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Is it worth using gear?

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Is it worth it to use gear to get a really impressive physique? Would it really make a big difference in life, with how girls are with you and people in general?
 

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Is it worth it to use gear to get a really impressive physique? Would it really make a big difference in life, with how girls are with you and people in general?
I think if you have trained for years naturally and you want to see what is possible then a little extra push is ok. Only a little though.

If you haven't trained and you want to dive in without conditioning your body I think you could seriously do some damage.

Personally I would love to try it one day but I am terrified of losing my hair, so probably never going to happen.
 

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Personally I would love to try it one day but I am terrified of losing my hair, so probably never going to happen.
That's the main reason I've never tried it, don't want to lose my hair. Plus don't want the acne. Or the heart problems.
 

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No come on man. If youre running gear in cycles of high doses and not doing it properly you risk harming yourself. If you do a consistent dose or cruise you could be ok. Just go to a TRT clinic and get it done there.
Personally i got shredded and sure it gets your foot in the door with the ladies but if there's no substance behind the shred then youre back to square one
 

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No come on man. If youre running gear in cycles of high doses and not doing it properly you risk harming yourself. If you do a consistent dose or cruise you could be ok. Just go to a TRT clinic and get it done there.
Personally i got shredded and sure it gets your foot in the door with the ladies but if there's no substance behind the shred then youre back to square one
So basically you're saying it is worth it if you do it right??? I'm not saying I'm using any time soon moreso I was thinking after a few years of natty lifting. You go to a trt clinic for it?? Do they just give you them?
 

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No come on man. If youre running gear in cycles of high doses and not doing it properly you risk harming yourself. If you do a consistent dose or cruise you could be ok. Just go to a TRT clinic and get it done there.
Personally i got shredded and sure it gets your foot in the door with the ladies but if there's no substance behind the shred then youre back to square one
Can you look impressive enough natty with ladies?
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Is it worth it to use gear to get a really impressive physique? Would it really make a big difference in life, with how girls are with you and people in general?
If you've put in 6-8 years of solid lifting, nutrition, etc and have done everything "by the book" and still aren't happy with where you are at and over age 25, then I'd say you can consider it.

But not until then. With no foundation any gains you make will be short lived and you'll return to the same crappy physique you had prior to it relatively quickly.
 

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It depends on why you're using them I guess. As some of the other guys mentioned, I don't want to use them myself because of the potential risks, however small. Also I've heard it's really hard to come off them once you've experienced the high of being on them.
 

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Guys who make a living with their physique, like models or strippers, have a unique argument that it is a calculated risk.

The thing that stands out to me is that the people who seem to know what they are talking about in regard to doing gear safely talk like they are having a PhD-level discussion in chemistry. No one I know who did steroids had half the brain power required to understand the complexity of doing it with minimal risk, nor were they interested in such academic undertakings even if they were capable.
 

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Guys who make a living with their physique, like models or strippers, have a unique argument that it is a calculated risk.

The thing that stands out to me is that the people who seem to know what they are talking about in regard to doing gear safely talk like they are having a PhD-level discussion in chemistry. No one I know who did steroids had half the brain power required to understand the complexity of doing it with minimal risk, nor were they interested in such academic undertakings even if they were capable.
Bible belt tell me a bout the orgins of the avatar pic
 

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If you've been working out for years and have a good foundation to work with only then would I ever consider it. More importantly, you know the ins and outs of all the substances you're going to put in your body. I'd personally stay away from GH and insulin. If I were to do a cycle, Test-Dbol or Test-Anadrol. Blood work every so often is very important along with having your PCT supps on hand.
 

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Most women are not attracted to meat heads on gear.
Arguably most women are not attracted to you anyway, but being on gear would help you fill a niche like being a musician or something would. There are no women lining up to f*ck you because you're not on gear. That's not advocating it, I'm just saying.

Personally I would never juice unless it was for actually improving my health, ie. being diagnosed with low testosterone. Doing it just to attract women seems pathetic to me since it's a totally fake "achievement" that you may be compromising your own health for, it's not like becoming more attractive by learning to dance, play guitar, or anything else that actually requires and accomplishes some personal growth. The lowest point you can reach is at the juicers who try to lie about juicing - which is most of them.
 

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Arguably most women are not attracted to you anyway, but being on gear would help you fill a niche like being a musician or something would. There are no women lining up to f*ck you because you're not on gear. That's not advocating it, I'm just saying.

Personally I would never juice unless it was for actually improving my health, ie. being diagnosed with low testosterone. Doing it just to attract women seems pathetic to me since it's a totally fake "achievement" that you may be compromising your own health for, it's not like becoming more attractive by learning to dance, play guitar, or anything else that actually requires and accomplishes some personal growth. The lowest point you can reach is at the juicers who try to lie about juicing - which is most of them.
What do you mean by "most women are not attracted to you anyway?" So you're pretty much saying that if someone was to take gear they'd have lots of girls wanting to fu*k them?
 

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What do you mean by "most women are not attracted to you anyway?"
I mean that for most men, most women they talk to are not going to be into them for one reason or another whether it's something you said/did/have/haven't/are/aren't. The odds get better the more attractive attributes you possess (already in her social circle, tall, handsome, good smooth talker, local dj, great dancer, etc.) and the less options that are better than you a woman has, but that's the baseline.
 
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