Is attraction a decision or not?

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What is the true nature of attraction? I am often ambivalent about this myself. This is ultimately the root the contention between the so called "AFC"s and the so called "cynical" guys like Str8up. Holligan, Trent etc.
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Attraction is a deeply psychological phenomenon that is largely unpredictable. This camp implies that there is no deliberate decision that a woman makes to become attracted to a man. Her decision is made largely within the first few seconds of meeting or noticing you. They claim that whether a girl is into you or not is largely out of your control ( remember Anti Dump or DeAngelo). This philosophy gives credibility to the people who say money and looks really don't matter too much. They are just iceing on the cake. In all honestly i have seen example of this play out many times in real life. I mean we all know the common phenomenon of a hot girl with a loser boyfriend who sits on the couch all day and plays video games. We all had girl that just was "attracted to us" no for no apparent reason. There are plenty of examples of successful women going after losers (not marrying, but screwing regularly). These guys are pretty average looking to tell you the truth. These guys are not really even that "alpha". Kinda like Casino ( i know its a movie, but when DeNiro's wife who had everything was still deeply in love with the scumbag loser pimp who had nada). Many of these guys have self destructive tendencies really, aka bad boys types, emo losers, broke artsy dudes to plain ol average joes. If you ask the female why do you like this guy so much when you could get just abut any other guy... 9 outa 10 times they say " i dont know, i just do, i wish i didnt". They have no rational explanation for it. Many times the girl will admit that the guy isnt even attractive or her type thus supporting the view attraction is not a choice and deeply psychological.


Camp 2:
Money, looks, power, and overall dominance will get u women more reliably than anything else. This is the Str8UP, Holligan, Trent etc crew ( btw i really value u guys more practical opinion on things, most of the time i wholeheartedly agree with your more realistic views). There are a TON of examples of this also. Go to any rock concert, football game or club and you will see this in action. There's a reason why women want to marry the rocker,doctor, lawyer, CEO, athlete. The catch is by agreeing with this viewpoint you have to agree that the nature of attraction in women is largely logical and deliberate. That women turn off or on their attraction based on status and resources. If you are this camp then how do u explain the examples of hot women going out with loser to average boy friends. Are these truly exceptions to the rule? How do you also explain chicks that dig you for no apparent reason at all (rare but it happens) and we have all had these types of girls once or twice.

This is an important question to answer because i think its the cause of many of the conflicts on this site. Its also a fundamental question for any man. I think the truth is in the middle. I think that both camps are making something that is very complex into a cut and dry matter. For every instance of a chick being attracted to a high status male there is an instance of a chick just being attracted to a regular guys. Im starting to believe attraction is just one of those things that is largely unpredictable and mysterious. This is the whole basis of when women say they just felt or didnt feel any "chemistry". Its largely mysterious. Like Rollo eludes to, attraction is a chemical thing. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MARRIAGE (THIS IS VERY DELIBERATE).
 

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ooh BTW just cuz attraction is largely mysterious doesn't mean you can be an obese slob, whos dead broke and lives with his mom till he's 50 and still pull chicks. HECK NO!!! There are some rules!! Im just sayin that attraction is largely a matter of its either there or its not. There are many times my female friends tell me about a guy that is perfect (great job, awesome personality, good looks) but the spark isnt there....wierd
 

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Money, and looks are the most important things when it comes to women. Looks are the most important when it comes to men. But those guys are scarce, and women with good looks are also, so people do settle for less than they would want in an ideal world. fat chicks are married, losers have girfriends and so on and on.
Anyway, women leave any men, wheter rich or poor, good looking or ugly. If anything is wrong, the women is more likely to leave. So, nothing will keep your relationship going with a 100% probability. You might be the CEO of the greatest company or the Jose from around the corner, you are not safe.
Also, in this world there is such a thing as a value. A women with a religious education or living in a conservative society will less likely be involved with crooks or leave a marriage.
 

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Attraction is not a choice, and many girls (and pretty much all until the last couple hundred years) don't go out with guys because they are attracted to them.

Guys can't comprehend this idea, that a girl will agree to spend her whole life with a guy, including bearing his children, whom she does not find attractive.

You are confusing girls that are with guys because of attraction, and girls that are with guys for reasons other than attraction.

