Interesting situation with the Lesbian

[STR8UP]

I posted about this chick awhile back expressing my disappointment that a sexy, fun, FEMININE chick that I could see myself spending time with just so happened to be a lesbian. Check it out

Anyway, this chick was at a New Years party I attended, and she seemed to be getting along very well with my business partner, confirming my theory that she couldn't possibly be a lesbo. At the NYE party I also thought I heard her say something about having been married in the past, which I later confirmed. So now I know that she likes men too.

I would have liked to have had a shot with her myself, but I'm thinking, hey, if she likes my biz partner and he can make it happen more power to him.

So today we all go to brunch.

Hot lesbian gets there late, and when she arrives I get out of the booth to let her in the middle "so its boy girl boy girl" (in reality I was making sure that he was able to chat her up).

The funny thing is, I wasn't seeing that same "vibe" between the two of them. The even FUNNIER thing is that I'm starting to feel it being directed at ME.

Are you with me so far? Good.

Alright, so we leave brunch and head over to the farmers market. Still getting the vibe from her, and I start talking to her about a project that I am working on. She immediately perks up saying that she wants to learn more about it, and tells me that I should get her phone number or email address so I can tell her more about it. You know how chicks do this sort of thing because they like you but won't be the one doing the asking? Well that's exactly what this seemed like.

After the market we all went to a sports bar for awhile. Hot lesbian goes to leave and I ask her if she has anything to write down her number and email. She asks for my cell number, so I give it to her and she calls it and tells me that she will text me her email address later.

So I now have her digits, and all signs point to the fact that she wants me to give her a call.

Only problem is, I know my business partner likes her. I think what might have happened was that he lost his window of opportunity. You know how chicks are....you only have so long to act before they shut you out. I think that's what might have happened.

He really has no "claim" over her, and I actually expressed my interest in her before he did, but I don't want to step on any toes.

I think what I am going to do is call her up and see if she wants to meet me for a drink and see where it goes.

What do you think?

 

[STR8UP]

There wouldn't be any repercussions regardless. He's pretty clued up about women and knows there really aren't any special snowflakes out there.

I really don't even know why I'm hesitating. Actually I do....it's only because at some point there would be an awkward moment.

Man this chick's ASS in those tight jeans today......LUSCIOUS! I'm gonna do it. No hesitating from me.

 

[Mr. Me]

Ever occur to you that the bi girl who told you that this chick was a lesbian was maybe just saying that to c@ckblock you? Maybe your alleged "lesbian chick" is bi.

Anyhow, even if this gal was seemingly buzzing with your business partner, it doesn't mean a thing. Maybe she was just buzzing. If he didn't step up and go for it, he had his chance. Maybe he's not really interested.

Like you said, you'll go for it, and then you'll see what happens.

 

[STR8UP]

Ever occur to you that the bi girl who told you that this chick was a lesbian was maybe just saying that to c@ckblock you?

The thought crossed my mind, but this is the chick that absolutely loves me and tries to hook me up with all of her friends. She the best wing I've ever had....

Anyhow, even if this gal was seemingly buzzing with your business partner, it doesn't mean a thing. Maybe she was just buzzing. If he didn't step up and go for it, he had his chance. Maybe he's not really interested.

Other people noticed it too.

I'm pretty good at reading stuff like this as well.

I really think he just lost his shot. Despite her looks she seems to be a little lonely based upon some of the comments she has made. I think she's looking to make a connection with someone.

Women are funny like that. It's like an ego protection mechanism that turns off their attraction at some point if the guy she likes doesn't step up to the plate so she doesn't feel "rejected". We all know that women are absolutely mortified of rejection, so it would make sense that they will only put themselves out there so far before the switch is flipped and the window is closed. Kind of like when a woman breaks up with you. She has a coping mechanism that turns you into the devil in her mind. One day she adores you, the next she is disgusted by your presence.

 

[decades]

I think you stumbled on yet another Unavailable woman, this time an admitted Lesbian!

