Internet Suppression - Your Thoughts?

[Morpheus]

The thing is right now we have this thing where everyone only wants medical personnel to be vaccinated, yet if that's the case then we won't have enough health care workers, so they can't introduce these mandates in Ontario, Quebec and they are now being challenged all over the country which is emboldened the Anti-Vax crowd even more.

On the flip side, I have been at the gym and had employees of the city who work at the gym attempt to make up their own rules without any official mandate behind them such as time limits at the gym, showing actual government issued ID alongside my vaccination which isn't required and attempted to refuse entry to me until I escalated it, I've also had these same people disclose to others when my vaccinations were done which is absurd, like where is my privacy in this?

It's ****ing wild, I'm about ready to leave

It's obviously getting very personal. I guess no medical privacy would have to be just another aspect of the prevailing medical tyranny. Up until this point, such public disclosures of people's medical records would have to have been some sort of a crime wouldn't it? Now - it has been normalized.

It sounds a lot like Australia, where most people don't seem to have a clue what is actually going on or what is ultimately likely to happen, as they are just following the MSM propaganda narrative of hate for the unvaxxed. They are likely to be in for a big shock when reality hits them. As someone was saying about Canada on another forum, most fully vaccinated Canadians got their second dose around 5 months ago and winter is coming. One month from now most of them will have a 6 month old vaccination. This winter is going to be a nasty surprise for the people who believe the constant barrage of vaccine propaganda.

The vaccinologists (Malone, vanden Bossche) have been saying, for over 6 months now, that high rates of vaccination are likely to actually be a very bad thing. They have most definitely NOT been advocating mass vaccination - that is based upon sheer greed (vaccine sales). And the evidence now fully supports them - the countries with the highest rates of vaccination also have the highest rates of infection (Israel, UK, Ireland) and I dare say they will soon be joined by NZ (already 90 per cent), Canada and Australia.

And, as you say, medical work forces are being decimated everywhere by vaccine mandates on top of already high levels of fatigue, because, if anyone knows how dangerous these vaccines are, they do. Moreover, the rising tide of vax injuries (which, of course, cannot be reported in case it increases vax hesitancy) is also overwhelming hospitals and so hospital staffs. So, there are now reports of the vaccinated getting their, condescending, wish to never allow an unvaccinated HCW to touch them, with precisely NO health care workers to care for them. This is shaping up to be a real bloodbath.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

you know the diference of a threat, to the act? most people ove rthe internet are idiots and talk a lot more and never back that out in real life, if you act scared to everything someone tells you, you will jsut live to apease others.

Well if people acted the same way in real life as they do on the internet then it would quickly be a civil war, total anarchy and breakup of modern society.

You simply cannot behave in real life that way.

You would be instantly punched in the face etc as you would break the social code of how you should behave and interact with other people and show respect and consideration to other fellow human beings.

 

[Alvafe]

Well if people acted the same way in real life as they do on the internet then it would quickly be a civil war, total anarchy and breakup of modern society.

You simply cannot behave in real life that way.

You would be instantly punched in the face etc as you would break the social code of how you should behave and interact with other people and show respect and consideration to other fellow human beings.

that is the point, internet give the anonymous cloak, with give people more corage, in the same way as a mob, a lone person act in a way, a person in a mob in another, in the internet people feel free to say what they think in a way it gives people to express they inner thoughts with in RL no one had the guts to do, because that would break they social circle or make people hate then, remember how woman act with they friends and then with others, they hate each otehr guts but will always act friendly, because they NEED the social network, with us men tend to choose more friends we like, its not a wonder most of time a couple will follow the social circle they wife make

but, in the end freedom is a funny thing, everyone want to say they are free, but most are too scared of it and search for ways to stop said freedom, so they stay safe in the film V of vendetta ahve a talk like that, people let the goverment became like that just to be safe

 

[jimwho]

Most forums are banning any discussion of "politics," which is a euphemism for a ban on telling the truth.

Liberals insist upon it, conservatives do their best to get the word out anyway.

