Is it really worth it to go after hot chicks?

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JoeMarron said:
I refuse to cut myself off of a natural human experience because of fear of a woman having an advantage over me. I am my own master. If I just wanna fvck then that's what I'm gonna do. If I wanna fvck and form a deep emotional bond with a woman I'll do that too. I want to experience all the good that being human has to offer without being concerned about who has power or control. At the end of the day I know I'll be alright because I refuse to let a woman turn me into something less than a man. /[/url]
It's been half a year since I logged in - but I had to be reborn because THIS paragraph above states it all. JoeMarron's the man who has been there and done all that, just as I have. You shouldn't give up your freedom of living a human experience here on Earth (the reason why we are all here, idiots!) just because you FEAR women. Then you are really turned beta fooken faggot puzzy man if you stop dealing with women all. You have FAILED to become a DJ.

Thanks JoeMarron for making me log in and +1 on you. :cheer: <--shoot this biatch.

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I can easily imagine pook slapping the OP! Why would you ever limit your goals? To anything in life? Such a shame doing so...
 

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JoeMarron said:
Men have been brainwashed by Disney movies to believe in being chumps while in love. Men have loved long before Disney and feminism came on the scene. The ideal situation is being able to love a woman while having her even more in love with you. It just doesn't make any sense to me to fight a natural and positive emotion. I'm going to allow myself to love a woman just like I allow myself to love my parents, family, future children etc. We may not have complete control over our emotions but we do have control over how we react to them. That's how a man loves a woman while not turning into a pvssified chump. No matter what his emotions may be, he acts in the manner that a man should act.
gold post. someone who i think gets it. that you can have a LTR and not be a wuss and thats the end game of the DJ bible because thats the end game of manhood.

KnightOfCydonia said:
I can easily imagine pook slapping the OP! Why would you ever limit your goals? To anything in life? Such a shame doing so...
ah good old pook how i miss thee.

4north1side2 said:
t's better just to avoid women completely. Love and attraction are chemical responses in the brain that cause people to ignore the fact that there is no logical reason for them to have sex or partner up. Our bodies are designed that way to ensure survival of the species; however, the Earth is so overpopulated that there really isn't any need to have these desires or motivations any more. The only way to excel and come up is to put them aside.

If I told you that I was using a drug that was a leading cause of murder, financial instability, and insanity you would wonder why the fukk I was using it. If I told you it was because it felt good you would rightfully consider me a drug addict. Why is it any different if you replace the word "drug" with the word "puzzy?"

You have dudes who will look down on a crack head for spending $100 on a rock last Friday when they dropped $200 on a date trying to get a piece of ass.

Marriage is even dumber. If you're a grown man think about how many friends you have had since childhood. Not many right? Now think about how many you still see on a daily basis. Now think about how many you still see on a daily basis that you've never had any beef with that caused you not to talk to them for a manner of days. If you can't think of any, and I'm sure 99% of us can't, then how the hell do you expect a relationship with a woman to last a lifetime? The only advantage she has over your friend is puzzy. The problem is that puzzy isn't an advantage at all. It's a highly addictive drug that is more destructive than all other chemicals combined.
for us social loners and hermits just replace trying to get a piece of ass with "video games" cause God knows me and my friends are guilty as hell. but seriously freakin golden post.

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These are the frustrations of a man raised on Disney movies who is still seeking the golden p*ssy.

If you are looking for anything more than sex and reproduction you are a sucker and have already lost the game. In order to spin plates, keep leverage and care LESS about the relationship than the woman.. you MUST see the woman's true value. Most men over-value which leads to frustration. They expect a Honda Civic to act like a Lamborghini because that's what it does in movies. Yeah.. animals talk in movies too. :crackup:

Wake up. Most beta faggots will pay $100,000 for a Honda Civic then cry when it acts like a Honda Civic. Then they ask: Is it even worth it to drive a Honda Civic? Sure its worth it.. provided you view it as a Honda Civic and not a Lamborgini. :up:

Remove the pedestal. There is no golden p*ssy.
hey you leave my dreams of a talking Lion that I can tame and keep as a pet alone.
 

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Speaking of Pook, I present to you,

Aim high!

Pook said:
I know not how others see it; but as for me, I see Don Juaning as making dreams come true.

Dreams! The spice of life, the universal spring of success! But I must be wrong, for Bryan Redford says, ”stick to your own league."(http://www.sosuave.com/home/redfield/bryan22.htm)

Stick to your own league! What does that mean? Does that mean there exists an aristocracy of genetics, and that we happened to be on the bottom, the status of clowns and peasants to these princesses and princes?