 

[Señor Fingers]

If there is one thing I learned in my prime it was that you should take the "lesbian" label with massive heaps of salt. Most "lesbians" I have encountered are usually bisexual, or had a hard time putting me in that "man/dog" category. I'm not ashamed of my feminine side and that definitely threw a lot of them off.

I think the single best thing you can do to game these "ungameables" is to really associate with them on their level:

I used to tell them that I was also a lesbian, trapped in a man's body . Usually this would get followed up by a discussion on aesthetics of female anatomy and how it is far more visually stimulating - discussing favorite body parts and things that make you crazy about women.

By this point they are starting to get warmed up, the way a woman likes (gradually) and you start talking about how much you enjoy pleasuring women, and how good you are at it. If they are open and the convo is relaxed you can drop some sexual techniques and maybe squeeze her for a few (what do she get off on / how does she get girls off)

Throughout the interaction, a little push/pull goes a long way too - and this particular situation makes that really easy - for example:

It's a good thing that you are not into men, otherwise we would probably end up back at my house doing really crazy stuff to each other, falling in love from the intensity of it all - ugh that's the last thing I need!

Light, playful, no strings attached is the vibe you want to aim for. No judgements or labels, just two people connecting on the things that give them pleasure. You'd be surprised how many "lesbians" switch teams for a night under such circumstances!

Have fun with it!

 

[DJDamage]

I would have a convo with the business partner first, just to see how he feels about her. If there is even an indication of a mild attraction there, I wouldn't go for it.

Too many women have ruined friendships or business deals among men just because they got in the middle of it. Your business partner may be cool now but jealousy tends to bring out the worst in people.

I rather place more value on protecting my business above some pretend lesbian who is using her sexuality to spin her web of lies and deceit.

 

[STR8UP]

she could have had an eye on you from the start, girls sometimes try to make their target jealous by chatting with their friends in hoping it will arouse more interest. but instead you tried to help your partner out and she may have seen that it wasn't working so she tried direct approach instead of indirect.

That's an interesting take. Not the sense that I got from the interaction, but interesting nonetheless.

I was dancing with her at the NYE party.

Did I mention she has the hottest ass on the planet?

If there is one thing I learned in my prime it was that you should take the "lesbian" label with massive heaps of salt.

It actually didn't come from her mouth. It came from what I thought was a trusted source. Now I have to question that The only indication that she personally gave that she was a lesbo is a comment she made about how she didn't like a certain comment someone made about something or other because it implied that gay people couldn't be happy.

I'm not a stranger to TRUE bisexual women. I lived with one for a year, and I know quite a few of them now actually.

I just get the feeling that this one especially is a lot more "bi" than lesbian. You can just tell how a woman interacts with you that there is smoe sort of chemistry, and I felt it from day 1.

And to be honest with you, I know that all lesbians aren't butch, but any true 100% lesbian I have met has had more masculine qualities than i care for. Even the bi chick I lived with was too masculine in some ways for my taste.

But this one....I think she's the girliest girl I have met in years. And that's what really turns me on about her. Even most hetero women aren't feminine enough for me. I mean, it's a REAL problem for me to find a chick who carries herself like a woman should.

I used to tell them that I was also a lesbian, trapped in a man's body . Usually this would get followed up by a discussion on aesthetics of female anatomy and how it is far more visually stimulating - discussing favorite body parts and things that make you crazy about women.

By this point they are starting to get warmed up, the way a woman likes (gradually) and you start talking about how much you enjoy pleasuring women, and how good you are at it. If they are open and the convo is relaxed you can drop some sexual techniques and maybe squeeze her for a few (what do she get off on / how does she get girls off)

Throughout the interaction, a little push/pull goes a long way too - and this particular situation makes that really easy - for example:

It's a good thing that you are not into men, otherwise we would probably end up back at my house doing really crazy stuff to each other, falling in love from the intensity of it all - ugh that's the last thing I need!