Happens here also. Say something that ruffles the feathers of a Moderator and the post gets deleted.
Doesn't have to be politics, you may not get to see this one either.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

This is sort of interesting:

CEO of Large Doomsday Bunker Builder Says The Global Elite "Fear A Rebellion is Brewing" | SHTF Plan

According to the CEO of one of the world's largest doomsday bunker builders for the elitists, those who are in power currently fear a "rebellion" of those who they are ruling over. Ron Hubbard, the CEO of Atlas Survival Shelters, while being interviewed by The Canadian Prepper tells us right...

www.shtfplan.com

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Now it seems that Austria is the next country to fall to tyranny and totalitarianism..

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Austria to BAN unvaccinated from long list of public spaces

Austria will soon bar the unvaccinated from entering a long list of public places, among them bars, cafes and hotels, the country’s chancellor said, pointing to an unexpectedly rapid surge in Covid-19 cases.

www.rt.com

Man this is frigging heart breaking to see this developing all over western world.


Well at least for now some are refusing to comply like my home country Denmark:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1328071422036430848

For whatever that is worth...

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.

www.latimes.com

Well not surprised...

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

But governments keeps pushing their agenda:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457248229280657412

and Italy...

At least the Italians have some balls to stand up and protest against this bulls'hit.

GoldMan Sachs likes the new vaccine subscription model. You should invest too..

https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1453426789804482561?s=20

 

[Morpheus]

Now it seems that Austria is the next country to fall to tyranny and totalitarianism..

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Austria to BAN unvaccinated from long list of public spaces

Austria will soon bar the unvaccinated from entering a long list of public places, among them bars, cafes and hotels, the country’s chancellor said, pointing to an unexpectedly rapid surge in Covid-19 cases.

www.rt.com

Man this is frigging heart breaking to see this developing all over western world.

Austria will soon bar the unvaccinated from entering a long list of public places, among them bars, cafes and hotels, the country’s chancellor said, pointing to an unexpectedly rapid surge in Covid-19 cases.

So their policies are clearly failing (rising infections, which, as noted in my post above, is due to the high vaccination rates with very 'leaky' vaccines). So what do they do? Double down more on their already failing policies. Higher rates of vaccination only lead to higher rates of infection. And, as you also noted, the vaccines are very ineffective both in terms of their duration and design (they are all fighting the last war - being based upon a variant that was even prior to the alpha variant, not the delta variant which has largely escaped them). Hence, the high rates of infection.

Well at least for now some are refusing to comply like my home country Denmark:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1328071422036430848

For whatever that is worth...

That looks a lot like the sort of law that they are trying to pass, right now, in Victoria. Though the Victorian law is probably worse:

(3.30 minute mark)

All the state of emergency powers will transferred to one man, Dan Andrews.

Completely bi-passing parliament.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Double down more on their already failing policies.

Yeah, pretty ironic right?

That looks a lot like the sort of law that they are trying to pass, right now, in Victoria. Though the Victorian law is probably worse:

Its all retarded and scary that they keep pushing this narrative for something that clearly doesn't work properly. The vaccines are not finished production stage ready products yet. They do not offer the needed protection; people that have taken the jab is still transmitting the decease and getting sick. And on top of that you have some quite nasty side effects..

But yeah, its all about money and power and not so much about people health it seems like.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

All the state of emergency powers will transferred to one man, Dan Andrews.

Wow, so Australia got a new emperor at the throne with unlimited powers.
That is a very dangerous path to walk.. and it will probably go straight to hell.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Sigh... United Kingdom is next too fall too?
I known for a while back that UK was bad, but now its getting even worse over there..

UK Considering Legislation That Would Imprison Internet Trolls

“Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate,” the Times of London reports.

fee.org

and

Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate. Ministers

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Bill Gates: ‘Germ Games’ Needed to Prepare for Bioterrorist Attacks

www.theepochtimes.com

Why is bill Gates so interested in this?
He was in on this long before covid.
Just asking a honest theoretical question and we not talking conspiracy theories. Please leave that out.

 

[Morpheus]

Sigh... United Kingdom is next too fall too?
I known for a while back that UK was bad, but now its getting even worse over there..

UK Considering Legislation That Would Imprison Internet Trolls

“Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate,” the Times of London reports.

fee.org

and

Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate. Ministers

www.thetimes.co.uk

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Yes. It does all look rather worrying. Though I find it difficult to judge anything from newpaper reports, because they tend to use such
misleading language themselves. Does the bill in question actually make reference to "trolls"? For many, trolling seems to be an art
form rather than any direct expression of 'hate'. I haven't really bothered much with the MSM for decades now for this sort of basic
problem and everything seems to be behind paywalls these days anyway.

