Is it worth taking martial arts, if you dont learn the whole system?

[Chillisauce]

personally i'd let the guy get beat up by the MT guy in a controlled environment. Its better than him growing older thinking he's a great fighter like almost every untrained chump out there, then getting seriously injured when he picks a fight.

Just make sure he's wearing a mouthguard, you gotta protect your teeth. And if the MT guy is willing, go with gloves too. Sometimes we need someone to bring us back to reality, if he thinks he stands a chance after a single night's training then the beating will do him good.

Just to reinterate because this is hell-important for both his safety and to avoid a lawsuit - Make him wear a mouthguard.

When i was younger i knocked out a guys front teeth and boy do i regret it, its pretty close to the stupidest thing i have ever done.

 

[Jay-X]

Originally posted by Chillisauce
personally i'd let the guy get beat up by the MT guy in a controlled environment. Its better than him growing older thinking he's a great fighter like almost every untrained chump out there, then getting seriously injured when he picks a fight.

Just make sure he's wearing a mouthguard, you gotta protect your teeth. And if the MT guy is willing, go with gloves too. Sometimes we need someone to bring us back to reality, if he thinks he stands a chance after a single night's training then the beating will do him good.

Just to reinterate because this is hell-important for both his safety and to avoid a lawsuit - Make him wear a mouthguard.

When i was younger i knocked out a guys front teeth and boy do i regret it, its pretty close to the stupidest thing i have ever done.

man, mine was just an example i think you didn't read the whole thread... and you're right since it's pretty long.
anyway, briefly what we are discussing about is this:

1. we were talking about martial arts, and the obvious question (which MA is the best) came up as usual

2. bullmoose said that if you want to be good at street fighting, spending a night with a bouncer who teaches you some moves will allow you to beat muay thai guys, bjj guys, boxers and stuff like that

3. i replied saying that a night learning moves with a bouncer will allow you to beat someone who's not a martial artist (or has been into martial arts for less than 6 months), but any expert martial artist will still be able to beat you, unless you're 50 lbs heavier than him

4. the discussion went on and manuva agreed with bullmoose


sincerely, i still believe that a night with a bouncer is really effective, but won't make you able to beat martial artists

 

[Chillisauce]

Thanks for the catchup , its nearly 6 am so i think i scan read it, stupid me.

Hmm, i agree alot of bouncers will be able to show you some nice tricks - but most of them will probably be from MA anyway. We have 3 bouncers training at my boxing gym.

I agree with you, one night training in anything is not going to help you in a fight V someone who has been doing MA for some time unless you have a combination of luck, weight advantage, are less drunk or you get in a sucker punch

Its all theoretical though, if we're talking street fighting like Bullmoose suggests then we'd also have to take it into account that they usually involve weapons and/or multiple attackers which makes everything messy. I try my hardest to avoid fights outside the ring, MA isnt going to help you much when 2 or more thugs are out for blood. And even if you win the fight, you loze the war.

To end this debate i offer a solution, each side gets one hamster from the same litter > both male and of equal size. You are allowed to raise your hamster in whatever style you require but after 3 weeks we make them fight to the death. When only one hamster remains, that team wins.

 

[bullmoose]

Hamster Death Match would be a good name for a band.

 

[Chillisauce]

We have a band in Australia called 'The beautiful girls' but they're all men, i was quite dissapointed.

Would your band have hamsters of some kind? or at least scantily clad women .

 

[manuva]

Where do you train Chilli?

 

[Chillisauce]

http://www.kyokushinbrisbane.com/info/dojo_info.htm - my kyokushin school, drop by sometime if your in brisbane.

I do boxing in Toowoomba, i'll dig a link up for you later. 7am and have an exam today so better sleep, take care .

EDIT: Drop in your location if your looking for a decent martial arts school, my instructor should be able to suggest one in your city > and if you live in Brissie you should come along, i'll teach you MA and you can teach me how to get women .

 

[Hamer]

This is my openion about MA ... I did ITK and Karate for over 10years .... since 4 years I learn Kung-fu and Yangstyle Taijiquan from one Chinese master .... All martial arts has their own advantage and disadvantages ... one have to find out which is good for him. I do not learn martial arts only to fight ... I like Kung-fu ...yes kung-fu is complecated! any one who like to learn MA in fast way ..better learn Taekwondo or Karate etc.... they are easy to learn ...depending not only how good ur teacher is ...how u learn from him.
If u want to Learn how to fight ...first u have to learn the techinices ...but those traditional way of walking stances are not helping u to be a good fighter ... when u come to fight whather it is kung-fu or taekwondo u must use just like a boxer by dancing here and their and learn speed, timing and when to use the right tools etc...
I learn them just to keep my self fit and to train with out any partner ... I learn Taiji just to understand kungfu better and to learn more about yin and yang....plus when the time comes (when i get old) I meight not use my feets and hands like young age..then I'll practice Taijiquan. I dont know how long will take to learn eagle claw ... I didnt learn only eagle my school teaches 5 animals ... in 4 years I've a brown belt in kungfu. I dont see any point to spend 30 years ....may be i'll train it for more than 30years.