“Forgive me, madam. But you, dear, are out of my league.” Is this what we should say to the girls we find gorgeous and beautiful? But why stop there? Why not ask, “Oh, please, may I have permission to speak to you, princess?” or “Thank you, dear, for letting me be in your graceful presence.”

“Pook, you exaggerate.”

Do I? Don’t misunderstand. I think Redford has some wise things to say, but that column of desiring beautiful women is the worst advice I’ve seen. Never cede your dreams for you risk losing your soul.

Redford says that there does in fact exist ‘leagues’, a type of genetic (or social) aristocracy. Just as one would love crumbs and blobs of fat if you were starving, Redford compares overweight women to absolutely no women (taking a page out of the ‘How to Love Fat Bloated Hags’, a sub-genre of the worst relationship books).
Redford then says… Wait! I will let him speak for himself:

"By that I mean no matter how great you think you are, or how deserving you feel you may be, the real world put you back in your place and gave you a reality check. You eventually accept it, adjust to it and learn to appreciate and enjoy your Honda. You also learn rather quickly that a Honda can take you to the exact same places a Mercedes can take you to."

Now for those of you who are cheering his words as “Wonderful!” and “Brilliant!”, I ask only for a full actualization of his advice.

Let us place Redford in front of a custodian. Speak, Redford:

“How are you! You may think that you can do better but the real world puts you in your place and gives you a reality check. You must accept it, adjust to it and learn to appreciate and enjoy your custodial duties.”

And if the custodian responds, “I know I can do better,” what would Redford say? Quiet! Let us hear him:

“If you were starving, would you scoff at your work? No! You would get on your hands and knees and thank God for your fortune. You also learn that a custodian’s paycheck feeds and clothes you just as any other paycheck would.”

This ‘advice’ is called Settling for Mediocrity. If you do it with women, why not use it for every other avenue of your life? Mediocrity in the pursuit for a splinter of joy is no joy at all. For me, the pursuit of the dream is the joy.

The letter writer did admit that he was physically overweight. But that does not mean he has to settle and cede his dreams. (I for one would not want a Mercedes or a very nice car since I know it would be stolen. But if you want a Mercedes, just go get one. There are no limits to what we can accomplish.)

A friend of mine is also faced in a similar situation. He is twenty six, lives with his parents, works at the same grocery store for more then half a decade, has no long term plans for the future, doesn’t work out, and demands a beautiful woman. Obviously, he is caught in a bubble of fantasy.

There is nothing wrong with going for high standards. But, there is a catch. It is this catch, when not obeyed, will keep you in that bubble of fantasy. In fact, Shakespeare has saying on it in which he says…

“The catch, Pook. Get to the catch.”

Very well. Here it is:

The high standards you apply to your desires must be applied to yourself.

Do you want a woman who is not overweight? Then you must eliminate your overweight. Do you want a woman who is intellectually brilliant? Then you must hit the books, read the classics, think, and expand your mind. Do you want a woman who is athletic? Then you too must become athletic.

Try, if you want, to get a woman who is better then you in these traits. You may or may not succeed. But only demand that which you can reflect as well. This forces you on the path of self-improvement.

Let me tell you a story. In my late Nice Guy phase, I fell infatuated with this girl. (Yeah, not uncommon. I know.) And like every Nice Guy, I dreamed of our blissful future. When I would get around her, I become very tense with butterflies in my stomach. Oh, how I dreamed about her! More important, I dreamed about us. So I eventually bit the bullet and asked her out. Guess what her response was?

No.

No.

She said no! My soul buckled and I was literally crushed.

Later, when I shrugged off that Nice Guyness, I was looking for a girlfriend. I thought a break came when a girl, a bit homely, had fallen in love with me a few months later. I thought, “Should I go for her?” Then I realized, “NO!” (Later, I realized that she and my crush were good friends. I eventually found out my crush tried to ‘set us up’.) I knew I could do better. And I did.

By focusing on my interests, on my goals, on my improvement, everything changed. Other girls started to take an interest in me. Soon, I became the biggest mystery. My ‘crush’ is bewildered for her friends have the hots for me and older women say, “How I wish I were twenty years younger!” I became the guy the girls talked about when they were alone. And she had placed me in the ‘average’ category. Ha!

Of course, I lost all attraction for her. I felt embarrassed about my past self. How could I get so whipped by a chick I hardly talked to? Now it doesn’t matter, for I have the mindset that I’m going to win the world.