Light, playful, no strings attached is the vibe you want to aim for. No judgements or labels, just two people connecting on the things that give them pleasure. You'd be surprised how many "lesbians" switch teams for a night under such circumstances!

Have fun with it!

I think I just might have to use this technique.

I think I have established enough comfort and rapport (and I think there's definitely sexual attraction) that once I get her alone it shouldn't be hard to transition the convo to sex.

And the thing is, if there is one thing I am good at in life it's blowing a chick's mind in the sack. I'm also pretty good at articulating my techniques in conversation

The only thing I am on the fence about is how to bring up her "orientation". Like I said....it didn't come from her mouth, so it isn't like I can use that as a reference point.

From that point though it's in the bag. I've found that it's fun to engage women in conversations about sex with other women. I can get about 90% of them (even the so called straight ones) to fess up to at least having a curiosity toward other women, if not even a confession of a sexual experience or two with another chick.

I would have a convo with the business partner first, just to see how he feels about her. If there is even an indication of a mild attraction there, I wouldn't go for it.

Too many women have ruined friendships or business deals among men just because they got in the middle of it. Your business partner may be cool now but jealousy tends to bring out the worst in people.

I rather place more value on protecting my business above some pretend lesbian who is using her sexuality to spin her web of lies and deceit.

Actually, I have known him for 22 years. Long enough to know that there wouldn't be a fallout. He's got plates anyway. I wouldn't consider this if I thought there would be negative repercussions.

Mater of fact I just casually slipped it into the convo with him this morning that Hot Lesbo was interested in my new project. No biggie, I assure you.

 

[Mr. Me]

The thought crossed my mind, but this is the chick that absolutely loves me and tries to hook me up with all of her friends.

Yeah, the ones she doesn't want for herself, namely, "lesbian chick".

Str8up, here's a suggestion: Never listen to nor talk about your love interests with others in the same circles. That goes for discussing it with your wing-woman and your biz partner. When you do, you may be unknowingly subjected to their biases, their motives, their agenda, their desires, which they put forth to you in the manner of being your friend and having your interests at heart.

So the friend or partner who says to you, "Her? Oh no, you don't want to go out with her! Trust me. I heard she's got STDs [or whatever]" may just be someone who didn't score with her and damn it if you do, or someone who has his or her eye on that girl themselves and is trying to discourage you from pursuing, or someone who wants you for themselves, or who knows what.

Just approach the chick and ask her for her phone number. Her answer should give you the best indication of them all.

 

[cordoncordon]

Now you’re with a lesbo……………..I’ve changed my mind, I think you should stick with giving financial advice……………..The story never ends, just like the Energizer Bunny,………. keeps going, going, going, going and going.

Str8up, ya know I like you. I do. But damn. If I had a dollar for every post you started that went like, "i was out with this group, and this one chick? I think she really really really likes me, I mean I could JUST TELL." Then you talk about her for a month, you never F her, and it turns out she never liked you in the first place, which leads you to your other type of post that you lay out here once a month or so...the I HATE WOMEN THEY ARE ALL *****S post.

Seriously dude, what is up with this????????

 

[Bible_Belt]

Unless she looks like a lumberjack, she's bi, not lesbian.

And you should tell your buddy, "hey I am going to bang that lesbian that you like." Then he should laugh and wish you good luck. Just be open about what you are up to. It is the feeling of being deceived that would most deteriorate your relationship.

 

[Luminescence]

Sorry double post

 

[Luminescence]

Women are funny like that. It's like an ego protection mechanism that turns off their attraction at some point if the guy she likes doesn't step up to the plate so she doesn't feel "rejected".

Considering how much sh!t women put men through in the mating game, it's almost incredible how cowardly they actually are. Not only will they avoid going out on a limb at all cost but they consider it a rejection when the man doesn't take that risk?

I know it's just nature but thinking about this always arouses a bit of annoyance in me.

 

[ketostix]

Considering how much sh!t women put men through in the mating game, it's almost incredible how cowardly they actually are. Not only will they avoid going out on a limb at all cost but they consider it a rejection when the man doesn't take that risk?

