Is it worth going for strippers?

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I don't see any such generalizations to hold true. Sometimes, but certainly not always. But then, they might see the warm, caring person inside of me :).
 

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The catch is you will never know, if you are not like me you will never know.
 

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I've been like that, but fortunately recovered. It was biochemical. But we're getting off topic.
 

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NickBe said:
The catch is you will never know, if you are not like me you will never know.
Not all strippers are sociopaths, perhaps only the ones you have encountered. Although many have dark, tortured pasts, so do people like the Dhali Llama.. then again, he barely wears anything... must be a trend?
 

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I didn't say they all are but the majority are, almost all the ones I have met are.

Bonhomme it is not a chemical imbalance, you cant recover from being a sociopath. If you are treated as a child you can apparently lead a more normal life whatever that means...

I don't want to be different. I like who I am, i do not want to become part of the masses.
 

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NickBe said:
I didn't say they all are but the majority are, almost all the ones I have met are.

Bonhomme it is not a chemical imbalance, you cant recover from being a sociopath. If you are treated as a child you can apparently lead a more normal life whatever that means...

I don't want to be different. I like who I am, i do not want to become part of the masses.
Thread officially de-railed! We are who we are nick and clinical terms like anti-social disorder or sociopath are used to describe qualities of behavior and thinking processes that some people exhibit as you already know. Knowing who and what you are clearly is important if you are going to live out your full potential. From reading your posts you have found financial and social success but I hear you saying beneath your charm and looks you are soulless. I think people toss around the word soul to mean many things as it is.

I have found people apply sociopath to mean no sense of morality beyond basic survival instincts used to navigate the social system. Would you agree with that or could you better explain it?
 

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First of all I do not agree with the term anti-social personality. If anything I am more social than most people because I can be whoever I want. Basically what I am saying is to survive I have to create emotions that are not really there and they need to be genuine enough that people believe me. I am not bound by emotion so I can alter my personality ever so slightly to interact with different people. It is like I create the perfect illusion for every person I meet. It makes it simple for me to befriend anybody.

no sense of morality beyond basic survival instincts used to navigate the social system
As far as your description goes it is about right. I will also add, inability to love and lack of emotion.

The so called experts also suggest that the majority of sociopaths sexually abuse children. I have to say if I ever met a pedophile I would break his neck. I do not like the idea of a man abusing a child.
 

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I don't want to be different. I like who I am, i do not want to become part of the masses.
Fair enough. Looks like it works for you. Your state definitely appears more controlled than mine was, NickBe.

But there have been some very interesting findings about the correlation between brain wave activity in various areas of the brain and various behavioral characteristics. For example, people who had extremely violent tendencies were completely rehabilitated by playing a sort of video game that exercised a part of the brain that was found to be underactive in such individuals.

if I ever met a pedophile I would break his neck. I do not like the idea of a man abusing a child.
I'd consider that a sense of morality ... even a sort of love, for what it's worth.

Most of the strippers with whom I've associated (which are admittedly a small % of them) I've found to be intelligent, reasonably personable, and (big surprise) more sexual than the average gal. As for being messed up vs. being level-headed, they've run the gamut. The full gamut.

This thread is getting rather interesting.
 

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I am aware of the studies done, on sociopaths the part of the brain that controls emotions/morality is not as active as it would be in a normal person. However like I said I do not want to be different, what I am has made me richer than most people will be in their entire lives in just 3 years. What I am has made me successful.

As for the pedophiles it has nothing to do with the suffering of the children. I believe that pedophiles are unnatural and should be killed. Maybe it does have to do with morality though, maybe I think its wrong. I can't tell if that is what I feel but what I can tell is that if I met a pedophile his life expectancy would shorten dramatically.

See the thing about stripper is if they are sociopath you wouldn't know, most sociopaths hide who they are. It is a survival instinct. I am sure some of them a normal people just trying to pay their way through college.

Sociopaths also share these traits:

- Indulge in drug use or alcohol abuse.

- Can not hold down a steady job.

