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Centaurion said:
Just FYI, Lucifer is the Roman Lightbringer god. The guy translating the bible from hebrew to latin was in a rush, and wrongly translated a lot of stuff, Lucifer being one of them.
Doesn't matter. Lucifer is the light bearer which has given a select few (the global elite) occult knowledge aka "light." The light is nothing more than occult knowledge which man was not supposed to have, occult knowledge to control the masses. With that occult knowledge the elite in this world have brought forth wars, plagues, tyranny and death upon humanity.
 

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Read this little bit.

http://users.1st.net/fischer/blders01.HTM

I had my father,who is a mason,read through this,and he agree's with it,and told me it showed a very good insight into freemasonary.Meet a few Masons,ask them if you can attend a lodge meeting to see what its about,do some reserch on it,ask questions.Not trying to be mean,or rude,but its something you really need to find out firsthand,and then see if you want to join.There is also a book,called Born in Blood.If i can find it in the next few days,i will post the authors name,and where you can buy a copy of it.
 

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Brian20o2 said:
Are you sure he was in a rush or could it have been that he did that on purpose in order to undermine the roman gods. That makes far more sense to me because back then the religions were kind of in a competition to get the most followers and what better way to bring people to your religion than saying the others God of Light is the most evil being out there?
actually both of you are wrong. Lucifier is actually reffering to the planet venus
 

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dude, who do you mistake me for? you think I just woke up one morning and said "yep, I'll think I'll be a freemason today..". I know everything I can possibly know about freemansonary without being a freemason, and like i said in the original post, I am drawn too it
 

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Why are you drawn to it backbreaker?

It seems like a lot of the stuff is nutty mythology and silly, like scientology.

It also seems the lower ranking members never find out the really truly cult/nutty stuff.. hell, nobody except the so-called elite ever find out some of this stuff... I can only imagine it is way out there...

Why would a DJ want to join a cult of men who beleive is really wacky, crazy myths? Seems like a sheep/beta male thing

Now, some like my father joined only for business.. he dismisses the higher-degree masonry as foolishness.

I guess you can get helped by other masons but it always seemed to me to be a silly elitist society...

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backbreaker said:
actually both of you are wrong. Lucifier is actually reffering to the planet venus
Sorry, should have been more clear. Lucifer was the Roman name given for the morning star (bringer of light), Venus. And Venus is part of Roman mythology (apparently Caesar descended from Venus).
 

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And some reading about Lucifer :

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml
Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."
And also : http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm
 

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Centaurion said:
So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
did you just pull that out of a mormon website? are you mormon? do you know about the history of mormonism?
 

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Since I read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" back in 1998, I've been interested in history. Yes I know that the secret documents it was based on turned out to be a hoax, but nevertheless it put forward a lot of interesting theories that got me thinking.

The more I read history and the more I look into world changing events, the more I realize that there has to be some sort of a secret powerful organization out there that is pulling the strings behind the curtains.

Look at the Knights Templar (Freemasons incorporated Knights Templar symbols and rituals). The more I look into this, the more I am convinced that there is an unseen force that has operated in the shadows for centuries and pulled strings as they saw fit.

Let us say that the Dossier Secrets is a hoax, but that still doesn’t explain everything. The first historical information we have about the Knights Templar is dated 1175-85 and was provided by the historian Guillaume de Tyre. This was during the peek of the crusades (7 major crusades in total, the first one being the most successful), Western armies had conquered the Holy Land and formed the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

According to Guillaume de Tyre the 'Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Salomon' was founded in 1118 by Hugues de Payen. One day, out of the blue, Hugues and 8 comrades show up at the doorstep of Baudouin I, king of Jerusalem (whose brother Godfroi de Baouillon had captured the Holy City 19 years earlier). They received a warm welcome from the King and the Patriach of Jerusalem. The King immediately vacated an entire wing of the royal palace and placed it under the knight's disposal. It is believed that their quarters were built on the foundations of the ancient temple of Solomonv (hence the name).

They took upon the noble quest of keeping the roads safe and offering protection to the pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. For the next 9 years the Templars did not admit new candidates to the order. They were still supposed to live in poverty, there are official Templar seals showing two knights sharing a horse.

During these years something happened to make their popularity soar like a wildfire throughout Europe. The 9 knights returned to Europe in 1127 where they received a triumphal welcome by Saint Bernard, furthermore in 1128 Saint Bernard issued a tract praising the virtues of the Templars stating that they were the epitome of Christian values. In January 1128 at a Church council at Troyes (Bernard was the drive force behind it all), the Templars were officially recognized as a religious-military organization and later that year Hugues de Payen visited England, where he was received with the utmost respect and 'great worship' by King Henry I.

From there it all started to snowballing. In 1139 Pope Innocent II (St Bernard’s protégé) issued a papal bull were the Templars would owe alliance to no other than the Pope himself, rendering them totally independent from political and religious authorities.

During the next hundred years the Templars became a substantial power with almost unlimited international influence. In England the master of the Templars was regularly called to parliament and took precedence over all priors and abbots in the country. They maintained ties with the Muslim world as well, even with the Hashishim. It is clear that they had the power to make or depose monarch when the master of the Temple warned Henry III when he in 1252 threatened the order.


Now tell me, how can a group of nine poor knights be received by the King and the Patriach of Jerusalem as the Templars did? How could they go from totally anonymity to become the Powerhouse in Europe for hundreds of years? There are stories that they discovered some secret concerning the origins of Christianity during their stay in Jerusalem. Wolfram von Eschenbrach stated eight centuries ago that the Templars were the guardians of the Holy Grail, whatever that might be.

Clearly something does not add up. There must have been a force behind the scene that catapulted Hugues de Payen and his companions into the higher echelons of European Society. As the Knights Templar spawned the Teutonic Knights, could not the Knights Templars in itself be the spawn or front of another highly elusive and secretive organization?
 

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Joe The Homophobe said:
did you just pull that out of a mormon website? are you mormon? do you know about the history of mormonism?
I pulled it off a mormon site because it was the first hit on google and it describes what I wanted to say pretty well. No, I'm not a mormon.

Another one here : http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm
 

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since you mentioned holy blood, holy grail here is a link that talks about the occult mythology side of the nwo which should interest you
http://www.watch.pair.com/atlantis-rising.html (read the other acts as well)

I mentioned mormonism since you pulled a quote from a mormon cult that has its leader as one of americas most wanted. Not only that but mormonism is paganism in disguise. Most christians sects and religions of the world are paganism in disguise. Lucifer has his hands in everything.

Holy blood, holy grail is an illuminati work itself. It wants us to believe that royal families of europe are descendants of Christ. They want us to believe the scum of the earth, the families involved in the nwo/all the wars and famines and plagues of the world are actually descendants of christ. If you believe that and believe Jesus married Mary Magdalene, then you believe that Bush is a descendant of christ. After all bush comes from royal blood just like most of the world leaders of the great nations. The queen and royal family are involved in some very nasty things. Researchers like Icke point out the links to the global drug trade and the queen.

holy blood, holy grail exposes itself once you find out that those royal families that look like such nice people on tv are key players in the nwo. Then you do research and find out that their descendants have and are presidents/politicians of the most important nations on earth. Yet they expect you to believe they are descendants from the son of God, but in fact their own evil actions being responsible for all the bad in the world expose them.
 
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