And because attraction is not a choice, DOES NOT mean that it is unpredictable. Hunger is not a choice, but I'm pretty sure I can make you feel as strong desire to eat. Fear is not a choice, but I'm pretty sure I could scare you. Lust is not a choice, but I'm pretty sure I could hire a girl to create it in you.

BECAUSE attraction is not a choice is the reason that seducing girls is fairly straightforward, when you know how to push the right buttons.

Only those that have no idea how to create desire and attraction in a woman need worry about girls going for guys other than reasons of attraction.

Some of the guys you mentioned in Camp 2 are creating attraction through social proof and social status. Those are strong creators of attraction in women. If some putz won the lottery, he'd still be a putz, and women would go for him only for his money (e.g. anna nicole smith).

However, it's easy to see a guy with social proof, power, status and money surrounded by hotties, and think that it's the money their after. It's not.

The same drive, power, charisma and presence that got him the money is the same thing that attracted the chicks.

the biggest attractor for women is dominating all that is within your sphere.
That just so happens to be the same thing that gets you some serious coin.

If you can't dominate, then step aside, butch.

The biggest conflict on this site is guys who think they are alpha because they post regularly on an internet seduction forum, and are angry at the world for not dropping hotties in their laps.

If you ain't surrounded by hotties, and your bank account ain't filled with cash, then you ain't alpha.
 

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However, it's easy to see a guy with social proof, power, status and money surrounded by hotties, and think that it's the money their after. It's not.
But more often than not, money is linked with those other things. And money can give you all the other things. If you have money, you have free time to travel, to gain experiences, you can buy things that give you status.
Very few things in this world can't be bought.

The biggest conflict on this site is guys who think they are alpha because they post regularly on an internet seduction forum, and are angry at the world for not dropping hotties in their laps.
100% agreed.

Words like masculinity are thrown back and forth here, but what is the real value of that out there ?
 

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Attraction is instinctual and predictable, but is it a choice? It really depends upon the conditions of the persons involved. Honestly I think it's kind of a loaded question because the answer tends to validate the beliefs and ego-investments (also prompted by personal conditions) of the one promoting it.

For the unemployed, chubby guy, believing that attraction is some nebulous, random occurrence gives him hope that, with a bit of game, he can enjoy sex with the HB 9s that his douchebag "natural" friends are. Similarly, the good looking, affluent guy with a bit of game is rewarded with sex so often that he attributes his success to his own capacity for 'creating attraction' that he presumes a woman IS making a choice to be attracted to him.

Like pretty much everything else, attraction is conditional. I wont go so far as to say it's a choice, but I will say there exist many prompts that can spur attraction when they are congruent with the conditions a woman consciously or subconsciously requires at a given time. For example, in high school, teenage girls tend to focus their attraction (which is prompted by sexual arousal) on the teenage boys who best display an ideal physicality. Cute face, good body, maybe a slight bit of status with regards to exceptional performance (sports or drama for instance), but generally affluence and personal status aren't an issue since none of them can expect a high school junior to be the CEO of his own company. Remove money & status from the sexual environment and physical arousal will tend to dominate. Personality and game, may play in, but to a far lesser (adolescent) degree than when a woman is 19 and in a college environment where potential status, affluence, game and personality begin to take on more importance. Physicality still dominates arousal, but compatibility and future emotional and parental investment potential begins to factor into attraction. As a woman approaches 30-35 her preconditions for attraction and the priority she places on them shifts towards long term security. Physicality, while still important, is compromised in favor of long term security potential.

Now, is she choosing to be attracted to specific characteristics or types of individuals at different phases of her maturity? No, not consciously, but on some level of consciousness we are all aware of our own conditions and what (we believe) is necessary to meet satisfaction of particular deficits we lack. For the 32 year old AFC who's never done anything different and has waited the better part of his 20's for the, now 30, HB 8, he thinks his ship's finally come in and that attraction is indeed some random act of divine kindness - rather than the fact that he now makes the kind of money his dream girl subconsciously realizes is necessary for her (and her offspring's) long term provisioning.

So to sum it up, I don't believe attraction is a conscious choice - no girl says to herself "hmmm,..I think I'll be attracted to him" - but there are definite, predictable determinants, based upon the personal conditions of the woman, that influence a subconscious state of arousal and attraction. I know those are big $10 words, but try to think of it in terms that a woman doesn't make a rational choice to be attracted to a guy, but rather is influenced by motivators she's not fully aware of and makes an emotional association with them and the guy she is attracted to.
 

