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interesting findings on soy protien
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RBB
Senior Don Juan
I'm on the whey anywhey. Cos someone said it was whey better.
So wooooh!! All the whey!!
pun purely intended.
So wooooh!! All the whey!!
pun purely intended.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
"this report is available in the members-only area"
RBB
Senior Don Juan
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So which part is the "interesting findings" part? Post it up!
quoted)
Soy lowers your testosterone levels
Researchers at the Department of Medicine, University Hospital Wales have found that soy supplements significantly reduce serum testosterone in men [8]. We know that testosterone plays an important role in supporting muscle growth. But few people realise that testosterone plays a key role in almost everything. Testosterone builds emotional well-being and self-confidence. It affects how fat, fit or strong you are. Because the human brain is filled with testosterone receptors (the parts of the brain that respond to testosterone), your mood is affected if testosterone levels drop too low.
The bottom line
The review of the very latest scientific data on soy protein supplements highlights a number of important issues. When considering the additional requirements for branched chain amino acids, leucine and minerals when training, it is clear that soya protein is not as applicable to meeting these needs as dairy proteins. Furthermore, the undesired hormonal changes that arise from taking soy supplements make muscle-building more difficult. With so much scientific evidence to show that soy is not the ideal protein source for the sportsman, why has soy found its way into so many sports nutrition and muscle building products? The simple answer is profit and mass-market requirements. Soy is much cheaper than quality whey protein or even casein and helps produce foods that can be labelled high in protein.
The problem is that sports nutrition brands that used to care about making high-quality products, have quietly amended their formulas to include soya, or in several cases, completely replaced the whey in the products with soya. These companies then dig an even deeper credibility hole for themselves by producing some outdated ‘protein quality’ table that shows that soy protein is top of the list of bioavailable proteins, far better than whey! The truth is they don’t care about your gym results as much as their profits. But as someone who has spent nearly 15 years in the game, there’s another reason to all of this - mass market requirements. As sports nutrition becomes more mainstream there is pressure from the retailers to make the bars more ‘confectionary-like’ in taste and texture. This is very hard when using only premium-grade whey. But by using soya protein you can increase the protein content to good 'headline figures' and still make the bar tasty and edible.
It’s the same with ready-to-make drinks (RTD’s). Years ago, no respectable sports nutrition brand would ever have launched a soya protein drink, as they would have been laughed out of the gym. Every knowledgeable bodybuilder knows that dairy (if you can tolerate it) or whey protein is king for building muscle. The problem with 100% whey RTD’s is that current technology makes them very difficult to make and their shelf life is very poor (often only a few months) unless you use tons of preservatives. This is the reason US whey-only RTD’s taste so bitter. Soya is also used as it allows a high protein content that is nearly impossible to achieve with whey-only bars.
As the founder of Maximuscle, I have watched our competitors secretly change their ‘whey only’ RTD’s so they now contain soya, without telling the consumer, or creeping in evermore soya protein to their bars. These are the same companies that vowed never to touch soya protein in the early days. As the founder of Maximuscle, my job is to ensure that only the finest products reach the market. Giving customers the results they are after is what motivates me and allows the brand to grow. For this reason NO Maximuscle products contain soy protein. With my contacts, I could have produce a soya protein Promax powder within a month, but I haven’t. It would have produced higher protein figures on the label and lowered our cost price, but we didn’t, what does that tell you….soy doesn’t work anything like whey for building muscle and anyone that tells you otherwise is a scam merchant.
Before you spend your hard earned money on ‘estrogen raising, testosterone lowering’ protein powders, weight gainers, protein bars, meal replacements and RTD’s (ready made drinks) check out the ingredients list. You will amazed at how many of the well-known brands are replacing whey with soya in their formulas to boost their profits and reduce your gym results
Soy lowers your testosterone levels
Researchers at the Department of Medicine, University Hospital Wales have found that soy supplements significantly reduce serum testosterone in men [8]. We know that testosterone plays an important role in supporting muscle growth. But few people realise that testosterone plays a key role in almost everything. Testosterone builds emotional well-being and self-confidence. It affects how fat, fit or strong you are. Because the human brain is filled with testosterone receptors (the parts of the brain that respond to testosterone), your mood is affected if testosterone levels drop too low.
The bottom line
The review of the very latest scientific data on soy protein supplements highlights a number of important issues. When considering the additional requirements for branched chain amino acids, leucine and minerals when training, it is clear that soya protein is not as applicable to meeting these needs as dairy proteins. Furthermore, the undesired hormonal changes that arise from taking soy supplements make muscle-building more difficult. With so much scientific evidence to show that soy is not the ideal protein source for the sportsman, why has soy found its way into so many sports nutrition and muscle building products? The simple answer is profit and mass-market requirements. Soy is much cheaper than quality whey protein or even casein and helps produce foods that can be labelled high in protein.
The problem is that sports nutrition brands that used to care about making high-quality products, have quietly amended their formulas to include soya, or in several cases, completely replaced the whey in the products with soya. These companies then dig an even deeper credibility hole for themselves by producing some outdated ‘protein quality’ table that shows that soy protein is top of the list of bioavailable proteins, far better than whey! The truth is they don’t care about your gym results as much as their profits. But as someone who has spent nearly 15 years in the game, there’s another reason to all of this - mass market requirements. As sports nutrition becomes more mainstream there is pressure from the retailers to make the bars more ‘confectionary-like’ in taste and texture. This is very hard when using only premium-grade whey. But by using soya protein you can increase the protein content to good 'headline figures' and still make the bar tasty and edible.
