Internet Sarging myths

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*** Myth # 1: Meeting women online isn't the real world

Response: It BECOMES the real world once you meet them in person

*** Myth # 2: It becomes a crutch for people

Response: Well in that case so are clubs or any specific venue where you operate within only one channel, and within certain times of day

*** Myth # 3: All the girls you meet have some sort of problem

Response: This may be more true in smaller towns, but in bigger cities where internet dating is more mainstream, this is certainly not the case. The average chick you meet online is representative of the average chick outside

*** Myth # 4: You lose communication skills

Response: You challenge your communication skills. In fact in some ways it is even harder to pull from online since all you have is the power of text. How do you think I learned NLP and flirting? Hundreds of MSN chats leading to hundreds of phone calls, leading to dozens of meets. It all helps.

*** Myth # 5: It's a numbers game.

Response: It's always a numbers game. The main difference is that women are less likely to remember you if you "****ed up" online. But once you get the skills you can "sarge" her again with a different picture and a different profile and go from there.

*** Myth # 6: It just doesn't work, period. You're wasting your time.

Response: You suck at it, period. There's an even bigger matrix for internet sarging than in-person sarging. As evident by the fact that even certain "gurus" renounce it's effectiveness.

*** Myth # 7: Hot women on the internet are validation queens who don't want to meet.

Response: Hot women EVERYWHERE are validation queens. Whether they are sitting in front of a computer or out at the club - they are always in the princess mindset.

*** Myth # 8: It limits your choices.

Response: I can technically sarge more than one woman at a time with multiple chat windows, and home in on the one that is most receptive and get her on the phone, and return to the others later.

*** Myth # 9: You don't know what you're doing wrong unlike in real life where you get actual feedback.

Response: Partially true. BUT by getting girls on my MSN I can better observe certain behavior patterns which I would NOT normally be able to notice as clearly. This reinforces the understanding I have of certain behavior patterns which I "suspected" were true from my own in-person experiences but never had direct non-anecdotal evidence to prove.

Example 1 - If a girl is digging me she will ALWAYS initiate messaging me. Once I get them on MSN I can roughly gauge her interest over time like a meter, based on how and when she uses the Away, Busy, or Online status.

If she likes me and really wants to talk to me she will change her Away or Busy status to Online, when I log in. Conversely, if she doesn't like me she will switch to Away or Busy status when I log in. Much easier than calling and re-calling the girl whom you can't quite tell if she is just not interested or just has a lot on the go. Getting a girl on your MSN from an in-person sarge is also good for this same reason.

Unlike the phone where even girls who like you won't always initiate calling you, by getting them on your messenger you take away that source of "stage fright", and make them more likely to chase you a bit. Which means that IF they like you they will message you, ALWAYS, even the shy girls.
And this will indeed happen if you ran good game the first time you chatted and HOOKED them. Setting up a meet is EASY then.

Example 2 - I can more easily, based on behavior patterns, figure out which chicks are seeking pure validation from me as opposed to actually being interested. I've had a few chicks message me out of the blue who sorta hinted at meeting up, and so I took the bait and went for it. But then they declined as they were "too busy". I then looked at the Allow List on my MSN (which tells me which chicks still have me on their contact list), and I found that these same chicks deleted me soon after. I gave them the validation they sought and their mission was accomplished.

Another way to tell if chicks aren't interested, but would still like your validation, is if they don't reply to your MSN messages, and if you check your Allow list you see that they deleted you from their contact list. But they haven't blocked YOU, so you can still see them online (and hence message them if you want). This adds evidence to the claim that girls want you to like them even if they don't like you, meaning they will open the door for you to chase them even if they have no interest in you.

*** Myth # 10: It's too time consuming.

Response: It's less time consuming because all I have to do is be in the right mental state, as opposed to being in the right mental state, dressed up, cleaned up, and in the right venue. I can do this from work, or while in my pajamas. And I sometimes keep my cell phone near my computer so I can get the chicks on the phone if need be.