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I do not think it's a choice. I think there are predictors of attraction, like RT described, and things you can do to augment the attraction of a woman who is already interested; but as far as generating attraction in a woman who is not interested in you in the first place---no way. Why would you even do that?

I love Anti-Dump. His stuff---to me---has way more practical value than all of Pook's poetic dissertations. And it's so simple: filter out women with low interest, and cultivate the ones with high interest. Attraction is more or less instinctual and a man shouldnt waste time trying to conjure up these feelings in a woman. His efforts are far better spent choosing ones who choose him.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Attraction is instinctual and predictable, but is it a choice? It really depends upon the conditions of the persons involved. Honestly I think it's kind of a loaded question because the answer tends to validate the beliefs and ego-investments (also prompted by personal conditions) of the one promoting it.

For the unemployed, chubby guy, believing that attraction is some nebulous, random occurrence gives him hope that, with a bit of game, he can enjoy sex with the HB 9s that his douchebag "natural" friends are. Similarly, the good looking, affluent guy with a bit of game is rewarded with sex so often that he attributes his success to his own capacity for 'creating attraction' that he presumes a woman IS making a choice to be attracted to him.

Like pretty much everything else, attraction is conditional. I wont go so far as to say it's a choice, but I will say there exist many prompts that can spur attraction when they are congruent with the conditions a woman consciously or subconsciously requires at a given time. For example, in high school, teenage girls tend to focus their attraction (which is prompted by sexual arousal) on the teenage boys who best display an ideal physicality. Cute face, good body, maybe a slight bit of status with regards to exceptional performance (sports or drama for instance), but generally affluence and personal status aren't an issue since none of them can expect a high school junior to be the CEO of his own company. Remove money & status from the sexual environment and physical arousal will tend to dominate. Personality and game, may play in, but to a far lesser (adolescent) degree than when a woman is 19 and in a college environment where potential status, affluence, game and personality begin to take on more importance. Physicality still dominates arousal, but compatibility and future emotional and parental investment potential begins to factor into attraction. As a woman approaches 30-35 her preconditions for attraction and the priority she places on them shifts towards long term security. Physicality, while still important, is compromised in favor of long term security potential.

Now, is she choosing to be attracted to specific characteristics or types of individuals at different phases of her maturity? No, not consciously, but on some level of consciousness we are all aware of our own conditions and what (we believe) is necessary to meet satisfaction of particular deficits we lack. For the 32 year old AFC who's never done anything different and has waited the better part of his 20's for the, now 30, HB 8, he thinks his ship's finally come in and that attraction is indeed some random act of divine kindness - rather than the fact that he now makes the kind of money his dream girl subconsciously realizes is necessary for her (and her offspring's) long term provisioning.

So to sum it up, I don't believe attraction is a conscious choice - no girl says to herself "hmmm,..I think I'll be attracted to him" - but there are definite, predictable determinants, based upon the personal conditions of the woman, that influence a subconscious state of arousal and attraction. I know those are big $10 words, but try to think of it in terms that a woman doesn't make a rational choice to be attracted to a guy, but rather is influenced by motivators she's not fully aware of and makes an emotional association with them and the guy she is attracted to.
This also serves to explain those situations people encounter where they think they see an imbalance in a certain couple. Some really hot chick with a seemingly average to below average guy. There are many factors we don't know about why they're together, and some build their hopes up by thinking the guy just has good game. There's a lot more to than that. Hell, the chick could appear to be a 9 when she's all made up, only to have some flaw we don't see, etc.
 

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Pandora said:
Camp 2:
Money, looks, power, and overall dominance will get u women more reliably than anything else. This is the Str8UP, Holligan, Trent etc crew ( btw i really value u guys more practical opinion on things, most of the time i wholeheartedly agree with your more realistic views). There are a TON of examples of this also. Go to any rock concert, football game or club and you will see this in action. There's a reason why women want to marry the rocker,doctor, lawyer, CEO, athlete. The catch is by agreeing with this viewpoint you have to agree that the nature of attraction in women is largely logical and deliberate. That women turn off or on their attraction based on status and resources. If you are this camp then how do u explain the examples of hot women going out with loser to average boy friends. Are these truly exceptions to the rule? How do you also explain chicks that dig you for no apparent reason at all (rare but it happens) and we have all had these types of girls once or twice.
No, this is the misconception that many people make. Attraction is only illogical when you dont understand what drives it! There is nothing cynical about it. Its retarded to think that we live in a romantic comedy our entire lives.

