Interesting article about the marriage strike

[MatureDJ]

http://www.cooltools4men.com/MarriageJustSayNo.htm

(update) also:

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/2008/02/ask_dr_helen_8.php

For men, if you're not going to be sexually satisfied, there's no reason to be in a relationship. If you don't want kids, there's no reason to get married.

Perfect philosophy!

 

[joekerr31]

the irony of marriage today is that as long as you marry a woman who makes the same amount of money that you do, a divorce won't set you back too much (everything gets split 50/50).

where you get f*cked is when you marry a woman who makes a lot less than you. or who gives up her career (resulting in you having to pay huge support payments when you divorce).

men getting divorced today though should in theory have it easier than men 30 years ago (who had wives who made nothing).

so i dont think finances are the driver behind a lower marriage rate. i think a lot of it has to do with women who just aren't marriage material. women are educated and make a good buck - but the flip side to that is that they have very little desire to compromise to make a marriage work.

from MANY of the women that i've seen, they actually view men as sperm donors. their GOAL is to have babies. so they pick a guy, romance him, get married, have some kids, and then 5 years later say 'i've gotten everything i need, why am i still in this marriage?"

on the flip side, more nad more men are seeing this happen to their buddies and are super gun shy about marriage. life is tough enough without putting your trust in someone who is actually just using you to meet her life objective of reproducing.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

For men, if you're not going to be sexually satisfied, there's no reason to be in a relationship. If you don't want kids, there's no reason to get married.

Here here about the sex but the jury is still out on the one about kids. It may be true if you're a woman but I always keep in the back of my head Gene Simmons and Shannon Tweed. It seems like their entire family has their act together and they're not married. I know their situation is an anomaly but it proves that it is possible to have a healthy family without marriage.

 

[Maxtro]

the irony of marriage today is that as long as you marry a woman who makes the same amount of money that you do, a divorce won't set you back too much (everything gets split 50/50).

where you get f*cked is when you marry a woman who makes a lot less than you. or who gives up her career (resulting in you having to pay huge support payments when you divorce).

What happens if it's the man that "looses" his job before the divorce? Would the woman have to pay support payments to him?

 

[Luthor Rex]

Human beings are creatures of habit. We learn and get better at things by doing them over and over, like in sports or martial arts.

Take the typical American woman: what does she do throughout her 20's? She gets into and out of relationships with men over and over. Somehow a lot of people think that this will one day lead to her being 'ready' to be in a LTR. But that's just stupid, the only thing that getting into and out of relationships prepares you for is... well... getting into and out of relationships.

Yes I realize the picture is more complicated than that, but I do need to leave for work soon, lol. What I'm getting at is this: women aren't learning the character traits that anyone needs to stay in a happy long term relationship.

As the fallen LMS would say: "they are learning to be hors, not wives!"

 

[mrRuckus]

I always see the part where we blame women for giving out sex so easily so why should a man marry.

We're stuck in a perpetual cycle at this point. How is a woman to keep a man if she won't give it up if every other woman is giving it up? You'd have to have quite the organization to get every woman to stop having sex at once.

If I had it my way, I'd get every guy to stop getting married at once. Just try to explain to women that you don't want to get married and here's why. Yeah that goes over real well when they see every other guy getting married. They assume you are the broken one. I can't even get men to understand most of the time. I don't know how people can be so damn blind.

I have an old friend who just bought a ring for a girl he's been dating about 6 months. He's doing the whole deal of asking permission from the dad even. This is the only girlfriend I've ever known him to have. He doesn't even live in the same city as her. Most his other friends that i'm also friends with are against him getting married, but won't say anything to him. I'm the lone voice in the crowd preaching rationality so I'm summarily ignored. These friends don't think it's their place. I'd want my friends to rise up and tell me i'm being an idiot if i'm being an idiot.

 

[Luthor Rex]

The problem isn't women being promiscuous or "Girls Gone Wild" or women using men -- those are the symptoms of the problem.

The deeper problem is that women aren't growing up, they don't "develop their souls" so to speak. A person with a conscious could never treat someone the way a lot of American women treat men.

Promiscuity and partying your teens and 20's away does not develop your soul. At best you stagnate, at worst you slide back-wards.

There is a Natural Aristocracy among men, talent and virtue are its measure. The higer in the aristocracy you are, the close to self-actualization you are and the happier you are. But it takes WORK, and that's something most men don't want to do... let alone the females...

 

[bigjohnson]

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Take the typical American woman: what does she do throughout her 20's? She gets into and out of relationships with men over and over. Somehow a lot of people think that this will one day lead to her being 'ready' to be in a LTR. But that's just stupid, the only thing that getting into and out of relationships prepares you for is... well... getting into and out of relationships.


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Yes! Western women essentially ruin themselves for marriage on an almost routine basis.

 

[seasonedplayer]

the main issue is the consequence of women being able to take 50%+. During the marriage, the man does EVERYTHING BECAUSE WOMEN HAVE THE POWER. Problem is there are many AFCs that just accept this is the way it is

 

[ketostix]

Joekerr I agree with about everything you posted here with the exception of this part:

men getting divorced today though should in theory have it easier than men 30 years ago (who had wives who made nothing).

My understanding is women didn't pursue divorces as much in the past, because one party had to show fault and you didn't automatically get half just because you're a woman plus child support. Nowadays, even though the woman is at fault and the man isn't the one even seeking the divorce a woman can get a divorce to make a grab at the cash and take the kids and run. I think it's easier for an older woman with kids to find another man than it sue to be.

Now, in the past if the man was wanting a divorce because he found a newer shinier model and the woman could show fault, she'd probably get alimony. I'm thinking they raised the minimum or percentage of "alimony" and child support to women now. So I don't think men are better of in a divorce than say 30 odd years ago.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Interesting article, well written. I find it ironic that it's hard to argue against anything written here, yet if you started talking about this in public, you'd "shock the masses". You'd be viewed as some misogynist damaged person.

I just found out over the weekend another relative of mine is getting divorced. Now, it seems I know more people who are divorced, than successfully married.

I do think though that more and more people are secretly tuned into the "real deal" about marriage, how risky it is. People just aren't openly talking about it yet. The good side is that there is less pressure on us single guys for not being married. We aren't viewed as players in a bad way, or unsuccessful.

My question is, at the rate we're going, what will marriage (in general) be like in 10, 20, or 30 years from now?

 

[Magma]

Men are becoming wise the women's ruse. The jig is up. Women have constructed this house of cards and men just aren't interested anymore, with some men going so far as to propose a marriage/impregnation strike (to strike women at their two core "wants/needs": marriage and children).

My question is, at the rate we're going, what will marriage (in general) be like in 10, 20, or 30 years from now?

It's a scary thought. The implications may be more far-reaching at the macro level than we wish to recognize.

 

[mrRuckus]

On a local message board with people who live in my area, I had a nice argument with married women over whether this one woman should kick the husband out of bed because he declared that he'd no longer let the cats sleep in bed with them.

They were actually saying she should make him sleep on the couch because the cats were around before he was. I was surprised it was actually a question to be asked.

"Love me, love my animals" - 40 yo hag

Boy i can't wait to get married.