Is Dating Dead? USA Today Article.

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It wasn't until the second semester of her senior year at Fordham University in New York that Kathleen Adams had a college boyfriend.

Kirsten Ellermann and Ryan Fitz attend Iowa State university and have been dating for over a year. Ellermann says hooking up is very common among those who are single and not in a relationship.

"You just don't date at colleges," says Adams, 23, now a Fordham graduate student in urban studies.

But there's no shortage of casual sex on campus, she says — in part because Fordham, like many colleges, has significantly more women than men. Adams says that means guys have the upper hand when it comes to intimacy.

"It's kind of like a competition," she says. "The guys have their choice of whoever they want. So they think, 'Why would I date?' "

The relationship game among college-age adults today is a muddle of seemingly contradictory trends. Recent studies indicate that traditional dating on campuses has taken a back seat to no-strings relationships in which bonds between young men and women are increasingly brief and sexual. (A new website to arrange these encounters that began at the University of Chicago last month now is expanding to other campuses.)

But even as casual sex — often called "hookups" or "friends with benefits" — is a dominant part of campus life, a new report by the National Center for Health Statistics indicates the percentages of men and women 18-24 who say they are virgins also are increasing.

It all reflects an emerging paradigm that is altering the nature of sex and relationships among young adults: fewer men than women on campuses; a more openly sexual society that often takes cues from media, and a declining desire to make relationship commitments early in life.

Adams' experience is the reality for many of today's college students, says Mark Regnerus, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Texas-Austin.

His research suggests that the higher proportion of women on campuses has contributed to the ascent of the hookup culture. Overall, women made up more than 56% of the college population in 2009, according to the recent Census data on enrollments; more women are found on many campuses that serve both sexes.

"The women wind up competing with each other for access to the men, and often, that means relationships become sexual quicker," says Regnerus, co-author of Premarital Sex in America: How Young Americans Meet, Mate, and Think About Marrying, released earlier this year. It is based on an analysis of four national studies representing a total of 25,000 young people ages 18-23 and more than 200 additional interviews.

"Men don't have to work as hard as they used to, to woo a woman," he says. "I've talked to various interviewees who had never been on a date, which doesn't really make sense, given they're pretty attractive. It's just that less seems to be required to be in the company of a woman."

Justin Garcia, a State University of New York doctoral fellow at Binghamton (N.Y.) University who conducts research on hookups, says this general lack of dating means many young adults don't even know how to get a relationship started.

"For the majority of students, they're not going to dinner and a movie unless they've hooked up with someone. Some physical interaction comes before the dating," he says. Often, "dates happen after a relationship, rather than before."
Avoiding commitment

Many young people are eschewing relationships as too much hassle, especially when they plan to study abroad, leave town for internships or go to graduate school, says sociologist Teresa Downing-Matibag of Iowa State University.

"They want to have their freedom and are not always interested in these committed relationships. At the same time, they'll tell you they will not be in a relationship without sex being an important part of it," she says. The down economy has forced many students to work because their parents aren't as capable of funding their education; that means they're juggling school and work and are less likely to have time to devote to a relationship, she adds.

"With the people that I know, there is a fair share of hooking up just to have sex, and the intention is to only do it once and possibly never see that person again," says Rachel Curtis, 22, an Iowa State grad student. "I know a few girls who would like to hook up every weekend, but sometimes the opportunity doesn't present itself. They call that an 'unlucky night.' "

The cryptic nature of what a hookup involves appeals to many young people: They deliberately want to be vague so they can exaggerate or hide their actions from their friends, analysts say.

" 'Hookup' leaves it to the imagination. The ambiguity is intentional," says Michael Bruce of San Francisco, co-editor of College Sex: Philosophy for Everyone: Philosophers with Benefits.

"Hooking up is very vague. It can be anything from kissing on the dance floor to you go back and have sex in the room and sleep over," says Leah Reis-Dennis, 19, a Harvard University sophomore from Eugene, Ore.

"It's called hanging out, but it's really hooking up," adds Kirsten Ellermann, 20, a junior at Iowa State University who has been in a relationship for more than a year. "You know what it means when a guys says he wants to come over and hang out. He's not taking you to dinner."

"In a big way, hookups have kind of taken the place of — not exactly eclipsed — relationships, but hooking up is kind of an easier way for college students to act on their sexual desire without making a big commitment," says Reis-Dennis, a history and literature major.

Even so, "it's not like everyone is having casual sex all the time," says sociologist Paula England of Stanford University, whose ongoing research since 2005 has surveyed more than 17,000 students from 20 colleges and universities. "Some people are hooking up a bunch of times with the same person but are not calling it a relationship. Others are never doing anything you would call a hookup."