Its amusing to see how many men cannot for a minute fathom that its possible for a woman to actually be genuinely attracted to an average looking guy with high status. The automatic assumption is that she is using him. Its no different to the career girl who thinks that men should be attracted to her because of the status she has achieved. While both genders are attracted to looks, one is fixated on status while the other could not give a continental crap about it. Its not a conscious decision either party makes because its a base instinct. Yet we constantly expect the other gender to be attracted to the same characteristics we are.

Attraction of ANY kind only ever lands you the audition. She can smell money on you? Yeah, she will be easier to fvck but that does not mean she wont **** test you. Fail those **** tests and she is going to treat you like a chump and leave when it suits her. Likewise, if you are built like a mens health cover model but you act like a f@ggot, she is going to use you as a human dildo. Status and looks means that her initial interest level is higher and anyone with any experience will know that when a women is smitten she will go out of her way to escalate.

Attraction does not keep the girl, it lands you the audition. Sometimes its an extended audition, one that can last a few months or a few years. If they are attracted to you they have a higher interest level to begin with. The only way to maintain that interest level is to display the characteristics typical of men that women are attracted to.

You need to have your **** together, and relying on money alone will only ever bring you heartache. Likewise, thinking that a 9/10 is going to stick around for your broke ass when the bigger better deal comes along because you have game is also unrealistic. You need to offer the whole package. The more you have to offer, the more opportunities you have and the more women with a higher interest level will become available.

Now, its also important to explain exactly what high status is. High status is not 200k a year. Its not being a part time drummer. While this boosts your status and makes it easier to meet women, its not that special where you can expect to bed 9's and 10's without much effort. Its not so rare as to really set you apart as something worth competing over for the 9's and 10's. When you are making a few million a year, or you are playing to sold out stadiums, then you have the kind of status that women drop panties for without you even having to know their name.

Which is what seems to confuse many men too. They see that men are banging 7's and 8's without being Mick Jagger so they rubbish the value of status in attraction. Anyone can fvck the girl next door with some effort because they are a dime a dozen. Average guys hook up with average girls all the time.

7's and 8's are a dime a dozen and you meet them everywhere. The 9's are often the hottest chicks in the club and the 10's are RARE. They are as RARE as the high status men are. (Unless you go to Russia :))

I harp on about it, but nothing opens you eyes to the power of status like travel. Most of you come from a first world country where a middle class lifestyle and wage would make you wealthy in most countries around the world. An average middle class american home is a palace compared to what these people live in. If you are in shape, you are approaching minor celeb status. If you really have your **** together, they are like *****es in heat outside your front door. Nothing will open your eyes to it more then travel.

Go to South America on a holiday. Go to Eastern Europe. Go to Asia. See for yourself what impact high status has on your ability to land 8's and 9's.
 

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Hooligan Harry said:
Go to South America on a holiday. Go to Eastern Europe. Go to Asia. See for yourself what impact high status has on your ability to land 8's and 9's.
I hate to spin off topic, and I rarely engage in the "american chicks suck / foreign chicks rule" debates, but one of my best friends is Filipino who's recently been making frequent trips back to the Philippines to visit family and help out with the recovery effort after the last hurricane. He comes back with stories about how eager all the hottest Filipinas are to do anything sexual with him. He's not an ugly guy, but by American standards he's not all that desirable - short, stocky, about 15lbs overweight, well off but not wealthy. But because he's American and Filipino he's got status that few guys in P.I. can match. He has what we joke is the 'Golden Ticket' (ala Willy Wonka) to Amercia since he's single. He's got decent game and he does hook up in the U.S., but he says he doesn't even have to make an effort in P.I. Women catch wind that he's American and their legs spread involuntarily.

This is an excellent illustration of how status can influence attraction based upon personal conditions / deficits that prompt it. However, sustaining that attraction after that personal deficit has been satisfied is another thread altogether.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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My ex was BORN in the Philippines, and she stated numerous times that she wouldn't be taking me there if she ever went back (her mom went back from time to time and I told her I would love to go).

