IOIs and false positives

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I posted something similar in the discussion forums.

Anyone have any thoughts on the signs of IOIs and them actually being false positives? Meaning from women who know what they're doing and are aware they're only using them to boost their own egos or for whatever self serving purpose but have no real interest in a guy even though they show all the "signs"?

I for one do not believe in IOIs. Only a yes, meet/date, and escalation. Not something that is supposed to be subconciously done that can be controlled to string guys along like a pawn.
 

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Women lead guys on all the time for whatever reason....make another guy jealous, get an ego boost and some attention because they're feeling down, etc. If she's not really interested in you, you will know it soon enough. They don't fake things with guys that end up being their boyfriend or that they regularly hook up with...they cut the cord long before it comes to that.

Usually if they're leading you on, there will be some negative signals mixed in with the positive signals. When they're really digging you, you won't see any negative signals, or her attention will abruptly come to an end.
 

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Findog said:
When they're really digging you, you won't see any negative signals, or her attention will abruptly come to an end.

I'm not sure what you mean by their attention will abruptly come to an end if they are really digging you?
 

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Bumsniff said:
I'm not sure what you mean by their attention will abruptly come to an end if they are really digging you?
What I meant is that sometimes a girl will display behavior that is entirely consistent on the surface with high interest but she has a hidden agenda, and the "high interest" will come to a screeching halt once that hidden agenda is fulfilled. If a girl is not genuinely interested in you, but is leading you on for whatever reason, it will abruptly come to an end once it has served its purpose.

My first job right out of college I was working for the Texas legislature in Austin editing legislation. My department consisted of two types: "lifers" who were local musicians and who needed a steady paycheck. When the legislature wasn't in session, they could record music, or tour and play gigs. Then there were people like me, who were young kids fresh out of college and were temps just hired for the session.

There was this girl, I'll call her Amanda, that came on real strong to me, over the top flirting. I was too young and naive to see it for what it was. There were almost no negative signals. Her behavior was entirely consistent with high-interest. Of course, what she was really up to was that there was a "lifer" there, about 10 years older than me, that she really had her eye on. She was trying to get his attention and make him jealous. It worked. As soon as he started paying attention to her, she stopped paying attention to me. This whole process lasted a few weeks at most. From that I learned that until the girl is sliding up and down on your d*ck, you can't really make any assumptions about whether or not she is into you, or if you are just Plan B or Plan C while she hopes Plan A comes to fruition.

I had another girl that I carried a torch for far too long at the height of my AFC days (I still have my AFC tendencies that I'm working through now, it's very much a work in progress). It started off with some mutual flirting, but it never got off the ground, and she went off to grad school in another city and made it clear nothing was going to happen between us. A few years went by and we kept in sporadic contact through email. I had gotten to the point where I had accepted nothing was going to happen between us and I wasn't making much effort to return her emails that came in once or twice a month. This is of course when she started paying me lots of attention out of nowhere. I'd send her an email and instead of waiting two weeks to write me back, she was writing me back the same day. Soon we were chatting all day every day over g-chat. Then she invited me to come visit her where she was living on a weekend (4 hour drive away). So I went down and visited her, things seemed to go real well, and I left her place that Sunday thinking we were finally going to be dating. Uh, no. She pulled a 180 and made it clear that nothing romantic was ever going to happen past that weekend. I'm guessing she must have recently gotten dumped, or was hard up, horny and lonely or something. I didn't realize it, but I was Plan Z break glass in case of emergency.

When a girl is really digging you, it begins like Ben Johnson coming out of the starting blocks in Seoul. There is steady and consistent escalation until you're f*cking her. If there are stops and starts, and you find yourself wondering where you stand with her, it means she's not that into you or she's keeping you in the picture just enough in case her Plan A doesn't work out.
 

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Findog said:
If a girl is not genuinely interested in you, but is leading you on for whatever reason, it will abruptly come to an end once it has served its purpose.

My first job right out of college I was working for the Texas legislature in Austin editing legislation. My department consisted of two types: "lifers" who were local musicians and who needed a steady paycheck. When the legislature wasn't in session, they could record music, or tour and play gigs. Then there were people like me, who were young kids fresh out of college and were temps just hired for the session.

There was this girl, I'll call her Amanda, that came on real strong to me, over the top flirting. I was too young and naive to see it for what it was. There were almost no negative signals. Her behavior was entirely consistent with high-interest. Of course, what she was really up to was that there was a "lifer" there, about 10 years older than me, that she really had her eye on. She was trying to get his attention and make him jealous. It worked. As soon as he started paying attention to her, she stopped paying attention to me. This whole process lasted a few weeks at most. From that I learned that until the girl is sliding up and down on your d*ck, you can't really make any assumptions about whether or not she is into you, or if you are just Plan B or Plan C while she hopes Plan A comes to fruition.

I had another girl that I carried a torch for far too long at the height of my AFC days (I still have my AFC tendencies that I'm working through now, it's very much a work in progress). It started off with some mutual flirting, but it never got off the ground, and she went off to grad school in another city and made it clear nothing was going to happen between us. A few years went by and we kept in sporadic contact through email. I had gotten to the point where I had accepted nothing was going to happen between us and I wasn't making much effort to return her emails that came in once or twice a month. This is of course when she started paying me lots of attention out of nowhere. I'd send her an email and instead of waiting two weeks to write me back, she was writing me back the same day. Soon we were chatting all day every day over g-chat. Then she invited me to come visit her where she was living on a weekend (4 hour drive away). So I went down and visited her, things seemed to go real well, and I left her place that Sunday thinking we were finally going to be dating. Uh, no. She pulled a 180 and made it clear that nothing romantic was ever going to happen past that weekend. I'm guessing she must have recently gotten dumped, or was hard up, horny and lonely or something. I didn't realize it, but I was Plan Z break glass in case of emergency.

When a girl is really digging you, it begins like Ben Johnson coming out of the starting blocks in Seoul. There is steady and consistent escalation until you're f*cking her. If there are stops and starts, and you find yourself wondering where you stand with her, it means she's not that into you or she's keeping you in the picture just enough in case her Plan A doesn't work out.
I must've misread the last part of your last reply. But I completely agree that a lot of times IOI's are false positives for women to keep their options open yet don't necessarily include you as a choice but a pawn. I don't even believe it has to be another guy in the same place but a guy who she can use you as a jealousy piece to name drop and get what she wants from the guy she really wants.
 
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Whenever a woman is too overt in her interest, I immediately get suspicious. The first thing I do is observe her behavior around other males. If she treats them the same way, you know she is an attention ho.

The really clever ones will try to get the guy away from the other males before she starts pouring it on, so they don't know about each other. But even they will slip up sooner or later and reveal their true nature.

Anyway, if you like the girl, flirt back or whatever you want to do. Just don't get caught up in her until you know what you're dealing with.
 

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I don't understand the term false positive in the business of getting women.

It's only a positive when you bed her, no? And when you get her, it's a positive.

"False Positive" implies you are mentally checking off items from a list that

would scuttle you to poonie land if you do all your homework.

That's not a correct mental state. I may be overanalyzing but Uncle Zeek

sums it up quite well when he says:

Just don't get caught up in her until you know what you're dealing with
...and before that?

Don't look hard for "positives". Because chances are you will find them even

when they don't exist.
 

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I never really got the whole "indicator of interest" thing

If I say to a woman "lets go back to mine" and she says "yes".....then i take that to be an indicator of interest. Everything else is just noise.
 
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