If that doesn't sound like the average stripper....
 

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Also....I got over my anxiety of beautiful women by going to strip clubs and doing, what I found out later, was C&F routines. Just tease them relentlessly and use cheesy pick-up lines from the 70s...they love it.

You: Is that a ladder in your stockings or a stairway to heaven?
Her: Maybe. So you want a dance?
You: Come on. You really want to ravish my body and you know it.
Her: Fvck you!
You: You gotta buy me dinner first.
 

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NickBe said:
Sociopaths also share these traits:

- Indulge in drug use or alcohol abuse.

- Can not hold down a steady job.

If that doesn't sound like the average stripper....
Do you exhibit those traits Nick? You do speak similarly to the sociopaths i've met. I lived with a very violent sociopath/psychopath and saw the traits you mentioned as well as a lack of remorse for hurting others, problems keeping long-term friends, inability to empathize with others, violence and threats used to get what they want, etc.

Nick, you mentioned in one thread everyone experiences feelings. I've seen the sociopath I knew laugh a genuine laugh only one time when he was high on some shrooms. I wondered if the power of the shrooms allowed him to experience feelings he normally couldn't. It was the first and only time I ever saw joy on his face in the year and a half I knew him.
 

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I could never hold a steady job so I created my own business I only work a week out of every month. I can handle that just fine plus I make a lot of money from it so if I want to keep leading my lifestyle I have to keep my business alive.

As for drugs I never much liked them I have tried weed and coke. Every now and then if somebody is smoking a joint I will join in. As for coke I very rarely do it I mean if I am sleeping with a girl and she pours some on her breasts sure I will sniff it. I cant remember the last time I did it though it must be 2 or 3 months. I do not develop a dependency on drugs. I also do not drink much alcohol I like to keep a level head.

So yes to the cant hold down the steady job but no to the drugs. I have done them and have no qualms about doing them in future but I certainly do not have a habit or indulge.

Sometimes I do experience some things, if I see a man beating a woman I get a feeling of anger. It is more of a lose control kind of anger and I will confront the man. I question though if I am feeling anger towards the man for hitting the woman or if I imagine the feeling of anger for more selfish reasons. It gets a little confusing, if you read the psychology of a sociopath it always says illusions of grandeur. So is it that I just have some sort of savior complex or do I feel genuine anger towards the man. Who is to say sociopaths do not experience some feelings?

Last year I saw a girl get hit by a car, she flew across the road hit the pavement and rolled. When the stopped rolling her head kind of opened. Everybody was freaking out, screaming, crying, in shock. People calling the ambulance and somebody screaming for a doctor. Somehow I knew the girl was dead I knew it, everybody else thought she was still alive but I knew she was dead. Everybody around me was either screaming, crying or silent in shock. I didn't feel anything, I didn't see a dead person, I saw rotting meat. I pretended that I was effected by it like i pretend everything in my life but truthfully it didn't phase me.
 

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NickBe said:
Last year I saw a girl get hit by a car, she flew across the road hit the pavement and rolled. When the stopped rolling her head kind of opened. Everybody was freaking out, screaming, crying, in shock. People calling the ambulance and somebody screaming for a doctor. Somehow I knew the girl was dead I knew it, everybody else thought she was still alive but I knew she was dead. Everybody around me was either screaming, crying or silent in shock. I didn't feel anything, I didn't see a dead person, I saw rotting meat. I pretended that I was effected by it like i pretend everything in my life but truthfully it didn't phase me.
Is there anyone in your life that you have emotional attachment to or are you detached from everyone? Is there anyone that that accident could have happened to that would have phased you?
 

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Family, if somebody hurts my parents, sister or brother I will kill them. That is not an idle threat I will actually kill them. I was not brought up in a house in which everybody hugged and kissed or talked about problems but I was never abused or treated badly.

I am not a psychopath though, I mean if some guy breaks up with my sister I wont go after him.

If somebody in my family gets hurt I will feel it. I also always had a soft spot for my uncle, he was in world war 2.
 