It’s the same with ready-to-make drinks (RTD’s). Years ago, no respectable sports nutrition brand would ever have launched a soya protein drink, as they would have been laughed out of the gym. Every knowledgeable bodybuilder knows that dairy (if you can tolerate it) or whey protein is king for building muscle. The problem with 100% whey RTD’s is that current technology makes them very difficult to make and their shelf life is very poor (often only a few months) unless you use tons of preservatives. This is the reason US whey-only RTD’s taste so bitter. Soya is also used as it allows a high protein content that is nearly impossible to achieve with whey-only bars.
As the founder of Maximuscle, I have watched our competitors secretly change their ‘whey only’ RTD’s so they now contain soya, without telling the consumer, or creeping in evermore soya protein to their bars. These are the same companies that vowed never to touch soya protein in the early days. As the founder of Maximuscle, my job is to ensure that only the finest products reach the market. Giving customers the results they are after is what motivates me and allows the brand to grow. For this reason NO Maximuscle products contain soy protein. With my contacts, I could have produce a soya protein Promax powder within a month, but I haven’t. It would have produced higher protein figures on the label and lowered our cost price, but we didn’t, what does that tell you….soy doesn’t work anything like whey for building muscle and anyone that tells you otherwise is a scam merchant.
Before you spend your hard earned money on ‘estrogen raising, testosterone lowering’ protein powders, weight gainers, protein bars, meal replacements and RTD’s (ready made drinks) check out the ingredients list. You will amazed at how many of the well-known brands are replacing whey with soya in their formulas to boost their profits and reduce your gym results
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wow...the things u learn around here
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
I think I have too much testosterone. Everybody seems to want more, but there is an ugly side to testosterone - people with too much of it tend to have very bad tempers and fits of violent rage, like 'roid rage. Maybe that is why I eat veggie/soy burgers now.
I was a vegetarian for 10 years, and until recently I was fine with it. I started taking weight training more seriously a few months ago, and upped my soy intake to get more protein (along with egg and dairy). I've always been big, but I wanted to build up properly.
I'll just say that after the rollercoaster ride that has been the last few months of my life, I am firmly back into eating meat, and taking whey.
I'll just say that after the rollercoaster ride that has been the last few months of my life, I am firmly back into eating meat, and taking whey.
It sounds crazy, but I felt effeminate. It was an emotional ride.
The worst aspect was that I wasn't interested in sex. Didn't want it, didn't take pleasure in it. Occasionally I would get into these situations where I would be so much of a pvssy that the girl would end up getting dressed and leaving. I even said "no" a few times.
I became very random in my general behavior. I would go from hyperactive states, to crushing lows, just wanting to hide in the corner, sulking about something meaningless. I worried too much about things that were out of my control, became depressed and confused at the drop of a dime, and started feeling paranoid in public. "Why is everyone staring at me? Do I look fat in this shirt?". Yeah, that kinda thing.
My edge in conversations was lost. I couldn't maintain a train of through about simple things. I always worried that I would say something wrong, or I would freeze up like a deer in headlights without anything to say. So, I became a gossip. That really won a lot of people over.
Other than that, I was constantly lethargic, skipping workouts so I could sit around trying to figure out why some random broad said the things she did to me. I really don't want to go on, you should get the point.
The thing is, in the 10 years prior to this, where I would eat a soy burger maybe two or three times a week (and that was my total processed soy intake), I wasn't anything like this. Always outspoken, itching for confrontation, commanding attention, never ashamed or scared of anything. I wasn't the little dandylion that I became over the last few months.
It's possible that all the extra isoflavones I was taking in were wreaking havoc with my thyroid gland, making me feel this way. I'm not an expert.
The worst aspect was that I wasn't interested in sex. Didn't want it, didn't take pleasure in it. Occasionally I would get into these situations where I would be so much of a pvssy that the girl would end up getting dressed and leaving. I even said "no" a few times.
I became very random in my general behavior. I would go from hyperactive states, to crushing lows, just wanting to hide in the corner, sulking about something meaningless. I worried too much about things that were out of my control, became depressed and confused at the drop of a dime, and started feeling paranoid in public. "Why is everyone staring at me? Do I look fat in this shirt?". Yeah, that kinda thing.
My edge in conversations was lost. I couldn't maintain a train of through about simple things. I always worried that I would say something wrong, or I would freeze up like a deer in headlights without anything to say. So, I became a gossip. That really won a lot of people over.
Other than that, I was constantly lethargic, skipping workouts so I could sit around trying to figure out why some random broad said the things she did to me. I really don't want to go on, you should get the point.
The thing is, in the 10 years prior to this, where I would eat a soy burger maybe two or three times a week (and that was my total processed soy intake), I wasn't anything like this. Always outspoken, itching for confrontation, commanding attention, never ashamed or scared of anything. I wasn't the little dandylion that I became over the last few months.
It's possible that all the extra isoflavones I was taking in were wreaking havoc with my thyroid gland, making me feel this way. I'm not an expert.
DonJuanMonk
Master Don Juan
Why do people keep bringing up the Soy vs Whey debate? Bodybuilders from around the world for many many decades have been using the same recipes and techniques to get whatever to their size and anyone who tries to change it or bring doubt are almost wrong most of the time, like that gay tj guy (who gives poor advice in don juan forums.)
Before designer protein, bodybuilders used to drink loads of milk and raw eggs. They'd eat meat. Today we're doing the same things, but instead of quarts of milk, we're doing whey.
In conclusion:
Women : Soy Protein is good for you. Whey is good but probably not as useful.
Men: Whey Protein is good for you! Soy has no use.
Before designer protein, bodybuilders used to drink loads of milk and raw eggs. They'd eat meat. Today we're doing the same things, but instead of quarts of milk, we're doing whey.
In conclusion:
Women : Soy Protein is good for you. Whey is good but probably not as useful.
Men: Whey Protein is good for you! Soy has no use.
brucevangeorge
Banned
See? Being a vegetarian sucks!!