Perhaps you can relate to the story. But the point is that I disagree with Redford in this: The fault is not in the standards; it is ourselves. The failure is not in our high standards; it is failing to apply those standards in ourselves.

There IS an aristocracy. But it is not an aristocracy of genetics; it is an aristocracy of WILL and PASSION. Name any name in history, any grand person in present, and see if it was their DRIVE that got them where they are. There is no lottery of life. The leagues you see are the ones you create in your own mind. Anyone can get a beauty. Hell, even Voltaire had the audacity to say, “Give me ten minutes of talk and I shall bed the Queen of France.”

Aim high! And as each standard increases, so does yourself. In this manner, you benefit from your fantasy for now it is tethered to reality, yanking you forward in your proper destiny.

Aim high! And behold, for everything shall become new. The women you were lusting for earlier will seem lowly, for you have been on the course of self-improvement while they have not. You worked out; they remained scrawny. You read; they wasted their time. You saved your money and pulled yourself up; they are locked in debt.

Aim high! For Redford says, “Your life depends on it,” and he is more correct then ever, but not in how he means it.

Here is your choice: settle for mediocrity or aim high. The former is simple, can occur right now, and only requires the selling of your dreams. The latter demands rigor, the higher you aim the more rigorous, but your dreams can come true.

Aim high! For Strindberg says, “I dream, therefore I exist.” For to dream is to become.
 

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Pook said:
Do you want a woman who is not overweight? Then you must eliminate your overweight. Do you want a woman who is intellectually brilliant? Then you must hit the books, read the classics, think, and expand your mind. Do you want a woman who is athletic? Then you too must become athletic.
I've always thought this quote of Pook's is kind of dumb. Hasn't he ever heard of opposites attract? An athlete will only ever go out with another athlete? Really? It's ridiculous. For example, a guy might say "I have a few extra pounds on me but I will exchange my great smile, great hair, and social proof (great personality) for a woman with a normal BMI".

You can exchange five nickels for a quarter, or four quarters for a dollar. As long as the Sexual Market Value is comparable, you don't have to have matching attributes, that's just silly.

It's like telling a hot chick she has to have a million dollars to go out with a millionaire. Um, no, she can exchange the value of her looks for the value of the guy's money.
 

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zekko said:
I've always thought this quote of Pook's is kind of dumb. Hasn't he ever heard of opposites attract? An athlete will only ever go out with another athlete? Really? It's ridiculous. For example, a guy might say "I have a few extra pounds on me but I will exchange my great smile, great hair, and social proof (great personality) for a woman with a normal BMI".

You can exchange five nickels for a quarter, or four quarters for a dollar. As long as the Sexual Market Value is comparable, you don't have to have matching attributes, that's just silly.

It's like telling a hot chick she has to have a million dollars to go out with a millionaire. Um, no, she can exchange the value of her looks for the value of the guy's money.
I think Pook talks about the mindset you'll get and how it's easier for a woman to accept someone who has same interests and lives pretty much like her. He is not talking literally, you have to become an athlete to get an athelete, you need though to be athletic. See the difference? I can't go after a 10 year volley player if the only thing I do is staying on my computer getting fatter and fatter! She won't be interested in me at all!

We don't all have money, so we can't "buy" a woman's wants, we need other values.

It reminds me of an example: Meeting a new woman, she is a salsa instructor. Telling her your ex was a dancing teacher, will have her thinking that you were and probably are able of having a dancing teacher as a gf.
 

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Pook said:
Do you want a woman who is not overweight? Then you must eliminate your overweight.
Pook is just straight up wrong on this one. Ever see a fat biker with a skinny biker moll?

Men and women exchange their SMVs. And not all couples have the same interests.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I'm all for self improvement, but Pook is still straight up wrong here.
He says: "Do you want a woman who is not overweight? Then you must eliminate your overweight" (emphasis mine). Must means you have to. Maybe it is a good idea to. But fact is, you see plenty of husky guys with thin women.

Pook says " Do you want a woman who is intellectually brilliant? Then you must hit the books, read the classics, think, and expand your mind. Do you want a woman who is athletic? Then you too must become athletic". This idea that you have to become a carbon copy of the woman you want is just silly. That may be one way of going about it, but to think it's the only way? Too many couples out there with varying interests. If I want an Asian girl should I become Asian? Lol.
 

