interesting article about evolutionary biology

[MatureDJ]

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com...ng-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

Bottom line: men throughout history have been "pump & dump jerks".

 

[zekko]

The interesting part of that article to me was when it pointed out that men were actually more social than women when it came to forming large casual/shallow groups. Such as football teams, construction firms, lodges, etc. Women tend to form more close knit relationships. Guys will form more large bands of acquaintences to perform a specific task.

I suppose that sounds obvious in retrospect, but I've never heard males described as more social than females in any way, shape, or form before.

 

[Radharc]

I suppose men are every bit as social as women, we just focus on different things and do it in different ways, we dont go around randomly flapping our mouth about sh1t nobody really cares except women. It´s a bit like in pop culture tv shows and movies, how they differentiate female bonding and male bonding.
We just care about more important no non sense stuff and focus on getting things actually done, from an evolutionary and even cultural perspective, men developed more of a functional thinking: hunting, building stuff, fighting - a focus on task efficiency. While women spent their days at home doing stuff together, chatting, meddling in each others business and focusing on "feelings". And that became the standard for "social".

 

[DanelMadr]

In my opinion, women form much "stronger" realtionships and for more "selfish" reasons. They socialize/make friends because they need an insurance in case of emergency. Meanwhile men socialize to make things done not for them but for the whole group.
Both ways have their reasons. Women needed lot of girlfriends in case her man was eaten by a bear, to take care of her and her child. Women were together around the cave all day. Meanwhile men were out there hunting, where being silent is an advantage.

From my experience women in general make unnecessary bad blood in working places. Always in each others hair, gossiping, conspiring etc. They are biologically forced to bond but the passive aggressive outcome is so not worth it.

If a guy does not like you you can still make the job done. If a woman doesn't like you, you will be happy to find another job with all your hair still not gray.

 

[Radharc]

Meanwhile men were out there hunting, where being silent is an advantage.

Another interesting aspect to it is that activities like hunting, war, building big stuff like houses, machines, etc., are all team efforts, things that need coordination, while most stuff women did at home were stuff they could pretty much do by themselves (cooking, cleaning, taking care of children, etc. - you get the picture). Some theories about the development of language atribute it to the need to coordinate efforts while hunting and fighting other groups

Now, I´m just making this stuff up as go, but that could probably help explain why women tend to be more self centered and less team players than man. The notion of "taking one for the team" is typically associated with male behaviour, and in general the only situation where I can picture females self sacrificing anyhting at all is for their offspring. Which makes sense in evolutionary terms, they were in, a way the last line of defense, the offspring had.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

In my opinion, women form much "stronger" realtionships and for more "selfish" reasons. They socialize/make friends because they need an insurance in case of emergency. Meanwhile men socialize to make things done not for them but for the whole group.
Both ways have their reasons. Women needed lot of girlfriends in case her man was eaten by a bear, to take care of her and her child. Women were together around the cave all day. Meanwhile men were out there hunting, where being silent is an advantage.

From my experience women in general make unnecessary bad blood in working places. Always in each others hair, gossiping, conspiring etc. They are biologically forced to bond but the passive aggressive outcome is so not worth it.

If a guy does not like you you can still make the job done. If a woman doesn't like you, you will be happy to find another job with all your hair still not gray.

Your statement hit it exactly on the nail.

Women are selfish by nature and can only be altruistic to her children and to a lesser extent, blood relatives.

A good male friend will have your back in a fight, even it means endangering his own life. Band of Brothers.

 

[DanelMadr]

When I don't get something in todays "complicated" civilisation, I always ask myself what would hunter/gatherer do? After all our brains were formed by this episode in human history....far longer than any episode after that.

And the skills developed in that period should not be forgotten for various reasons.....end of civilisation (2 days of power shortage), crossing paths with underworld, travelling to 3rd world countries or joining the army.....and of course dating women and managing business.

Trying to get rid of core masculinity and feminity just because we had 50 years of peace and prosperity is short sighted. Will our brains change? Will men turn to harmless more feminine meanwhile women will get more masculine? Western civilisation is doing it now but it hurts because it goes against our internal coding. As we can see here....feminine guys can't find peace of mind and attraction of women. Maybe eventually we will evolve to unisex mediocre species. I believe it will be the end, because chinese and or other azzholes will azzrape us all.

Attributes of good hunter or warrior (strenght, patience, decisiveness, smarts, courage, confidence, drive....) are the attributes you need to be OK with yourself aka no issues, for attracting females and gaining cooperation with other males.

Men and women are not what they are because it was dictated by society, religion etc. but by necessity of survival of human species. Men did not invented the toughness of leaders because they were themselves tough. To be a leader you have to be tough. When you are emotional you get eaten by a sabretooth.

 

[Radharc]

When I don't get something in todays "complicated" civilisation, I always ask myself what would hunter/gatherer do? After all our brains were formed by this episode in human history....far longer than any episode after that.

And the skills developed in that period should not be forgotten for various reasons.....end of civilisation (2 days of power shortage), crossing paths with underworld, travelling to 3rd world countries or joining the army.....and of course dating women and managing business.

Trying to get rid of core masculinity and feminity just because we had 50 years of peace and prosperity is short sighted. Will our brains change? Will men turn to harmless more feminine meanwhile women will get more masculine? Western civilisation is doing it now but it hurts because it goes against our internal coding. As we can see here....feminine guys can't find peace of mind and attraction of women. Maybe eventually we will evolve to unisex mediocre species. I believe it will be the end, because chinese and or other azzholes will azzrape us all.