She said that if I were to go there the women would be on me like flies on ****, and she wasn't going to be having any of that, haha. Of course, that made me want to go even more....

Seriously though, if you have never been to a country where simply looking American gets you that minor rock star status, you have nooooo idea how ridiculous it is in the US and how much status plays a role in attraction. When you merely walk down the street and the shop girls and the waitresses in the cafe's STOP what they are doing to crane their necks and watch you pass, it is a SURREAL feeling. When I got back home I felt like a nameless, faceless mass of substance. It was one of the weirdest and most shocking revelations of my life.
 

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One thing about it, I'm more confident about myself and my life making 200k vs a struggling dentist trying to start my office. Even if the MONEY doesn't show up,the confidence will. If I made a million or so a year- I'd be "too cool for school" It's hard to be confident when you aren't sure where your next meal will come from.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Attraction is instinctual and predictable, but is it a choice? It really depends upon the conditions of the persons involved. Honestly I think it's kind of a loaded question because the answer tends to validate the beliefs and ego-investments (also prompted by personal conditions) of the one promoting it.

For the unemployed, chubby guy, believing that attraction is some nebulous, random occurrence gives him hope that, with a bit of game, he can enjoy sex with the HB 9s that his douchebag "natural" friends are. Similarly, the good looking, affluent guy with a bit of game is rewarded with sex so often that he attributes his success to his own capacity for 'creating attraction' that he presumes a woman IS making a choice to be attracted to him.

Like pretty much everything else, attraction is conditional. I wont go so far as to say it's a choice, but I will say there exist many prompts that can spur attraction when they are congruent with the conditions a woman consciously or subconsciously requires at a given time. For example, in high school, teenage girls tend to focus their attraction (which is prompted by sexual arousal) on the teenage boys who best display an ideal physicality. Cute face, good body, maybe a slight bit of status with regards to exceptional performance (sports or drama for instance), but generally affluence and personal status aren't an issue since none of them can expect a high school junior to be the CEO of his own company. Remove money & status from the sexual environment and physical arousal will tend to dominate. Personality and game, may play in, but to a far lesser (adolescent) degree than when a woman is 19 and in a college environment where potential status, affluence, game and personality begin to take on more importance. Physicality still dominates arousal, but compatibility and future emotional and parental investment potential begins to factor into attraction. As a woman approaches 30-35 her preconditions for attraction and the priority she places on them shifts towards long term security. Physicality, while still important, is compromised in favor of long term security potential.

Now, is she choosing to be attracted to specific characteristics or types of individuals at different phases of her maturity? No, not consciously, but on some level of consciousness we are all aware of our own conditions and what (we believe) is necessary to meet satisfaction of particular deficits we lack. For the 32 year old AFC who's never done anything different and has waited the better part of his 20's for the, now 30, HB 8, he thinks his ship's finally come in and that attraction is indeed some random act of divine kindness - rather than the fact that he now makes the kind of money his dream girl subconsciously realizes is necessary for her (and her offspring's) long term provisioning.

So to sum it up, I don't believe attraction is a conscious choice - no girl says to herself "hmmm,..I think I'll be attracted to him" - but there are definite, predictable determinants, based upon the personal conditions of the woman, that influence a subconscious state of arousal and attraction. I know those are big $10 words, but try to think of it in terms that a woman doesn't make a rational choice to be attracted to a guy, but rather is influenced by motivators she's not fully aware of and makes an emotional association with them and the guy she is attracted to.

So in layman's terms you are saying Attraction is not a conscious choice made by women but one that can be unconsciously evoked by a guy with good game?
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
but try to think of it in terms that a woman doesn't make a rational choice to be attracted to a guy, but rather is influenced by motivators she's not fully aware of and makes an emotional association with them and the guy she is attracted to.
Very interesting. I think many times these motivators may also be self destructive depending on how dysfunctional the girl. For example women that gravitate towards guys that are harmful towards them. An extreme example is women who are attracted to serial killers.
The interesting thing is that these motivators that influence women may not always be expressions of being an "alpha" male. Some women believe it or not gravitate to men that are considerably less attractive physically and socially than themselves to maintain control. I guess this is a subconscious motivator that influences their behavior. I think many times we are under this assumption that every women wants an alpha male that is dominant perfect and is full of confidence. The truth is SOME women don't want that ( minority though). An A-type overachieving, very attractive chick once told me she doesn't date guys who are too attractive or have too much game because she needs to be in control and feel good about herself. Sure enough after meeting her bf, she was right. The guy was not attractive and was not assertive at all. What i am trying to say is that what ever subconscious motivators there are may have their origin in some sort of insecurity of the female. Because of this the female may not be attracted to something we would consider classically alpha. She may be attracted to guys that have some sort of deficit. The motivators that Rolla suggest may be deeply personal and idiosyncratic. She might dig a guy because he reminds her of her dad (non creepy way). But i don't think they have to always be some alpha trait, they could be something arbitrary that us most people wont get. Heck even the girls friends might say " i dont know wut u see in him". Great replies though
 
