look up at her.

I know guys here will hear the word "knight" and freak out, screeching "White Knight! AFC!". But I actually admire knights, living by a code and such.

I don't even think there's anything wrong with chivalry, which also comes from knights. The problem is, as Boilermaker pointed out, feminists have thrown away all traditions which give the male the advantage, while expecting the men to still be chivalrous. I'm not sure that works in the modern age. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

For instance, by tradition men are the leaders, providers, and protectors, but women have demanded equality, and either covet the male role for themselves or give it to the state instead of the man.

As for engagement rings, that's just a ripoff scam that the jeweley business came up with.

 

[nismo-4]

F**k western marriage!

Ready to hand over half your hard earned sh*t mother f**ker?

I got a new lease on life since I stopped believing in true love and a happy marriage. I know women get their happily ever after when the divorce happens. F**k that sh*t! I'll stick with my happily ever before!

 

[backbreaker]

I don't think you're AFC for doing this necessarily, although I do think the tradition is AFC.

I was reading that the kneeling bit comes from the act of knights kneeling before the king or queen to be knighted, or receive some honor. So the act is giving reverence to the person, almost as toward a superior. So it's almost literally putting the woman on a pedestal - you get down and look up at her.

I know guys here will hear the word "knight" and freak out, screeching "White Knight! AFC!". But I actually admire knights, living by a code and such.

I don't even think there's anything wrong with chivalry, which also comes from knights. The problem is, as Boilermaker pointed out, feminists have thrown away all traditions which give the male the advantage, while expecting the men to still be chivalrous. I'm not sure that works in the modern age. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

For instance, by tradition men are the leaders, providers, and protectors, but women have demanded equality, and either covet the male role for themselves or give it to the state instead of the man.

As for engagement rings, that's just a ripoff scam that the jeweley business came up with.

like i said, the key to a GOOD /solid /healthy long term relationship is knowing the difference between healthy compromises and unhealthy sacrifices.

Dating a woman is a lot lke being in the senate. There is some ****, that you believe in and you want and you aren't budging. There is some **** she believes in and she wants, and she isn't budging.

on the other hand, there are things you don't care for, that under the right circumstance, if they are going to make her happy, you can budget on for the greater good of the relationship and likewise.

this is one of those things that I don't care for but i don't care so much about against that if it's gonna make my wife that much happier, i'm not really gonna put up a fight as long as she's doing what she is suppose dto do. who the **** cares lol? I odn't give a **** about looking AFC there is no question who runs my house, that's not gonna change beucase i got on my knee to propose. and it didn't. if anything beucase i gave her what she wanted it made my job much easier.

I mean, most men, do not have the slightest clue how much women look forward to being married. You know how we get together and go to football games and ****? women get together and go to weddings. they browse threw bridal magazines like we pick up sports magazines. My wife has never been married in her life, and knew step by step everything that had to be done for the **** to go down smoothly. they've been preparing for this day forever.

so in the grand scheme of things, as long as my wife or at that point, my GF is doing what i want her to do, who cares. let her have her day. there is **** that she bends on that I want or like to do. this is the moment they haver been dreaming of and if she has worked her ass off to earn it, give it to her. give it to her all the way.


the fact that you are marrying her int he first place, atl east for me, it rewarding her for being such a kick ass companion and letting her know that hte feeeling was very much mutual. and ****, if i'm doing so that she can have her day and i'm doing it as a reward, **** don't half ass make her happy lol. make her happy. at least that's the way i see it. if i was honestly still worried about coming off as BETA or some ****,marriage would be the furthest thing from my mind with her. this is a woman who 2 weeks ago called me just to ask could she use our joint Amex card to take her girlfriends out for dinner, and wanted to confirm doing so would not **** up any business stuff i had going on becuase she grabbed the wrong purse and we keep a backup Amex in our glove compartment of our car(s). and had i said nope she would have brought her happy ass home without a peep. lol i'm not worried about getting on a knee or not makes me look Aflpha/beta. and

 

[zekko]

Pick your battles in other words.

Yeah, women love weddings. There's an old saying the wedding is for the woman, and the marriage is for the man. Well, it used to be, anyway.

A lot of women don't seem to enjoy marriage for whatever reason. They can't wait to get married, but then find it doesn't meet their (unrealistic) expectations. Too boring, too much drudgery, too tiring (if you have children), not enough romance or excitement. Too much like regular life instead of the fairy tale.