*** Myth # 11: It creates excuses.

Response: Excuses become less plausible. There are no ****blocks, or other obstacles to complain about. You can't even say there are lack of targets since searches turn up THOUSANDS of prospects.

Once you get her attention, can you keep it, and can you get her to meet you? Remember, she might have some internet stigma associated with meeting you as well, not always easy to overcome either. Internet sarging is a great way to isolate your attraction game from confounding obstacles like logistics and ****blocks. So when you **** up it's all you...there's nothing else in the universe to blame.

*** Myth # 12: It takes less skill then real life.

Response: In some ways it takes more skill because, as I said, all you have is the power of text to work with, which is why real life game is more accessible to more people INITIALLY, simply because it's easier. Once you get some real life skill then give online a shot, and if you're like me, and you're out of town a lot, then internet sarging will make your game WAY more efficient (less costly too, as clubs, booze, and cab fare are fairly $$$. Also, there's the matter of health. I want to preserve my hearing well into the future..)
 

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D@mn, I agree with this entire post. Bravo! :up:

The world must be coming to an end....
 

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*** Myth # 7: Hot women on the internet are validation queens who don't want to meet.

Response: Hot women EVERYWHERE are validation queens. Whether they are sitting in front of a computer or out at the club - they are always in the princess mindset.
All hot women are validation queens? I'm not so sure about that.

Are the personalities of women that you've met off the internet going to be the same as those you've met in real life? I'm not so sure about that, either.
 

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I agree entirely as well!

Because all you have is text to work with it also gives you a great opportunity to develop CONTENT. A lot of people complain about running out of things to say or not doing a good job keeping someone's interest in a conversation. Well online you HAVE to develop interesting content to dicuss or you lose interest.

Also since things like voice inflection, body language, etc. are not present online, it lets you test content to see if its the content or delivery that you're screwing up on.

I also find that it is possible to set a frame for an online conversation with your use of smiley faces and gestures. For example I often use faces like :D :cool: ;) during my online chats, and everything is happy. I also add things like "*pats you on the shoulder*", "*slaps your ass*", "*chuckles to himself*", etc. to simulate gestures and body language, and that really seems to work as well. There is kind of an e-Vibe going.

But whenever I don't use smiley faces or gestures, even if the content is the same, I get asked if something is wrong or if I'm mad.

Getting an e-Vibe going is very challenging and those who can master content and then learn what kind of gestures and things work with it over the internet will ultimatley be successful in the real world as well.

Let's change this whole impression on this site that online doesn't count or is a "crutch". For those who say "get off the internet and go clubbing" all you are saying is replace one crutch with another. There is no "better" or "true" way to sarge.

****IMPORTANT TIP**** If you do meet girls you've met online be sure to be congruent with your online personality in real life as well. If you are happy and flirty online don't be quiet and awkward in reality. That's the fastest way to blow yourself out and then wonder why things went bad "since she really liked me online!"
 

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Originally posted by Wonderbread166
All hot women are validation queens? I'm not so sure about that.

Are the personalities of women that you've met off the internet going to be the same as those you've met in real life? I'm not so sure about that, either.
Not all are so extreme but they do seem to act a little differently when a DJ finally validates that they think that they are attractive. I've found that if you don't acknowledge what seems obvious, the women starts questioning her own worth since this guy who's completely together doesn't seem to think that she's all that attractive. Not a fun thing to watch.
 