Her latest data finds that by senior year, 72% of both sexes reported having at least one hookup, with the average of 9.7 for men and 7.1 for women. Just under one-quarter (24%) of seniors say they are virgins, she says.

The percentage of those who claim virginity appears to be increasing, according to a National Center for Health Statistics study released this month of 2006-08 data. Among 18- and 19-year-olds, about one-quarter of men and women said they hadn't had sexual contact with another person, up from 17% of women and 22% of men in 2002. Among those ages 20-24, 12% of women and 13% of men said they were virgins, up from 8% for both sexes in 2002.

"Friends my age have not said they have chosen to be virgins," says Ashley Thompson, 23, who will receive her master's degree in public health from Ohio State University-Columbus in June.

Thompson, of Perrysburg, Ohio, is engaged, but "a lot of my peers, as women, have got a lot of other things going on. I think the fact that young women are able to focus on other life goals such as school or career could change the way they form relationships, which inherently would impact their sexual activity."

Some studies find virgins in even higher numbers. Responses collected from 1,500 Duke University freshmen and seniors at the Durham, N.C., campus in 2007 found that about 53% of women and 40% of the men said they were virgins, says Wendy Brynildsen, a Duke doctoral student who will share that data in a paper at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association in August.

"Many people think I'm crazy" for not having sex, says Jon Haron, 21, of Highlands Ranch, Colo., a part-time college student studying aviation technology and air-traffic control. He also works part-time as a flight instructor.


"My core group of guy friends — my close friends — we've all made the decision to not have (sexual intercourse) until we're married," Haron says. But several friends, he adds, think it's OK to engage in other sexual activity.

Although the government data offers no explanations for the growing percentage of virgins, there has been plenty of speculation, ranging from more open discussion about the health risks associated with casual sex to the busy lives of young people. Some cite the rise of the abstinence movement, while others point to easy access to Internet porn and an overtly sexualized culture that has made young people somewhat blas about sex.
Choosing abstinence

"We're seeing that the choice to remain abstinent is increasingly resonant," says Valerie Huber, executive director of the non-profit National Abstinence Education Association, which will launch a campaign next year to "rebrand the cultural message" and tell young people that "sexual activity as a rite of passage" is no longer an expectation for teens and young adults.

While sexual experimentation is a part of life for many young people, Reis-Dennis, a history and literature major, says there also are many who don't want to have a "throwaway sexual experience."

"Personally, a lot of my friends at school have had sex," she says. "As many, if not more, haven't."

Haron says his circle of friends, which includes about 15 guys, some with girlfriends, all have looked at porn and are trying to stay away from it. "Porn is easy," he says. "I think that's why a lot of guys are drawn to that. It's so easy to get and they're not going to be rejected, so why try with a girl?"
 

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Researchers are well aware how the Internet has made porn and sex websites so accessible and appealing; Downing-Matibag says her students have shown her websites for virtual sex.

"They can go to those websites and have sexual relationships watching a webcam. They can still be a virgin and have 100 different partners online through chat rooms or webcams," she says. "Young people have avatars (on-screen characters representing themselves online) and enter these virtual worlds that involve sexual encounters."

But some of those who work to educate young people about sex say the new data about more virgins could signal change.

"The hookup culture seems to be predominating, but there might be the beginning of a pushback and relationships playing a much stronger role," says James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a Washington-based non-profit.

Still, most young people are having some kind of sexual contact.

"Humans are biological beings," Garcia says. "We have a sex drive. To not recognize that in talking to young adults is foolish."
 

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I didn't read it all, but yeah, on campus you can easily go from one fling to the next, no problem.
 

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Yes, that is all true. I got an f-buddy and most of my friends have random hookups all the time in college.

I did the relationship route for five years, and now I am ready to just have f-buddies and random hookups.

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i live a couple of blocks from Fordham University in the bronx and yea there is a substantial amount of girls there. i thinks its 70% girls and 30% guys.

but yea this article pretty much sums up what we all know. plus college is suppose to be all about experience.
 

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Tiguere said:
i live a couple of blocks from Fordham University in the bronx and yea there is a substantial amount of girls there. i thinks its 70% girls and 30% guys.

but yea this article pretty much sums up what we all know. plus college is suppose to be all about experience.

Of course you can always find them on Arthur Ave in the Cafes and game them there...

For the posters in and out of college in the local areas to this new website for Chicago and other campuses that are taking part I found this interesting..

Recent studies indicate that traditional dating on campuses has taken a back seat to no-strings relationships in which bonds between young men and women are increasingly brief and sexual. (A new website to arrange these encounters that began at the University of Chicago last month now is expanding to other campuses.)
 