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zekko said:
I'm all for self improvement, but Pook is still straight up wrong here.
He says: "Do you want a woman who is not overweight? Then you must eliminate your overweight" (emphasis mine). Must means you have to. Maybe it is a good idea to. But fact is, you see plenty of husky guys with thin women.

^This. Almost every husky guy I know gets women. I know plenty of skinny guys that can't score. Skinny is only ok for tall guys.

Pook says " Do you want a woman who is intellectually brilliant? Then you must hit the books, read the classics, think, and expand your mind. Do you want a woman who is athletic? Then you too must become athletic". This idea that you have to become a carbon copy of the woman you want is just silly. That may be one way of going about it, but to think it's the only way? Too many couples out there with varying interests. If I want an Asian girl should I become Asian? Lol.
Very true. I know a lot of women that date opposites. Most women are turned off by guys that are too much like them.
 

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Actually "have to" and "must" do not mean the exact same thing although they seem to be! I still believe Pook is right.

Soon or later the intellectually brilliant woman will get sick of a man who has no education and isn't smart! Looks is the first layer, but then?
Same thing will happen with the biker!

As psychology states, we tend to look alike the people we hang around with! Imagine how a woman would feel if she saw herself becoming fat because her bf do not exercise at all so she follows him (since this is the easiest way, the lazy one).

Of course there are exceptions and we are not talking about the factor "money", but the majority is this. Not millioners, no secret desires for fat, stupid people, or whatever lowers ones character and life.

Also, about the skinny guy thing, Pook had the same thinking as you zekko! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60002
 

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DonJuanit0 said:
Soon or later the intellectually brilliant woman will get sick of a man who has no education and isn't smart!
A lot of guys here looking for that intellectually brilliant woman, right DonJuanit0? ;)

Really, I expect most guys here would even question such a creature's existence, what with all the talk I hear about hamsters.
 

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zekko said:
A lot of guys here looking for that intellectually brilliant woman, right DonJuanit0? ;)

Really, I expect most guys here would even question such a creature's existence, what with all the talk I hear about hamsters.
What if I told you I know 1 woman who is like that? :p (And I do mean it, only 1)

I know man, obviously I will agree to that, but this is just an example to everything else! Don't stay in an example but rather see the whole picture, you won't be with the woman you want if you are lower than her in some basic characteristics! We have to keep up, not stay behind and hope! Don't reply with, "we will do it for them and just to be with them which is wrong", no, it's also good for us, but that's the truth!

Just like you would dump a chick who would get fat in the LTR, same way she would dump you! Just like you wouldn't go for a fat chick if you would hit the gym 5 days per week, same way she wouldn't go for a fat guy who does nothing for his body!
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Im going to toss my 2 cents in and say Pook is right.

I dont think pook is outright telling us we must be in shape to get hot girls but he saying we must take care of ourselves to get hot girls. I think that is theme he is trying to get across. furthermore I think it is pook that states(if its not him its somewhere by someone) that women are reflective in nature. there is a reason she takes your last name. so if you yourself are fat and outshape and otherwise beta she is will reflect that. if you are top of the line then she will reflect that back.

so a hot guy will get a hot chick because it reflects back.

I also think pook starts speaking in his aptly named "womanverse" and is sending a hidden true message.

yes you see fat out of shape guys with hot girls but we see jerks with hot girls. ultimately it doesnt last. furthermore pook is writing to people who have basically failed with women so we really need to be told to get in shape. maybe that other fat guy with a hot girl doesnt need to be told to get into shape but we do.

Pook is right folks. Im sorry but he is.
 

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fuzzball said:
Pook is right folks. Im sorry but he is.
I am all for being in shape (for its own benefit and not just to get women). And I agree, the best way to get a hot chick is to be a hot guy. You made a nice post. However, none of that is what Pook actually said.
 

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SG I made it about half way through your thread before becoming bored and for the most part I just ignore your posts because it seems to be more about receding and proving a point instead of becoming a man.

I have no idea how to engage you in conversation, and judging by the length of things SS doesn't know either. So instead I leave some videos I found most influential for you to contemplate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4SurKqVAAI

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AutULR14C1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ECZMvbLxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWAurSBUgP0
 

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zekko said:
Must means you have to. Maybe it is a good idea to. But fact is, you see plenty of husky guys with thin women.
This is why for me often words and meaning have to be strong and clear. I'm not a fan of sayings, anecdotes, catchphrases, double entendres or double meanings. I have spent nearly a whole youth buying into other peoples' message boards entries, and it got me in a huge mental and psychological state.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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