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I am going out for beers with my friends soon so I need some quick advice.

I texted this girl Sunday to meet me at such and such a place and time today for a drink. She texted back that she had to check her work scheduele but should be good. She never got back to me either way.

Thoughts?
 

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Make your friends go to "such and such" place. If she shows, cool, if not, you were out with your friends anyway and she's nexted. Done. Easy.
 

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What V said.

Also, don't let it stop you from chatting up anyone worthwhile even while waiting. Even if you are talking to a hottie when she shows it only increases your value.
 

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grinder said:
Also, don't let it stop you from chatting up anyone worthwhile even while waiting. Even if you are talking to a hottie when she shows it only increases your value.
BOOM! Droppin' multipliers! :rockon:

DJ that whole scene!
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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yeah i agree thanks guys. i sent her a text telling her i was going to be late but i would could still see her. i figured this was better than directly calling to confirm,standing her up, or flaking on her. she texted me back that she wasnt making it because she had an awful day. she said she would explain later. what she really sent was an anagram for NEXT!
 

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If you talk to her again, don't ask about the awful day, and change the subject if she starts talking about it. If you talk about it, she'll re-live it in her head and associate you with the negativity.
 

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drmeathead said:
...i sent her a text telling her i was going to be late but i would could still see her. ...
:cheer: GIMME AN "A!"

:cheer: GIMME A "F!"

:cheer: GIMME A "C!"

Stop worrying so much about whether or not a chick is going to show up for anything that isn't an official date. Like V-Man said, you're out with friends, having a good time and sarging if you choose to. If she shows up, lucky her. If she doesn't (like this one did because she couldn't confirm right off the bat), no big deal.
 

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i dont think it was AFC. not at all. if i would have went to the other bar and waited for her then yeah for sure. i knew she wasnt coming. i dont believe in standing people up though. i rather send her that text and have say she isnt coming 99 percent of the time (or get no response) than to stand someone up. i think that is as bad as lying and is something i just dont do.

as far as any nexttimes, i already dropped her number. a polite hi and it is nice to see you is all she gets from now on.
 

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Why would you say HI and How are you to someone who did not have the manners and decency to let you know if she was coming or not !
She is a rude self-centered baitch . Let her play her stupid girly games with another AFC.
Press DUMP?DELETE and look right thru her if you run intro her.
 

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drmeathead said:
...as far as any nexttimes, i already dropped her number. a polite hi and it is nice to see you is all she gets from now on.
This is what most women who flake hope that guys will do in this situation, forgive and forget (or at least act like it).
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
This is what most women who flake hope that guys will do in this situation, forgive and forget (or at least act like it).
So... what's he supposed to do the next time he sees her, turn his head away like a whiny little b*tch?

I thought we were supposed to act like you're not worried about what happened.
 

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realsmoothie said:
So... what's he supposed to do the next time he sees her, turn his head away like a whiny little b*tch?

I thought we were supposed to act like you're not worried about what happened.
Whoa everybody. Did i miss an episode?

There is nothing to forgive, nothing to forget, and no one to NEXT.

This is a NON-event and certainly nothing to spend 5 min thinking about.

This is part of the game, if you next every woman that flakes, well, you're gonna spend a lot of time alone. Also, if you let it worry you, you may as well be alone.

That's why you always have a backup plan, backup woman, and the goal is to allow her the pleasure of YOUR company. There is no need to remove yourself from her, you are a great prize and if she wants you, you may allow her some time.

Certainly, under penalty of death, do not contact her. But don't avoid her, don't ignore the fact that there is a 100% likelihood she will contact YOU. When she does, bust on her, make a joke about her flaking, about how she now owes you and you may allow her to pay.

If you see her again, just smile, hell, I would bust out laughing. Nobody likes to play with a spoiled sport.

C'mon, play the game man!
 