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Pickupmilitia said:
So in layman's terms you are saying Attraction is not a conscious choice made by women but one that can be unconsciously evoked by a guy with good game?
Yes, if that particular guy's Game is what she's subconsciously lacking. However, as PANDORA has pointed out, it's all in the 'read' of any given woman. If you read the Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, the first foundation of seduction is to have as full an understanding of your target as possible - this is called 'reading' your mark. To the best of your abilities, it's important to evaluate where she is in her stage of life and pick out areas where she's in a deficit. You may think this is impossible to do in the short space of sarging a girl at a bar for instance, but once you have a general understanding of the cues to look for it actually becomes second nature. I'll give you an example.

There's a woman I know named Julie who I bump into on occasion at promos I do. On first site I see: she's attractive, mature (mid 40s perhaps), dresses to get attention, she's thin, bleach blonde, and married (I know from the big diamond ring). After speaking with her for less than 10 minutes I know she's attracted to me; there are 'tells' in her conversation with me, verbal cues that she's hoping I will pick up on and deliver back covert confirmation of. 10 minutes in and I know she's in a marriage of convenience with an affluent man, who can take care of her financially, but who's incapable of meeting her physical deficit, her excitement deficit, her covert communications deficit, etc. If I wanted to seduce her, these would be the areas I would adjust my sarge to emphasize. She's attracted to me because she sees my potential for satisfying her deficits, and then probes me for confirmation of her suspicions.

Some people would call this being a good judge of character, but essentially the ability to 'read' a person (of either gender) is the beginning of good 'natural game'. To use PANDORA's examples, there are women who prefer the waify emo guys, and in each one's conditions you'll find the reasons why. They're easier, more brooding, heroin thin, non-threatening, or any number of other reasons they see them as attractive for. After they've experimented a bit with them and realize that in meeting their deficits they discover new deficits the appeal (attraction) wears off and is replaced by new conditions and new prerequisites for arousal.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
I know those are big $10 words, but try to think of it in terms that a woman doesn't make a rational choice to be attracted to a guy, but rather is influenced by motivators she's not fully aware of and makes an emotional association with them and the guy she is attracted to.
I liked your whole write-up/rationale except this closer because I think you misspoke. Substitute conscious for rational?

If you think about it, her "reasons" for who she's attracted to in high school vs. college vs. adult are very rational. You gave clear... rational explanations for each of these. But what matters is realizing that the process is happening subconsciously for the most part. Millions of years of evolution has fine-tuned this process for the earth's current most capable animal.
 

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One thing about it, I'm more confident about myself and my life making 200k vs a struggling dentist trying to start my office. Even if the MONEY doesn't show up,the confidence will. If I made a million or so a year- I'd be "too cool for school" It's hard to be confident when you aren't sure where your next meal will come from.

This. Kinda hard when your back at square one to really worry about women.
 

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You don't understand women.

They don't flock to money, power, and status because they consciously calculate the NPV of all economic value extractable over 5 years and then evaluate the opportunity cost versus the next guy. No no no no. Only the most seasoned, high end gold diggers think like this.

They flock to money, power, and status because those things literally make a man more attractive to them. They create gina tingle in and of themselves, just like healthy breasts & butt wakes breadd jr up.

Check out those dumb Youtube "prank" gold digger videos where dude strolls up in Lambo and girls instantly want to fwck. You think they're logically calculating how much money they can extract from the guy? Fwck no. Just seeing the clean car, hearing the engine revving gets them wet, to where dude can pick them up without saying a single word.
 
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