Is Dating Dead? USA Today Article.

[RSanders219]

Damn, this article really motivated me to stay away from the porn! Haha. Sadly, I am in that 50% of virgin students. But fvck it man, I've become a hell of a lot more social going to school have a great circle of friends there, know how to have A LOT of fun, and I'm a pretty attractive guy. So I'd say I'm working toward my goals definitely!

 

[zekko]

This line caught my eye:

"Men don't have to work as hard as they used to, to woo a woman"

Doesn't this go against most of what is being said on this forum? Guys are constantly complaining here that it is too hard to seduce women now, that women are too picky, entitled, demanding, etc. Older guys are always saying it was easier back in the 70s or 80s, or even the 90s.

This article seems to focus mostly on college life, where there is an artificial shortage of men. Because college students are mostly women now. I guess now they know how guys in sausage fest bars used to feel.

 

[bigneil]

It's all about supply and demand. So college is an artificial environment.

Women are more demanding now. Take online dating for example - women expect you to be super good looking or they won't even reply (while still criticizing men for thinking that way). Then the women still expect you to have a lot of money, a house, etc or you're probably done.

At least men only expect the woman to be good looking.

A lot of other women think that if they can go to a bar and score anyone, then they are better than the guy they are with because 99% of men can not do that. Sorry women, but men are opposite and that comparison is false (as my reference to the college study above demonstrated).

 

[FairShake]

Doesn't this go against most of what is being said on this forum? Guys are constantly complaining here that it is too hard to seduce women now, that women are too picky, entitled, demanding, etc. Older guys are always saying it was easier back in the 70s or 80s, or even the 90s.

Guys on this forum are the exception, not the rule.

Honestly if you have anything going for you, if you can talk, if you look halfway decent, if you have balls, you should be able to pull at a party or nightclub.

75% of dudes do this semi-regularly.

 

[zekko]

Another point about this being a college study: Guys in college are probably all on the internet, most of them are probably reading this dating/seduction/how to get laid type of stuff. And all these sites are telling them to spin plates and go for casual hookups. So that's probably another reason why that's what girls in college are coming up against.

Guys on this forum are the exception, not the rule.

Honestly if you have anything going for you, if you can talk, if you look halfway decent, if you have balls, you should be able to pull at a party or nightclub.

75% of dudes do this semi-regularly.

I totally agree with you. A lot of these pickup techniques are really only worthwhile for the socially retarded. The only way to fix your social skills is to get out there and practice.
It may even be a disservice to teach things like C&F here, since that type of thing can be so easy to mess up and backfire if it isn't calibrated right.

Grabbing your balls will take you a long way. I've been watching this guy at work hinting around at this one hottie for literally months now. For heaven's sake, grab your sack and ask the girl out, be direct. Right now he's coming across as a pvssy who's afraid to take the first step.

 

[FairShake]

Right now he's coming across as a pvssy who's afraid to take the first step.

A pale, scrawny, boring dude with balls will pull more strange than a muscular ***** anyday. He can be nice and accomodating or bad and ****y but if he doesn't have balls he's getting nowhere.

 

[FairShake]

In no way am I denigrating the need for bravery, but this is not necessarily true. If he's in a pool that doesn't value pale, scrawny, boring people, he might overfish his range of operations and simply run out of targets, rather than successfully "pulling strange".

I'm not scrawny but I'm certainly pale, boring, and a tad chubby if we're being honest. I'm not going to claim to sleep with 10s constantly or hundreds of women but I've certainly had a few nice ones. And I'd say it's mostly because of balls and a willingness to talk to anyone.

There are any number of different women out there who like different things.

 

[Nutz]

The women wind up competing with each other for access to the men, and often, that means relationships become sexual quicker

<Nelson> Ha ha! </Nelson>

Congratulations feminists, you priced yourselves out of the relationship market. See also:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/men-the-gender-wars-are-over-—-we-won/

 

[Poonani Maker]

I had a 31 yr old just message me to get together tomorrow evening. I don't think I can because I was stung back a couple of wasps today while out clearing out dead brush, causing me to have an allergic reaction. I will try to get it cleared up by tomorrow so I can fvck her, but it just might not be in the cards. I went to the doctor yesterday, and he prescribed some cream or ointment that didn't work so I called his as5 up this morning and Ordered him to place another prescription for a cream I'd researched on the net. Sad when my doctor doesn't even know more than I do about what to prescribe. I think my visit yesterday cost $155, not that I had to pay any of it, but still.. Anyway, if this don't work, then I'm going to have to let her down that I can't come. She, though quite hot, is a little old for me anyway. I can do better.