This is just to say what ever u learn as far as u like it and having fun ...just learn it ....

 

[Flyer]

Originally posted by Chillisauce

It seems like you have a good school there if you practice like boxing. Do you do plenty of padword (not so much airhitting) and go fullcontact sparring?

How well does your Kung Fu work in the ring? Do you find yourself using more boxing principles such as cross, jap and hook or does your KF translate well? I'm very interested, also what type of KF is it - Wing Chun?

Lotta padwork.. right now, learning a form with a 80kg sandbag.. teaches timing and distance. Hands gets pretty roughed up thou.

I end up using mostly boxing techniques (I think). You can't really do grabbing and pulling in techniques in gloves.

How does it translate? I don't know man.. when I spar, all I think of is.. guard up, guard up. Incoming punch, hook block the punch.. jab, jab. Kick incoming, knee up block, step down, 3 punches, move back, guard up.

Thou sometimes, I use a KF move that works pretty well.

They straight punch.. block hook (right hand) from inside to out (circular movement), follow through with a straight left punch, pull in the left hand, use the momentum to swing the right hand (slightly bent, otherwise you'll jar your arm) hit him with the back of the 2 knuckles... as that is happening, spin your body with the arm so that your left leg is in front, swing the left arm, to hit with the back of the fist, and spin once more to hook down with the right arm. Returning to right foot first (cat stance).

This has the same effect of attacking both high and low at the same time, cus as I spin, my foot sweeps his ankles and that'll either trip him or make him even more off balance.

Do they use the hook block in boxing?

I do Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu.

 

[Chillisauce]

I havent heard of your style before but it sounds better than alot of other schools out there, stick with it.

Cat stance in Kung Fu is most of the weight on the backfoot with the front leg's knee guarding groin right? I'm really not sure on terminology outside karate, TKD, boxing and alittle bjj.

What you described sounds like a kung Fu block + counter attack, we dont do blocks like that > the bigger boys just keep their hands up and pound you back one. How to you manage to catch your partner's punches with that block and what if they're already following through > say a simple jab, cross.

I'm only 150 lbs, but hopefully i'll be 180 by the time i'm living in japan.

Hamer - what style of Karate did you do?

 

[WORKEROUTER]

Originally posted by ScrewIt
bullsh!t!. Just cuz you know a little BJJ, you're going to put down every other martial arts? You're going to base the power of BJJ on a guy who just learned a little kung fu? First off even if you know a little basics of bjj, it's easy to tackle down anyone and win. i know cuz my friend knows the basics and then some.

And second of all, learning martial arts is about discipline and mastering the forms. If you dont have both of those, then you shouldnt even be bother with martial arts in the first place.

And again, your post obviously proves Clint Eastwood's post correct. Besides to fully Master an Art takes average probably 10 years, so dont argue how crappy any other martial arts are until you do the research.

My final statement: all martial arts has good points and flaws, there is no perfect one martial arts, so a hybrid is the best bet.

It seems that you have the right idea about fighting, but why do you ignorantly persist in trying to show that Eagle Claw is actually an effective system?

You know it's bullsh*t. And you know what? I would bet that any guy who's had some good training in BJJ or muay thai for a year would be able to take down a much more experienced Eagle Claw practioner.

 

[manuva]

Originally posted by Chillisauce
http://www.kyokushinbrisbane.com/info/dojo_info.htm - my kyokushin school, drop by sometime if your in brisbane.

I do boxing in Toowoomba, i'll dig a link up for you later. 7am and have an exam today so better sleep, take care .

EDIT: Drop in your location if your looking for a decent martial arts school, my instructor should be able to suggest one in your city > and if you live in Brissie you should come along, i'll teach you MA and you can teach me how to get women .

Thanks for the offer of MA instruction, but I'm happy with what I've got.

If you want me to teach you how to get women, it's gonna cost ya: The Modern Man

Good luck with exams mate. Train hard, fight easy.

 

[Hamer]

Originally posted by Chillisauce
I havent heard of your style before but it sounds better than alot of other schools out there, stick with it....

Hamer - what style of Karate did you do?

Sorry for taking long to respond ... didnt see it:-(
It is called Kyokushinkai Karate ...the founder of this art was Master Masutatsu Oyama ..passed away 10 or 11 years ago, am sure u know this art...

 

[Hamer]

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[Chillisauce]

I'm training in that now, only thing i dislike about it is the no punching to head in competitions. We do it in training tho so its not too bad.

 

[Phoenix_of_the_ashes]

I also used to do Kyokushinkai, it style of training helped me get tougher more than anything else, Ive never seen harder training in any Muaythai gym. But I guess that depends on your coach.

 

[Chillisauce]

Yeh the training is what makes it good, comparing it to the dojo i went to when i was younger is like comparing boxing with ballet.

I'm taking the next 3 months off to recover from a knee injury and to try to put on 15 lbs or so, i have 2 years to get into peak condition before i go over to live in Japan. (Going for work , i'm not hardcore enough to want to compete pro for MA)