One also wonders how they assess psychological harm. It does seem to be a constant theme amongst the vax injured, for instance, that they directed mainly to psychologists and told that they are just experiencing psychological anxiety. Obviously, one suspects that this is just an attempt to gaslight them.

One problem at the moment would seem to be that the state is, it seems invariably, the source of so much disinformation and so many patent falsehoods. And it's clearly been exceptionally harmful. Indeed, some of the more interesting whistleblowers in the UK seem to be undertakers/funeral directors. I saw another one just the other day.

UK Funeral Director: 10 Times More Dead Babies

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Does the bill in question actually make reference to "trolls"?

As they get that kind power then they can label anything they want as "trolling", "hate speech" etc.
Who decides really what is trolling or hate speech, right?
They can jail you for anything they want that doesn't suit them.

It is more or less the end of free speech as I see it.

 

[Morpheus]

As they get that kind power then they can label anything they want as "trolling", "hate speech" etc.
Who decides really what is trolling or hate speech, right?
They can jail you for anything they want that doesn't suit them.

It is more or less the end of free speech as I see it.

Yes. That could well be happening, though I don't know that we ever had free speech here. They seem to be trying to criminalise all
sorts of expression. We are seeing right now the tremendous dangers of such censorship.

Harm is inevitably going to be very perspectival (subjective). But, in the commonwealth countries (The United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand), we have no or practically no individual rights, so individuals have no real protections against the political process (mob rule). Such legislation is just going to protect the majority and politically powerful views (group think) and not that of individuals. This is one thing that is much more impressive about the US. I'm certainly on the side of freedom of expression, but without legal checks on political power, and we don't have that here, its difficult to see how we can get there, here at least. Which makes me wonder whether the (lets call it) 'the Scandinavian model' is closer to the position in the US?

I just don't tend to find the MSM all that helpful in discussing these sort of things, since they seen to be, at best, trolling themselves.
But, I dare say their particular type of trolling won't be outlawed as they represent one such politically powerful view.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Which makes me wonder whether the (lets call it) 'the Scandinavian model' is closer to the position in the US?

Well I know that freedom of speech is written into the constitutions of Denmark and Sweden. I'm currently in Sweden and you dont see any people anymore with face diapers etc. People just live normally and there is no restrictions.

However in Denmark with the socialist party/Mette Frederiksen (She is really power hungry), at the power we have seen some bat **** crazy stuff.
They are now again trying to impose the stupid and very dangerous vaccine passport back in Denmark which are dangerous because they are in reality a social score card.

With that in place (Just like China already has and is using to limit/force Chinese citizens to comply), what will stop the government from blocking your right from withdraw money from your bank account, using public transport, canceling your passport etc., etc., if you don't comply and have good social score right?

 

[Morpheus]

Well I know that freedom of speech is written into the constitutions of Denmark and Sweden. I'm currently in Sweden and you dont see any people anymore with face diapers etc. People just live normally and there is no restrictions.

However in Denmark with the socialist party/Mette Frederiksen (She is really power hungry), at the power we have seen some bat **** crazy stuff.
They are now again trying to impose the stupid and very dangerous vaccine passport back in Denmark which are dangerous because they are in reality a social score card.

Thanks for that, which continues to take us in an interesting direction.

What I've begun to wonder is whether there is going to be anywhere (in the west), in spite of freedom of speech there, for instance, that is going to respond to covid in a sufficiently rational way to avoid continuing large scale fallout from all these irrational (fear based) responses?

A Question for Scandinavians (in general)

Since there are a few scandinavians here (though AttackFormation seems to have disappeared) and you all, like the American's, have free speech I'm wondering whether that has significantly affected the response to covid there? Sweden's is still held up by many, including Drs McCullough and Malone, as probably the most sane and sensible (if obviously not perfect) response to covid that we have seen in the Western World.

In Scandinavia, as we have seen that you have freedom of speech but also a tendency for these countries to be comparatively left leaning (certainly, like most countries, when compared to the US). Now, I'm wondering whether, the latter isn't necessarily a good thing in this respect. Left leaning certainly in the context of most places in the West (US, Australia, Canada) seems to mean higher rates of vaccination.