 

[Jitterbug]

This line caught my eye:

"Men don't have to work as hard as they used to, to woo a woman"

Doesn't this go against most of what is being said on this forum? Guys are constantly complaining here that it is too hard to seduce women now, that women are too picky, entitled, demanding, etc. Older guys are always saying it was easier back in the 70s or 80s, or even the 90s.

This article seems to focus mostly on college life, where there is an artificial shortage of men. Because college students are mostly women now. I guess now they know how guys in sausage fest bars used to feel.

Women when talking about this topic suffer from what's called "apex fallacy". They are totally blind to most men except the top ones. If you substitute "men" with "alpha males" or "hot athletes", or whatever's most popular, in that article and what those women say in general, you'll have the real version.

 

[bigneil]

Great point jitterbug. That's why you should never get advice from a woman about another woman. Ask a woman what women want and (imagining the hottest guy they ever knew who dumped them) they'll say "I want a man who is sweet and kind and who will bring me flowers and chocolates" - in other words, what they wish that guy who dumped them would do.

 

[Furyguy]

Fuuuuuuuuuck I went to the wrong god damn school. 70/30 in the wrong direction so that the few hot, normal women that do go here think they're god's gift to men.

And I know a LOT of dudes who I strongly suspect are graduating as virgins as a result of this unfortunate situation. Sad state of affairs....

 

[Maxtro]

Women when talking about this topic suffer from what's called "apex fallacy". They are totally blind to most men except the top ones. If you substitute "men" with "alpha males" or "hot athletes", or whatever's most popular, in that article and what those women say in general, you'll have the real version.

That reminds me of this article.

One key part that stood out was.

"...suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her.."

Another issue that has been brought up, is that I can probably be called socially retarded as well.

If I was good looking/tall but socially retarded I'd probably be OK. Heck if I had my current body and wasn't socially retarded I'd probably still be OK. But with both of them, I don't have a chance.

And as far as I can tell, there isn't any place where I can actually learn social skills. PU just seems to focus on bars and clubs

 

[Nutz]

Women when talking about this topic suffer from what's called "apex fallacy". They are totally blind to most men except the top ones. If you substitute "men" with "alpha males" or "hot athletes", or whatever's most popular, in that article and what those women say in general, you'll have the real version.

This bears worth repeating. I remember watching a bit about this on the news last year when they interviewed women on campuses and they always bitched and moaned about there not being enough guys to go around. They then pointed out it's not really *that* bad yet, since there's still tons of guys to go around who are single and want to date. The women routinely blew them off because of, as you said, apex fallacy. They continue to only consider the top tier males as worth dating, even in the face of a dwindling dating pool. If anything this just goes to show how powerful hypergamy really is in women. THIS is why we're heading towards defacto harems, and in many cases already there. Yay hookup culture.

Case in point:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html

Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.

 

[goodfoot]

Women when talking about this topic suffer from what's called "apex fallacy". They are totally blind to most men except the top ones. If you substitute "men" with "alpha males" or "hot athletes", or whatever's most popular, in that article and what those women say in general, you'll have the real version.

I think this is one of the reasons there are more virgins according to the article. A lot of betas can't find a girl cause she accepts being 4th or 5th in the rotation of an alpha.

 

[comic_relief]

Just go work on yourself until you become the charming guy that girls want to hook up with. that is what I did

no reason to keep b!tching about stuff :rockon: Doesn't solve a damn thing. I just learned how to play the game and I go get laid pretty consistently :wave:

- comic_relief

 

[Nutz]

Found the comments for that NYT article above:

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html

 

[Orchard]

Found the comments for that NYT article above:

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html

I'm suprised no one mentioned this is either the article or comments, which leads me to believe those supposed chapel hillers have never been there, but a rather large percentage of the male student population at UNC-CH is gay.

 

[Orchard]

Case in point:

I feel like being mean so I'm going to point out something that isn't obvious to non chapel hillers(and seeing as how no one in the comments pointed this out I'm going to assume they've never been here):

A lot of the male student population at UNC-Chapel Hill are gay. I don't have any hard-and-fast numbers but I'd put it at around 20-30% of the dudes here like other dudes. So it's more akin to a 70/30 ratio against the girls then slightly over half. Also most of the straight dudes here are... hard to describe. It's about 50% neck-beards and 50% rape prone Frat guys. And while the Apex fallacy still applies, Chapel Hill is a weird example, with there being an increadibly large female population with a tiny -desirable- male population. Guys here are, for the most part, complete ****ing tools and offer no real competition.

But why am I saying all this? Beats me. But if you can, try and find your own local Chapel Hill.

 

[Following_of_Me]

I found the article to be pretty sexist... it seemed to criticize women for going to school and enjoying themselves... being one for gender equality, it's time to step up as men and realize hypocrisy is an unattractive quality. Painfully unattractive.