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Yes, the "Hang out, Hook up" culture keeps getting worse. College turns women in to *****s. As a Generation X'er, I find it disgusting myself. It's anti-family for sure. It's what the media promotes. As said in "The Art of War", if you want to overthrow a country, corrupt the women. Hence America is going straight to hell.
 

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bigneil said:
Yes, the "Hang out, Hook up" culture keeps getting worse. College turns women in to *****s. As a Generation X'er, I find it disgusting myself. It's anti-family for sure. It's what the media promotes. As said in "The Art of War", if you want to overthrow a country, corrupt the women. Hence America is going straight to hell.
Right college turns woman into *****s. You're telling me the guys who want to fvck them also have no role in it? Or sites such as this that teaches men how to seduce? Sure girls hooking up aren't helping with the whole family bit, but then again so aren't the guys who are hooking up with them.

Your post is classic I'm angry at women and they are to blame for everything (destruction of America? really?)

Also I'm going to call you out right now. Most guys like you say women hooking up are bad for family relations w/e. Yet put yourself in the situation to achieve hook-ups and you'll jump at it bigneil. Case in point, I remember from your other thread a while ago:


bigneil said:
I've found that different cities have different amounts of women available, and that makes all the difference. I've been out twice in Cleveland and scored two babes. After 2 nights in Dallas I scored 3 babes.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1794207#post1794207
Lol women can't hook up but you're given free reign to hookup as you please. :rolleyes: That girl is a ***** unless you're the one scoring that, am i right?
 

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Dating has been dead for a very long time.

The whole idea is a bit too cheesy for anyone but people still do what they would do if they were to go on conventional dates.

Why? We're simply not taught early on how to socialize properly with one another. We are given Disney notions about how romance should be like and we go about emulating that in our real life. It isn't a surprise that people are finding less romance in their life when they are trying to idealize something that has to be taught properly to be understood like sosauve, or gain massive experiences to do so.

I would like to acknowledge the feminist movement as a big hindrance to why females and males don't have natural symbiosis in relationship anymore. They have made men look like creeps when they are overly aggressive. You hear these stories as all men as predators of some kind, and everytime you see some guy sitting among a playground watching kids you automatically assume hes in pedophile. This kind of fear they have subconsciously installed into women's minds has put up their guard and created unhealthy relationships where men are not allowed to naturally embrace their masculine energy. We can fight that though by exposing the matrix to what it truly is.

I still do a lot of date ideas like go to the beach, go out to eat or go look at the stars. It's romantic and I like that sort of thing. I don't really give a **** what people think and women generally enjoy it. If they don't then I don't enjoy them anyways. Imagination is key when they want to be in a relationship with me. I remember a post by Anti-Dump where he expressed the importance of having a High Interest Level. That is what I trust most and any woman who doesn't I relegate them to never been anyways.

It is time to take our masculinity back and be proud to be romancers and take on the dating approach in an alpha way. Don't let women tell us what they think they want but give them what they truly desire. The romance section of any book store is still plagued with women digesting whatever it has on its shelves. If anything it shows that more than any time on our planet in the western hemisphere women are yearning more for that alpha male who will be their Prince Charming and sweep them off their feet.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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ArcBound said:
Right college turns woman into *****s. You're telling me the guys who want to fvck them also have no role in it? Or sites such as this that teaches men how to seduce? Sure girls hooking up aren't helping with the whole family bit, but then again so aren't the guys who are hooking up with them.

Your post is classic I'm angry at women and they are to blame for everything (destruction of America? really?)

Also I'm going to call you out right now. Most guys like you say women hooking up are bad for family relations w/e. Yet put yourself in the situation to achieve hook-ups and you'll jump at it bigneil. Case in point, I remember from your other thread a while ago:




http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1794207#post1794207
Lol women can't hook up but you're given free reign to hookup as you please. :rolleyes: That girl is a ***** unless you're the one scoring that, am i right?
Says the 20 year old college student who has never had a date in (her) life.

Is Arcbound a female who sleeps around or what? Probably already has crabs and warts.

At least I take my girls on dates.

But... Whaaaah! It's the man's fault! Reality is, the woman chooses (to be a dirty wh-ore). Let's see what kind of family your generation raises. Let's see if you even get a job after college or pay your loans back. If you don't see the country is going straight to hell, and that the MTV culture is corrupting women, then you are either blind or mentally retarded.

And as editdivide notes, the feminist movement (like the Lady Gaga and Sex and the City culture) has helped to destroy the family. By design. But don't worry Don Juanita - when you end up in Debtors prison for not paying your student loans back, you'll already be well used to taking in the rear from all of your one-night stands.
 

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What a fvcked up article..So glad I'm no longer in college. 50% virgin now??
 