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i agree with grinder. i am not going to contact her first nor am i going to be anything but classy. saying hi how are you and moving along isnt overly nice. ignoring her is. why let her know she affected me. asking her what her bad day so bad would be to nice. as her flaking goes, perhaps it was/is part of the game. maybe her boyfriend came over all of sudden, who knows. i dont care. she didnt initially counter offer so i am thinking that this is dead in the water.
 

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realsmoothie said:
So... what's he supposed to do the next time he sees her, turn his head away like a whiny little b*tch?

I thought we were supposed to act like you're not worried about what happened.
Acting not worried does not necessarily mean avoidance. :nono:
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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OK I'm going to take this from a different perspective.

From the getgo you were setup for failure. When she said she would have to check her work schedule, you should have said "bvllsh1t, you can either go or you can't, make a decision." Having to check her work schedule is like saying "I'm doing my hair." it's a bvllsh1t excuse.

If she says she can't, she doesn't care. Move on. If she says OK, then you're in.

You texting her to ask her out looks AFC unless you've already dated this girl before. You should have called, it's much easier to put her on the spot when you call and get a yes/no answer.

I agree with Francisco, you texting her was A F C. You were going out with your friends, she doesn't matter. She's supplementary material. She is not the main attraction. You don't even know if she's coming yet and you're telling her you're gonna be late. BIG MISTAKE.

Anyways - move on. Don't text her, she'll either be back or she won't. Who cares?
 

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Listen, meathead, when you make plans with people you have ANY regard for... be them "concrete official date plans" or "offhand, hey I'll meet you at X for a drink or two tonight", it's common courtesy, respect, and regard for another persons' existance to let them know not to expect you when they can't make it.

You do it with your friends, you do it for your family, you do it with business contacts... why? Because you respect their time, don't want them to worry, whatever, people don't deserve malicious treatment - and this is what this is. She knew she made plans, and she knew that she wasn't going to tell you she wasn't coming. There is no "oops, it slipped my mind". Buy a planner, it's not my problem. Get it? Whatever bullsh!t excuse they come up with to justify malicious behavior is just that: an excuse, a cover, a hustle, a lie.

The point here is, if Cosmo told her to play the flake game, shame on her for not realizing how rude it is. If you think for a minute, their is no "flake" equivalent that DJ's do on women. DJ's don't disrespect people like that. Sure, we may to some potentially "doggish" stuff, but I can say that I wouldn't EVER intentionally flake on someone. Why? How do I know? Because I must've held that person in some regard to want to make plans with them in the first place. I must've wanted to be with them, they must've seemed to be of good quality, and potentially had some benefit to my life... if not, I wouldn't have associated with them.

This is the bottom line: If a woman is socially retarded enough to pull that flake crap, and you entertain it, then you are a spineless chump and open the door for more of the same behavior in the future. Why the fux would you stoop to a level where you allow yourself to be treated like that? To get laid?

Ok, let me settle down and give you the straight dope: You don't call to confirm plans. You made them already. The only calls that should be made after plans are made are the ones saying "I can't make it, can we change the plans?" You sure as FUX don't send a text. (In fact NEVER TEXT! There is no reason to, none. You call, you leave what you were going to say in the text on the voicemail, complete with voice inflections and less misunderstandings.) Furthermore, when a woman flakes, you don't call her: she has low IL. Not only that, but she proved to have such low IL, she doesn't even feel it's necessary to treat you like a human being. When you initiate a contact... see Desdinova's signature... you are rewarding her with your attention despite her poor behavior. :nono: When you don't call, you demonstrate that you don't need her. You demonstrate that, yep, that was a nasty, socially retarded thing to do, and now you're gone: you won't tollerate that sh!t.

If she does call, I'm sorry, WHEN she does call (eventually she will, it's like clockwork), she'll most likely be apologetic. If not, she'll be non-chalant, but somehow manage to "sneak" it into the conversation by feeling you out with "hey, what did you do such and such night? Oh yeah? What about (the night I flaked)?"

