Is it normal to not get desired women when you're 18?

[cstoffel]

Well, then that is a good start. Think long-term financial stability. Proud of you for taking care of those first steps. Materialistic things do not impress me, a girl may be, but not men.

Remember, that validation is not a male trait. Men do not need to convince others or validate themselves. At least not real men.

If you need to say you're alpha, you're not.

Real men simply do and live as such.

You do not need social proof, let go of that social construct. There is only you vs you.

But hey if the lays and social proof are important to you, there are other members here that focus more don't that stuff. I can't help you with that. It's too surface-level to be interested in helping you that way.

Good luck.


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It's the desire in me to reach MAXIMUM potential as a man with my set of interests. I'll have you know I do not want status in itself to have status. I don't want women at my disposal as a buffer. I don't want money as a device. I don't want to live the "rapper lifestyle" just to feel good about myself. I want to eliminate the what if's and regrets. One thing roller to mossy has melted into my brain is the quote "rejection is better than regret". It's not just because I have desires to sleep with as many women as possible and be as successful as possible. It's the hunger for power to know that if I want to sleep with any woman, all I have to do is employ the game I've train myself to use throughout the years.

 

[2Rocky]

^ all well and good but there are no Shortcuts...You gotta take your lumps and screw up a few times. Work on your social skills and they are their own reward.

 

[BadBoy89]

Hey, guys. I'm in 18 year old guy, who in high school could get almost every girl in my high school that was younger than me by at least one year.

- Now that I'm in college, I have less friends, and therefore less connections to women.
- I do however go up to women I see at the gym in person and employ game tactics.
- Being ****y and funny, but most of the time getting straight to the point ("hey, I think you're really cute. Can I have your number?").
- I gave up on using game tactics via social media a year ago.
- Or am I doing something wrong? I haven't asked as many girls as I like. I will with time, however.

A lot of these posts combine innocent and sweet with alpha male strategies. Get the feeling they are made up.

 

[cstoffel]

A lot of these posts combine innocent and sweet with alpha male strategies. Get the feeling they are made up.

Like I made it up?

 

[cstoffel]

Update: for the first time, and I can't believe I'm saying this; I actually hit on a woman I didn't know. Just now actually. She wasn't my type, but I felt it was good practice. From the looks of things we kept the conversation going. Since I wasn't necessarily attracted to her, but I could still see her as a prospect; I flirted, and talked. She seemed to like it quite a bit. I think this is where I should start with my practice. What do some of you think?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I didn't start becoming a desirable man until my mid-late twenties. 18-24 was complete hell/frequent dry spell droughts. I don't miss it at all. It's also harder for younger guys today because of instagram and dating apps. You have girls your age going for guys in their later twenties with more money and time.

 

[SW15]

Hey, guys. I'm in 18 year old guy, who in high school could get almost every girl in my high school that was younger than me by at least one year. Now that I'm in college, I have less friends, and therefore less connections to women. I do however go up to women I see at the gym in person and employ game tactics. Being ****y and funny, but most of the time getting straight to the point ("hey, I think you're really cute. Can I have your number?"). I gave up on using game tactics via social media a year ago. I'm just wondering is it normal for me to have lower success being younger? Or am I doing something wrong? I haven't asked as many girls as I like. I will with time, however.

You are an 18 year old college freshman about to end his first semester of college.

If you're approaching on the campus of a 4 year university, you're shiit in that ecosystem. You're also shiit in the general adult environment too. At 18, you're mostly going after other freshman women on campus. Freshman women are pursued by sophomores, juniors, seniors, and a few men who have graduated from college. It's a tough play for other freshman women.

Doing gym approaches at a campus gym isn't easy. It isn't easy for 28 year old men at a typical 24 Hour Fitness location. Consider other venues first. Extracurricular campus clubs are a better idea. Women in your classes are a better idea. Even random approaches outdoors on campus are a better idea.

I hear women in LA will tear you apart. To "get used to it" I'm trying my best with the circumstances at hand of me living in Phoenix AZ.

I wouldn't bother going to Los Angeles after college. It's not a good place anymore. Even Phoenix is declining. Phoenix used to be good as a cheaper California alternative. With rents and housing prices haven risen so much in Phoenix Metro, the costs are making it not worth it.

Are you at Arizona State University? Arizona State is an attractive woman university. The Tempe campus is much better than the other campuses.