I know it's just nature but thinking about this always arouses a bit of annoyance in me.

And what makes it even more annoying is women make it out that they are the ones being put through so much sh!t in the mating game, and by and large most men believe it. And to top it all off despite keeping all the advantages in the mating game, women are always complaining there needs to be more "equality" for them.

 

[STR8UP]

Str8up, ya know I like you. I do. But damn. If I had a dollar for every post you started that went like, "i was out with this group, and this one chick? I think she really really really likes me, I mean I could JUST TELL." Then you talk about her for a month, you never F her, and it turns out she never liked you in the first place, which leads you to your other type of post that you lay out here once a month or so...the I HATE WOMEN THEY ARE ALL *****S post.

Seriously dude, what is up with this????????

I went through a rough patch in my life and as such dealt with more than my fair share of flakes and less than desirable women, but things are changing. But just to clarify a couple of things-

1) I never, ever, EVER said that I hate women. I know a ton of them. I get along great with them. And they all respect me as a Man, and not an orbiter chump. Don't confuse my analysis of women's actions with hatred. It is acknowledgment and ACCEPTANCE. We all live in the same world and have to cross paths with some of the same types of women.

And one thing I have noticed is that it's always you guys who are in relationships who are the quickest to criticize "negative" analysis. Can anyone say, "ego investment protection"? (Not talking about you Rollo, you know better)

2) The women which you speak of....Some of them I have sexed, some I have gotten halfway around the bases with, and a couple of them might have been dates that went nowhere. But to say that "they never liked you in the first place" is incorrect. Just because a chick doesn't put out on the first or second date and it falls flat after that, doesn't mean there was no interest. I'm not stupid, and I am pretty good about reading women. And generally, if she's making out with you or jerking your d!ck or you're fingering her wet pu$$y it means she is SOMEWHAT interested, even if it doesn't go all the way.

Will this one go anywhere? Who knows. Maybe she won't even pick up the phone. That's women for you. One "wrong" move on a man's part or they have a bad day or something shiny distracts them for ten seconds and they are on to the next guy. That's just how it is. Hopefully I get somewhere. She's a cool chick that I could see myself spending some time with, and i don't say that about too many women

Seriously man, you come on every post and say the same thing. Stop clicking on them if you don't like reading them.

Considering how much sh!t women put men through in the mating game, it's almost incredible how cowardly they actually are. Not only will they avoid going out on a limb at all cost but they consider it a rejection when the man doesn't take that risk?

I know it's just nature but thinking about this always arouses a bit of annoyance in me.

Yea, most women are deathly afraid of rejection. 10x that of men. And this goes especially so for the more feminine and desirable ones. They MIGHT "risk" moving over to stand close to you in a club or even give you a look she's feeling REALLY brave, but as a general rule they won't put themselves in that path. And then when they do throw out subtle hints that either you don't pick up on, don't act upon quickly enough, or don't care enough about to pay any attention to, their attraction goes down the sh!tter. Such is the fickle attraction mechanism of women....

 

[Luminescence]

Yea, most women are deathly afraid of rejection. 10x that of men. And this goes especially so for the more feminine and desirable ones. They MIGHT "risk" moving over to stand close to you in a club or even give you a look she's feeling REALLY brave, but as a general rule they won't put themselves in that path. And then when they do throw out subtle hints that either you don't pick up on, don't act upon quickly enough, or don't care enough about to pay any attention to, their attraction goes down the sh!tter. Such is the fickle attraction mechanism of women....

I would say that men generally start off fearing rejection just as much as women, I wouldn't be surprised if men initially felt greater pain over rejection too, because our confidence plays a large part in our success with women and rejection shoots holes in it. I think the real difference is that we overcome our fear out of necessity and women really have no need to.

I would also say that women are hardwired with an entitlement mentality and expect and take much more than they can (or are willing) give in return. Men are also this way but it seems far less pronounced, as our psyche is more wired for role of provider rather than ''manipulative dependant.''