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gotta agree

Internet dating is a whole lot of fun esp if you use the kiss/wink system as there is already an interest in each other and you arent chasing someone that isnt interested and you know a whole lot about them before hand and also have material to work with eg travel,music, food,hobbies etc

But remember dont wait 3 days or so before emailing back , the pressure is on more than at a club etc

escalate things as quickly as possible

you email her

she emails you

depending on the vibe from her 1st email go for the phone number , maybe if the rapport isnt quite there you send 1 more email and from her next reply you go the number (she might be all new to internet dating and is still living under the stigma of internet dating is weird)

sometimes you get them right into the game and they will be asking for your number as she doesnt play games and isnt into email ping pong ( this is what you will find from someone that has done a reasonable amount of internet dating)

as above smilies to convey emotion and voice as its very easily misunderstod

if you get on a IM messenger then dont go into a huge depth of conversation , IM is fun if you use it as intended , you can be more flirty, blunt and straight forward that you would be in person and it will blow your mind just how giving people are of information if you just ask despite them not knowing you or met you , its also a great time to be C+F with lots of smilies , and can also guage the interest level as per myth 9

whatever you do dont become an email buddy, IM buddy , escalate it and get them on the phone , be casual and 'get together' for a drink , this way if you click then great , if not you move on
 

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Originally posted by Jestor
*** Myth # 4: You lose communication skills

Response: You challenge your communication skills. In fact in some ways it is even harder to pull from online since all you have is the power of text. How do you think I learned NLP and flirting? Hundreds of MSN chats leading to hundreds of phone calls, leading to dozens of meets. It all helps.
The problem is, using MSN destroys body language skills, probably more important than the content of your words. Most guys can come up with content in the 5 minutes delay it takes to send a message, but in real life when you have 1 second to think, it's a different game.
 

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Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
The problem is, using MSN destroys body language skills, probably more important than the content of your words. Most guys can come up with content in the 5 minutes delay it takes to send a message, but in real life when you have 1 second to think, it's a different game.
So I guess that a paraplegic could never become a DJ. You guys depend on actions way too much. What's worse is that women don't operate that way and you guys don't realize it. Women need mental stimulation to initiate attraction; that's why you always hear them talk about 'chemistry.'

You guys keep using crutches like body language, kino, eye contact and the rest of the things that you need. You'll never be able to sarge online and will have limited success on the phone. Think about it guys who have a problem sarging online; can you write well? Can you keep a womans attention with your written word? Do you even attempt to raise her interest level without talking to her?

Think about how easy your everyday sarging could improve if you had these types of skills? Don't denounce the medium because of your lack of abilities.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
You guys keep using crutches like body language, kino, eye contact and the rest of the things that you need.
Okay, if you want to discount body language, expressions, voice tones, then try this:

Tomorrow, go out in old, faded, dirty clothes. Don't take a shower. Talk to a woman in a boring monotone. Stare at the ground when you talk. Slouch in your seat. Never vary your expression; always have a "stoned" look on your face.

Do you even attempt to raise her interest level without talking to her?
In my opinion what you say is the LEAST important aspect. Otherwise 200 IQ dorks would be the most smooth pickup artists in the world.

In my experience, women don't fall in love (or get horny) with the things you say; they fall in love/get turned on by the overall image you present.
 

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I'm getting tired of some of these DJs that rationalize themselves and PUT OUR MASCULINITY UNDERNEATH women. YOU DJs who advocate this, want US to put women on pedestal and send them countless online messages? REAL MEN are here to destroy and create things by action. Body language is essential Francisco da fake DJ.

Are you gonna be afraid of Francisco coming into a club.. with his shoulders slouched forward, his head down, and his hands in his pocket?

Or are you going to be curious when Don Juan Monk comes up, chest pumped, shoulders slightly back, head up, and arms moving confidently?

The leader will save the pack, destroy enemies at will, advance his mates to glorious fire. They become hunters, presidents, killers and they will put women in their place because women want to surrender to us.

The weakling will stay in the back, taking whatever is given, and will live... in pity. They become the stay at home husband, the babytalking babysitter for a dominant woman, the DJ who says Online Dating is a good thing.