There are two popular schools of how to go about interaction after a flake. Depending on the severity, and her overall standing with you prior, you can either blow it off, not bring it up, etc. Or, when she manages to bring it up, lay down the law.

In the first instance, ignoring offence and downplaying importance, it is my opinion that this is the softy approach. It's way too hard to pull this off every time - she'll see right through it if you have the faintest little eye-flicker or skewed body language.

Instead, I drop the hammer and explain flat-out that you were offended, how, and why: "I don't need to hang out with socially retarded people that don't have enough regard to rah-rah-rah...". Essentially breathing fire all over their character, leaving them nice and toasty.

Now, here's where people argue "you show her that she affected you".
Yeah, duh, hello, you had fuxing plans with her?!?!

If you hadn't called her, then bumped into her later, or she called you (i.e. started chasing because you jacked her power), then after reading her the riot act for being retarded, be consistant and attempt to leave the interaction on a "I don't give a fux/I'm going to talk to this chick over here now/I have better quality people to devote my attention to" note. This lays out to a woman: You act like this = I act like gone. Period. You disrespect me = I walk. +++It sets the standard right off the bat that bullsh!t disrespectful games are not an option for the woman.+++

Women will chase you down and virtually go psycho apologizing, crying for a second chance, etc. because not only did you tell her she's a garbage-ass-ho right to her face (she'll want to prove that it's not true!), but you also shown you are a MAN, with a SPINE, assertive, confident... rahblahrahhooha... all that stuff a woman WANTS AND NEEDS AND IS ATTRACTED TO IN A MAN. You want to be counter-productive, Miss? Go be counter-productive somewhere else because I'm productive...

over here...

.... selling tickets.
 

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And, :up: FD'A.

Definitely AFC.

Any text after plans are made reads like this:

"Hi, I'm scared that you won't show up. I really need you, and I'm sitting here worrying. Do me a favor, please, if you show up? Bring a box of tissue for me because I'll be bawling my eyes out with worry until you get here. Oh, save me the torment, please tell me you'll come, please? Thanks for letting me use your cell phone, I hope you aren't regretting it right now. Thanks. Sorry."
 

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Vulpine said:
And, :up: FD'A.

Definitely AFC.

Any text after plans are made reads like this:

"Hi, I'm scared that you won't show up. I really need you, and I'm sitting here worrying. Do me a favor, please, if you show up? Bring a box of tissue for me because I'll be bawling my eyes out with worry until you get here. Oh, save me the torment, please tell me you'll come, please? Thanks for letting me use your cell phone, I hope you aren't regretting it right now. Thanks. Sorry."
EXACTLY!:rockon:
 

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I would say Vulpine and FDA covered it.

That's exactly why I never make "big" plans for a 1st or 2nd date, so when flaking happens, and regardless of how good you think your game was, or your read on their IL, you WILL have chicks flake on you.

Thus, the first few "dates" (relative term) with any chick should be:

a) low key and casual "couldn't care less you could take it or leave it hang out attitude": no flowers, no fancy dinners, no movies, no "big" plans, no pre date texting, calling or AFC pleading / confirming - ideally "hey i'm doing this... and if you wanna join me thats cool"

b) convienent for you - do not go out of your way schedule wise or geographically: a coffee or a bevvie at a place YOU would hang out anyhow, have her show at an event your already attending, etc... ideally things you needed to do anyhow - shopping, dawg walks, a bite, so if she flakes you're out NO time at all

c) never a Friday or Saturday night - because you are ALREADY booked up, right? Even if you're not, you want to indirectly signal your desirability and scarcity to her by NOT being available on a Fri / Sat... Those nights are for 3rd dates only, once she's shown both a high IL and dependability in showing

If you follow this guideline, when they flake, you can just blow it off no sweat and move on.

A side benefit, you DHV by not requesting, desiring or needing a formal "date" with her.
 
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At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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