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Wouldn't touch a stripper, a big no-no. I have standards..
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Nick, it sounds like you had a very functional family growing up who loved and cared for one another. Are any of your family members sociopaths?

You mentioned many times it allowed you to become successful financially. Do you truly believe that you could not have been successful were you not a sociopath? Are you afraid that if you were to change you'd lose your ability to pretend and charm people? The reason I ask is because you mentioned in sociopaths the emotional centers of the brain are underdeveloped. As a person who would want to live out their fullest potential, wouldn't you want those underdeveloped areas to improve if you could? Have you made any attempts at doing so? How did that go?
 

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There was love but we didn't confide in one another or hug and stuff like that. Nobody in my family is a sociopath, just me.

I do believe I could not have been successful if I wasn't a sociopath. I had to be ruthless but charming, there are times when I had to appear weak. I mean your average person can not fake weakness. I had to make all the big boys think I was a sheep when in truth I was a wolf. As soon as they thought they had power over me I bit onto their necks until they slowly suffocated (not literally). I had to fight to get to this point and if I was like everybody else I would still be fighting.

I have seen a psychiatrist and they wanted to give me drugs. I didn't take it though, I love my life. I like to think being what I am I have an unbiased view of the world. What I see is that most people are unhappy. I do not want to be unhappy. So no I do not want to have what the masses have. I like who I am, I have everything any man could ever want. Something normal people rarely get.
 

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Who can read and manipulate men better than strippers? Seems like the wrong demographic to go hunting.

I hear you guys saying if you can have fun and not take it serious, not give them money, etc. but there are a lot of fish in the sea.
 

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You are right about your average person not being able to fake weakness because of pride. Boxers and fighters are sometimes taught to show weakness when strong. It was a quote from a boxing movie I remember. You do see some sociopaths in the octagon/ufc for example.

What was the name of the drugs you were prescribed?

I'm glad you love your life. By your description you have figured out how to get along socially with great expertise! Do you exhibit violent tendencies? Where is the line drawn between psychopathic and sociopath? Is there really a difference?

Check this quote out: - source: http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/dmorrill/archives/the-sociopath-in-the-cube-next-door-11631
I used to work with sociopaths at a law firm. If you think they are harmless, think again.

I was viciously attacked, denied being given help, management denied the behavior and actions of the sociopaths, I was called names, I was slandered and libeled, I had my projects sabotaged, I had eye drops and mercury poured into my water cup while another sociopath distracted me, and had a lot of stress heaped on me by sociopaths and management until I developed physical and mental illnesses.

I myself am not a sociopath because I suffer and I suffered a lot and felt a lot of pain, and it made it hard to do any work without getting sick.

Sociopaths affect productivity, morale, destroy teams, sabotage projects, and generally backstab other people. That means they cut into profits and cause a lot of expenses and are a liability.

Sure I wasn't murdered by a sociopath, but they did threaten to murder me, rape me, murder my family, rape my family members, and ruin my career.

In fact, my career was ruined and I haven't worked since 2002.
 

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I do not torture animals and yes I do have some violent tendencies but only towards certain people. More likely than not it is people that purposely insult me. I do not act on it though because I have a strong survival instinct and do not want to end up in jail. I just show these people my dark side and usually that is all it takes for them to back off. I have a chilling stare or so I have been told..

Sociopaths and psychopaths are the same thing. I believe there are degrees though, you have your serial killers, you have your con men and you have guys like me. I think it has a lot to do with how the person has been raised and what kind of trauma they have face in their lives especially when young. I do not actively look to hurt people but if somebody deserves it I have no qualms about hurting them. Like I said if I see a guy beating a girl I will get violent. I do not experience fear, at all. I was mugged once at gun point and it didn't phase me, people walked on egg shells around me thought I would have post traumatic stress. By the next day I had forgotten it.

As for the quote, lawyers are not sociopaths they are pure evil spawned from hell. I thought everybody knew that?

Oh and as for the drugs I cant remember I was 17 and never took them.
 
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