You have to have a conversation first so she can assess you beyond your looks and determine if she is attracted to you. If you are really attractive, it will take less time and effort and the interaction won't need to go as smoothly, but the less attractive you are, the more you will have to make her tingle from your conversation with her. So learn how to banter and flirt with women and THEN ask for her number. Simple as that.

Yes. It takes at least a 5 minute conversation to set up a date that might be worthwhile. Anything between a 5-15 minute conversation is good for knowing if a date can happen. Bantering and flirting are crucial.

When cold approaching, I find most women actually respond better to direct approaches. This is because if you are indirect, they don't know what you want - there is a LOT of pressure there for a woman (who are smaller and more vulnerable). Is he going to ask me for money? Is he a meth-head? Is he a weirdo? Is he going to ask me to sell Amway? WHAT DOES HE WANT?!?! Sometimes a girl who might be interested may just be so nervous by the pressure of not knowing exactly why you are talking to her that she may come off as disinterested even if she isn't. When you put it right out on the table directly, you can see most of them breathe a sigh of relief and immediately feel comfortable.

In thinking about direct vs. indirect, I think direct is better. Some venues are acceptable for indirect. I think the indoor retail venues (grocery stores, malls) have a case for indirect because of plausible deniability if a woman complains to staffers/security. You have to have poor social skills for that to happen though. I have done indirect approaches in grocery stores where the woman could not process the interaction and gave off a cold vibe. There are some Millennial and Gen Z women that have poor social skills and don't know how to handle in-person approaching at non-bar settings. Direct approaching will eliminate confusion, even for the Millennial/Gen Z with poor social skills.

Outdoor approaching is better for direct.

You will never have more access to attractive, dateable women than when you are in college. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Try 28 year olds. They will get turned on by the fact that you're just 18 years old.

Interesting point-counterpoint. I tend to believe in @Hal9000's point more. When you're 30 or 35, you won't have easy access to the 18-22 year old set, so enjoy them now!

There's a case for banging an older woman as an 18-22 year old. Think about the guys in that age range who do this. There are often in the 5-7 range. Guys in the low to mid 7's at ages 18-22 are getting 18-22 year olds. The 5-7 looks ranking, 18-22 year old guys who end up banging a 30 or 35 year old woman are missing an opportunity. They are better off going for a 19 year old, 5 or 6.

 

[cstoffel]

Update: I forgot to mention I'm going to UTI, a tech school with little to no women on campus . I'll take the advice given to me and apply it to other social scenarios. Hitting on/ flirting with women in public places like grocery stores, or wherever I go when I'm not working or at school.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Update: I forgot to mention I'm going to UTI, a tech school with little to no women on campus . I'll take the advice given to me and apply it to other social scenarios. Hitting on/ flirting with women in public places like grocery stores, or wherever I go when I'm not working or at school.

just get a Instagram and Tinder lol. So much easier and less energy

 

[Willie Naylor]

Update: I forgot to mention I'm going to UTI, a tech school with little to no women on campus . I'll take the advice given to me and apply it to other social scenarios. Hitting on/ flirting with women in public places like grocery stores, or wherever I go when I'm not working or at school.

That sounds like a good plan. Grocery stores are a great place to meet women.

Go online and search for any kind of festivals or county fairs in smaller towns near you.

 

[2Rocky]

Try 28 year olds. They will get turned on by the fact that you're just 18 years old.

The Greatest So Suave Fear : OLDER WOMEN

 

[2Rocky]

Update: I forgot to mention I'm going to UTI, a tech school with little to no women on campus . I'll take the advice given to me and apply it to other social scenarios. Hitting on/ flirting with women in public places like grocery stores, or wherever I go when I'm not working or at school.

OK forget everything I said about college. You aren't in an environment like that.

You need to identify where you find women in your world. It ain't in the shop. It's on the track.

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[SW15]

I'm trying my best with the circumstances at hand of me living in Phoenix AZ.

Are you at Arizona State University?

Update: I forgot to mention I'm going to UTI, a tech school with little to no women on campus .

Yes, UTI will be a different situation than Arizona State socially.

Let me commend you for choosing trade school and a blue collar path. I think trade school and working in the trades is a way better path in life than most bachelor's degrees and some bullshiit white collar occupation.

In the present and in the future, your target market is going to be different. Go for women who dig blue collar guys. @2Rocky made a good point about track type women. I'm not sure if you're doing something automotive, welding, or something else.

If you carry yourself confidently, you can score with college type women but it's more likely to be short lived. I'd daygame in more blue collar areas until you are 21. Then biker type bars.

 

[cstoffel]

Thank you all so much. This from is amazing. Rollo Tomassi was right