My empression is that most of Europe in general (the EU) is pretty terrible. Southern europe is a tragedy. In places like the
Netherlands (which isn't that far away) ivermectin was definitely banded with very harsh penalties for doctors prescribing it long
before it was in Australia. I gather the French are (as usual) at least protesting a lot, but there is no news coverage of such things
here.

Are the vaccination rates high in Scandanavia? I'm getting that impression. The word has obviously got out in the US about how
dangerous the vaccines are. And they were probably suspicious to begin with (opioid crisis anyone?). So their vaccination rates in
many places still seem to remain quite low (in spite of Biden) and they are certainly putting up a fight in quite a few places (esp. Florida, Texas). This was the best vaccination rate map of the US that I could find (like a lot of people, I won't necessarily know where the particular states are):

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

Everybody seems to be asleep here in Australia (even Canada's done better fighting back). But all the latter Commonwealth countries seem to have high vaccination rates, which the vaccinologists (vanden Bossche, Malone) have been warning against. Are people aware of Geert vanden Bossche's (Belgium) dire warnings and predictions there? After all, he is at least a bit closer to where you are.

Given there is so much fear everywhere, I'm wondering whether anywhere has really escaped these irrational responses, largely driven by disinformation emanating from governments and the MSM everywhere.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Are the vaccination rates high in Scandanavia?

About + 80-85%.

. Now, I'm wondering whether, the latter isn't necessarily a good thing in this respect.

I don't see it as good thing. The left is always pushing for more power towards totalitarianism as we see in Denmark with the socialist Mette Frederiksen. In Sweden they have tried too, but if i remember it correctly they were stopped by judges saying that would be against the constitution and thus unlawful to drive through the left's agenda on this matter. In Denmark Mette Frederiksen didn't give a flying fvck and thought she were above the law. So she broke the law and made some very drastic changes and restrictions which are against the Danish constitution.
Usually in a normal political environment the conservatives/conservative parties will normally fight against this and act like a break, thus stopping the left from making harmful changes to society. But this times not so much...

It seems they are scared too because the left and the communists has gained too much power in the western society as a whole and now controls the major part of the society such as education system, the media, entertainment sector and large part of the "government machinery", so they don´t seem to act they way they should either.

I might be wrong about this apart, but it feels like they (the conservatives), are just tagging along.

@stringpuller you're Norwegian right?
What do you think about this and Morpheus question about Scandinavia?

 

[Morpheus]

About + 80-85%.

That's quite high as I guess you would probably expect given how wealthy they are.

It may well be that nobody has heard of vanden Bossche's, perhaps rather esoteric, warnings. I've paid much more attention to
McCullough and Malone myself, though the latter credits vanden Bossche for a number of his views and they all accept his central thesis.

It seems like the US is the great exception in the developed world. People here like to look down their nose at America (particularly over the response to covid) for its lack of unity. I personally take their capacity to disagree with one another and resist the tyranny of
medical groupthink to be a great strength. If there has been resistance to the recent medical nihilism anywhere, it has been in America.

 

[Morpheus]

I don't see it as good thing. The left is always pushing for more power towards totalitarianism as we see in Denmark with the socialist Mette Frederiksen. In Sweden they have tried too, but if i remember it correctly they were stopped by judges saying that would be against the constitution and thus unlawful to drive through the left's agenda on this matter. In Denmark Mette Frederiksen didn't give a flying fvck and thought she were above the law. So she broke the law and made some very drastic changes and restrictions which are against the Danish constitution.
Usually in a normal political environment the conservatives/conservative parties will normally fight against this and act like a break, thus stopping the left from making harmful changes to society. But this times not so much...

It seems they are scared too because the left and the communists has gained too much power in the western society as a whole and now controls the major part of the society such as education system, the media, entertainment sector and large part of the "government machinery", so they don´t seem to act they way they should either.

I might be wrong about this apart, but it feels like they (the conservatives), are just tagging along.

You've explained Denmark. I've just taken a crash course in Swedish politics. There used to be lots of stories about Sweden's feminist government. It seems like there is more competition from the right these days. I found this video to be useful because it concerns the trend towards political crisis in Sweden rather than just immediate political events:

In this followup, they conclude by saying that there are parallels in Denmark and Norway:

@stringpuller you're Norwegian right?
What do you think about this and Morpheus question about Scandinavia?

I think @Serenity is from Norway. I don't know about stringpuller.