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Lol bigneil, i posted proof of your hyprocrisy where you say women are *****s for hooking up and I posted proof of you saying you hooked up with 3 girls in 2 nights alone :rolleyes: and even more. For every "unpure" woman hooking up there is a man doing the same, and it seems like you were there quite a few times. Why you got your panties in a bunch when the statistics are roled out? You're just as "filthy" as they are. But you already knew that, that's why you resort to name calling.

Once again cause it seems like you missed it
bigneil said:
I've been out twice in Cleveland and scored two babes. After 2 nights in Dallas I scored 3 babes.
Go fvck all the women you want. When some of them shockingly do the same come here and b!tch about it. I highly doubt you took those 3 babes out to dates in 2 nights. When you said you scored we all know what you meant.
 

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bigneil said:
Says the 20 year old college student who has never had a date in (her) life.

Is Arcbound a female who sleeps around or what? Probably already has crabs and warts.

Nope a male, have hooked up and been on dates. They aren't mutually exclusive.

At least I take my girls on dates.

But... Whaaaah! It's the man's fault!

Never said its the man's fault. I said men like you sleeping around are equally at "fault" for women sleeping around. See previous posts on this thread about you doing this.

Reality is, the woman chooses (to be a dirty wh-ore).

No sh1t. But so does the man who decides to fvck her. It takes two to tango.

Let's see what kind of family your generation raises. Let's see if you even get a job after college or pay your loans back.

Already have a job. I have scholarships so I don't even owe 1 cent in loans.

If you don't see the country is going straight to hell, and that the MTV culture is corrupting women, then you are either blind or mentally retarded.

Hmm. First off MTV culture corrupts men and women equally. Just look at most teenagers. My parents taught both me and my sister the importance of not falling for every stupid thing in pop culture and TV. If you as a parent couldn't do that, then it is your failure.

And as editdivide notes, the feminist movement (like the Lady Gaga and Sex and the City culture) has helped to destroy the family.


By design. But don't worry Don Juanita
- when you end up in Debtors prison for not paying your student loans back, you'll already be well used to taking in the rear from all of your one-night stands.
Like I said I go on dates as well. Why restrict yourself when you can have the best of both worlds? You certainly didn't.
:kick:
 

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I've often wondered how this would play out.

I sometimes get assigned to do presentations for 8th graders studying history, and I've noticed, there seem to be about twice as many girls as boys.
The girls are gorgeous, too.
The girls are utterly clueless about dating, later on when they hit college, though. It's probably because they're forced to actually be an active participant in getting a date.

The idea of using sex to initiate dating+relationship is something I've experienced a lot. We begin with a friendship dynamic, and use sex to initiate the rest. It actually makes a lot more sense, and it eliminates the debate about stupid dating "rules".
 

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bigneil said:
Yes, the "Hang out, Hook up" culture keeps getting worse. College turns women in to *****s. As a Generation X'er, I find it disgusting myself. It's anti-family for sure. It's what the media promotes. As said in "The Art of War", if you want to overthrow a country, corrupt the women. Hence America is going straight to hell.
LOL now that is some good trollin'
 

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Arcbound - a study was conducted where an attractive college woman went up to 100 men and offered to have sex. 75% of the men were willing.

Then they tried that with an attractive college man - and ZERO percent of the women were willing.

Hence, just about any man will have sex if he can. The women get to choose. But promiscuous women want to brag about it. They say "Why is there a double standard?" Because you can only brag about achieving something, and for a woman to get laid is no achievement. Sorry.

My mom was married as a virgin - never mind putting out on the first date with a different guy every week. Good luck finding out who the father is.
 

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bigneil said:
Arcbound - a study was conducted where an attractive college woman went up to 100 men and offered to have sex. 75% of the men were willing.

Then they tried that with an attractive college man - and ZERO percent of the women were willing.

Hence, just about any man will have sex if he can. The women get to choose. But promiscuous women want to brag about it. They say "Why is there a double standard?" Because you can only brag about achieving something, and for a woman to get laid is no achievement. Sorry.

My mom was married as a virgin - never mind putting out on the first date with a different guy every week. Good luck finding out who the father is.
whatever study you used was pretty horrible. Men don't hook up with women for the same reason that women hook up with men, therefore the whole thing was flawed from the start. women don't get turned on by the way a man looks. it helps and you have to be decent to look at but you have to establish value to a woman. a woman's value to a man is the way she looks. the "study" assumes that we value the same thing. but just because women don't chose to hook up with guys who randomly come up to them, doesn't mean they do the choosing. everyone here should know it's more complex than that.
 

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I wish I was an undergrad again. Things were reverse when I was an undergraduate. So easy to get laid on campus now. No money, dating, or time required. Just got to look good and have the right circle of friends.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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