Attributes of good hunter or warrior (strenght, patience, decisiveness, smarts, courage, confidence, drive....) are the attributes you need to be OK with yourself aka no issues, for attracting females and gaining cooperation with other males.

Men and women are not what they are because it was dictated by society, religion etc. but by necessity of survival of human species. Men did not invented the toughness of leaders because they were themselves tough. To be a leader you have to be tough. When you are emotional you get eaten by a sabretooth.

Maybe you can "talk about your feelings" with a sabertooth.

But props for the great post, I like the way you think.

In general the western civilization is becoming more and more shortsighted, maybe before we were as well, but before things changed very slowly and the basic skills of survival were ever present. Nowadays everyone seems to have their head so far up their as5es - our political leaders included - that they take fads, post-modernist brain-aneurisms-waiting-to-happen, political correctness and this hyper-individualism as hard fact of existence and not some historical fluke caused by a never before seen economic prosperity, that allows us the luxury of taking all that seriously.

 

[DanelMadr]

Maybe you can "talk about your feelings" with a sabertooth.

But props for the great post, I like the way you think.

In general the western civilization is becoming more and more shortsighted, maybe before we were as well, but before things changed very slowly and the basic skills of survival were ever present. Nowadays everyone seems to have their head so far up their as5es - our political leaders included - that they take fads, post-modernist brain-aneurisms-waiting-to-happen, political correctness and this hyper-individualism as hard fact of existence and not some historical fluke caused by a never before seen economic prosperity, that allows us the luxury of taking all that seriously.

Thanks.

What you described is absolutely true. Unfortunatelly this is how things work. When you are secure and well fed you become lazy and fearfull. On the bright side...this state can change within two months. And it was btw the biggest mistake Japs made in WW2. They underestimated those "spoiled" Americans.

People do only what is absolutely necessary at any given moment.
And I think due to lack of external stimuli, people in civilised world do not mature.
The political correctness, affirmative action, gay marriages, struggle for equality between sexes etc... is a product of a spoiled child's mind. Child who thinks of itself as the centre of the universe and whose any dream and wish has to be fulfilled. For example women in the U.S. NAVY. Why are we taking women to the NAVY? Because we make some of them their dream come true. We should ask: Does US NAVY need more women for it better functioning?

Or gay marriages....are we helping them feel better about themselves or do we gain anything of it as society?

Why this bothers me? Because it is a sin to be a homo? No. Because NAVY will have to spend extra money on tampons? No.
It bothers me because there is so much more things which need our attention and money, yet we occupy our mind with this b.s. to fullfill a drems of child's mind. Meanwhile real children around the globe can't even get a decent meal.
And even our children get molested.

Unless something drastic happens this will not change. And I hope nothing drastic will happen because after all it would be only temporary and it would cost us too much. As long as the western society remains free so I don't have to hide my hunter set of skills, I'm OK. Because in dictatorship it is unwise to hold your head high.

 

[jophil28]

Nowadays everyone seems to have their head so far up their as5es - our political leaders included - that they take fads, post-modernist brain-aneurisms-waiting-to-happen, political correctness and this hyper-individualism as hard fact of existence and not some historical fluke caused by a never before seen economic prosperity, that allows us the luxury of taking all that seriously.

Bingo !

Paradoxically, the elite lunar left currently enjoys its popularity precisely because conservative, inventive men had created a wealthy orderly society which allows free expression..

Self indulgence requires abundance provided by others as a precursor.

 

[DanelMadr]

Bingo !

Paradoxically, the elite lunar left currently enjoys its popularity precisely because conservative, inventive men had created a wealthy orderly society which allows free expression..

Self indulgence requires abundance provided by others as a precursor.

You might be interested in this videoT.E.D. Jonathan Haidt on the moral mind...basically it is scientific look on DNA/Brain/Evolutionary causes of liberal/conservative difference among people.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Thanks.

What you described is absolutely true. Unfortunatelly this is how things work. When you are secure and well fed you become lazy and fearfull. On the bright side...this state can change within two months. And it was btw the biggest mistake Japs made in WW2. They underestimated those "spoiled" Americans.

People do only what is absolutely necessary at any given moment.
And I think due to lack of external stimuli, people in civilised world do not mature.
The political correctness, affirmative action, gay marriages, struggle for equality between sexes etc... is a product of a spoiled child's mind. Child who thinks of itself as the centre of the universe and whose any dream and wish has to be fulfilled. For example women in the U.S. NAVY. Why are we taking women to the NAVY? Because we make some of them their dream come true. We should ask: Does US NAVY need more women for it better functioning?

Or gay marriages....are we helping them feel better about themselves or do we gain anything of it as society?

Why this bothers me? Because it is a sin to be a homo? No. Because NAVY will have to spend extra money on tampons? No.
It bothers me because there is so much more things which need our attention and money, yet we occupy our mind with this b.s. to fullfill a drems of child's mind. Meanwhile real children around the globe can't even get a decent meal.
And even our children get molested.

Unless something drastic happens this will not change. And I hope nothing drastic will happen because after all it would be only temporary and it would cost us too much. As long as the western society remains free so I don't have to hide my hunter set of skills, I'm OK. Because in dictatorship it is unwise to hold your head high.

Don't underestimate the "Japs".

They were well aware of the industrial power of the US. FDR forced them to fight when he cut off critical resources to Japan.

In 18 months they would have no more resources to wage war. The Japanese Empire was counting on Germany to inflict massive casualties on the Americans.

Which is exactly what would have happened if Hitler wasn't an idiot and allows his brilliant generals like Rommel do their job.

 

[emilyammy]

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