Yes maybe even a "nerdy" "dorky" boy who is good with words and money can pull in chicks just like Bill Gates. Yep, but the fact is.. the b1tch only has you for stability and to serve you as an accessory. You see them at supermarkets, BEHIND the woman pushing the babycart and making baby voices while the wife is telling the man to open his wallet and to buy this and that and then she goes home to watch Sex and the City while you have to do the diapers and wash the dishes. And when you want sex, you have to ask - You are too nice to just pull her pants down and use "body language" to ask for it. Then on the side, she's banging a dumb ass mechanic or a gym jock who she feels passion for and tells her want to do instead of her telling him what to do.
 

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lol internet dating is soo lame and kinda sad
 

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Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
I'm getting tired of some of these DJs that rationalize themselves and PUT OUR MASCULINITY UNDERNEATH women. YOU DJs who advocate this, want US to put women on pedestal and send them countless online messages? REAL MEN are here to destroy and create things by action. Body language is essential Francisco da fake DJ.


I'm taking control of this thread again since DufusJuanMonk failed to read the title of the thread which has nothing to do with sarging in a club.

I love hearing the rambling rants of Juanabees who have less than sufficient ability in an area so they attempt to deflect from it by saying that another area is more important. You'd think that they'd understand that a well rounded DJ can sarge anywhere.

As for the body language thing, it comes second to actual communication skills. Juanabees like Monk profess that posturing takes precedence over charisma. Any ape can stand up on two feet and brood, you have proven that. It takes a DJ with social skills to win over a woman who isn't impressed AMOGs who try to stomp over people because of their lack of social graces.

Monk, I'll take your kind all the time. Alpha-apes like you leading bands of alpha-chimps attemptting to AMOG me clubs. It's an entertaining exercise of futility on their part none the least.

But back to the purpose of this thread, to enlighten those who are capable of expanding their beliefs. Monk, you can leave now.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
Okay, if you want to discount body language, expressions, voice tones, then try this:

Tomorrow, go out in old, faded, dirty clothes. Don't take a shower. Talk to a woman in a boring monotone. Stare at the ground when you talk. Slouch in your seat. Never vary your expression; always have a "stoned" look on your face.


In my opinion what you say is the LEAST important aspect. Otherwise 200 IQ dorks would be the most smooth pickup artists in the world.

In my experience, women don't fall in love (or get horny) with the things you say; they fall in love/get turned on by the overall image you present.
Question: Body language will help you online how???? :confused: And offline, all you are talking about is walking upright, it's called posture. Anyone can do that, even you guys. It takes no talent at all.

By default, a charismatic person does those things. Their innate confidence refuses to allow them to do otherwise. Again, anyone can fake posture, just stand up straight. Charisma on the other hand is a skill, not everyone has it and no matter how tall you stand, that alone will not make you an engaging person.
 

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i think finding chicks online is cool..but not someting newbies should utilize in the beginning.

anyone whos starting out should definetly get in the field to gain necessary experience before doing the online thing.
 

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Originally posted by Jestor
*** Myth # 11: It creates excuses.

Response: Excuses become less plausible. There are no ****blocks, or other obstacles to complain about. You can't even say there are lack of targets since searches turn up THOUSANDS of prospects.

Once you get her attention, can you keep it, and can you get her to meet you? Remember, she might have some internet stigma associated with meeting you as well, not always easy to overcome either. Internet sarging is a great way to isolate your attraction game from confounding obstacles like logistics and ****blocks. So when you **** up it's all you...there's nothing else in the universe to blame.
No ****blocks? What about the hundreds of other guys sending her messages??
 

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Originally posted by C00L
i think finding chicks online is cool..but not someting newbies should utilize in the beginning.

anyone whos starting out should definetly get in the field to gain necessary experience before doing the online thing.
I can go along with that.
 

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Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

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No ****blocks? What about the hundreds of other guys sending her messages??
You mean the hundreds of AFCs sending her messages?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
You mean the hundreds of AFCs sending her messages?
And how do we distinguish ourselves online from the hundreds of AFCs?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Internet Sarging myths

Originally posted by BrotherAP
And how do we distinguish ourselves online from the hundreds of AFCs?
Well it sure as h3ll ain't by using body language!!! :crackup:
 
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