Inexperienced girl. Am I wasting my time?

Ebeneezer

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Hey all,

Been reading this forum for a while now and thought it would be a good time to get some advice on my current situation. I'm 27, got a couple of relationships under my belt and after a break from the dating scene I'm now starting to look seriously again. I'm more interested in a relationship with some actual romantic attachment, rather than just sleeping with girls and moving on.

I've recently started hanging out with a girl I know from my local running club (although the club has recently disbanded). She's a good looking girl, nice personailty, and an appealing prospect for a partner. She's 22.

She made the initial contact about 2 weeks ago, by emailing and asking if I wanted to go to the gym with her. I accepted, and we seemed to get on well, so a few days later I asked her out to the cinema and for a meal.

This time it felt more like a date. She'd put some effort into looking her best and I got the impression she could be interested. We had a good time, but there was no talk of moving things further. Then a few days later she asked me out again for a meal and a walk round an old, scenic rural village. Great - the ideal place to make a move, I thought to myself. With a bit of luck I could shift things up to the next level.

So we had a meal and then went on an evening stroll around the countryside, and as we walked and talked, I tried to drop a few subtle hints that I was interested in her. Now, maybe they were too subtle because she didn't pick up on a single one of them throughout the evening, which confused me slightly. I didn't want the evening to have been wasted, so I decided to make a more obvious move and put the contract on the table. I hit her with the most romantic line I could think of at the time:

"You know, I've got a confession to make. For the last 30 minutes, I've been desperate to hold your hand"

I half expected her to thrust her hand into mine, and the deal to be signed, sealed and delivered. But the reaction I got was very different. She suddenly went really shy, seemed pretty embarrased, and was kind of lost for words. The few things she did say were:

"What do I say to that?", "I don't know", "I've never done this kind of thing before"...

That kind of shocked me. I only asked to hold hands - it was hardly a marriage proposal. She's 22, has pretty strong social abilities and has a large network of friends. She goes out all the time! How can she be so inexperienced?

The conversation was killed instantly, and I felt quite awkward. But I needed to know where I stood, so I asked how she felt about me. She replied "I don't know. Let's just see what happens".

Later on, when we'd driven back home, she seemed to perk up a bit. I asked if she wanted to do something in a few days and she suggested another walk in the country. I think, even though she had come over as really shy, she was pleased that I'd made the approach and shown some interest in her.

So where do I go from here? Firstly, is it worth persuing this girl, or is this a no-hoper? Should I turn my attention to someone more experienced and less anxious about the prospect of a relationship?

Or should I keep pursuing to see what happens? I'm seeing her again in a few days. How can I try to take this further? If she won't even hold my hand, what chance do I have of moving this up to the next level? She's a great girl and I'm interested, but am I wasting my time?

Your thoughts please...

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Ebeneezer said:
"You know, I've got a confession to make. For the last 30 minutes, I've been desperate to hold your hand"
This is perhaps the single most AFC line I've ever read on this site. Even more so than the, "would it be alright if I kissed you?" horsesh!t. That said, it's just this kind of timid approach that is the kiss of death for guys today.

Put this in your head:
It is better to beg forgiveness than ask permission


ALWAYS be resolute in your actions and take the initiative; this is what a woman expects of you. The sting from a slap in the face is better than the lasting impression that you are too meek to take what you want. NEVER walk on eggshells with a woman EVER.
 

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Spider_007 hit the nail on the head. You don't ask, you go for it. Social conditioning has made men afraid to "take the plunge" by telling them that it's WRONG and OFFENSIVE to let your sexuality speak through your actions. Kino (non-sexual touch) is the best way to warm up to more sexual actions such as holding hands, kissing, and even sex.

I'm 27, got a couple of relationships under my belt and after a break from the dating scene I'm now starting to look seriously again.
The most important thing to remember while looking for an ideal woman to have a LTR with is NOT to settle for the first woman who shows you attention for more than two months. Be VERY fussy when choosing a woman to spend a lengthy amount of time with. She should be the comination of what you want in a woman, and not have the traits that you dislike in women. Clearly figure out on paper what you want in a long term prospect, and then go out looking for her by dating MANY women.

I've recently started hanging out with a girl I know from my local running club (although the club has recently disbanded). She's a good looking girl, nice personailty, and an appealing prospect for a partner. She's 22.
Most women younger than 25 aren't ready to settle. If you're looking for a long term prospect, 25 -28 is a good age range to look in. Women younger than 25 are usually in their "party" stage of life. Women older than 28 will start hearing their biological clock ticking and begin thinking of having children. The more they get past age 30, the more desperate they become to fulfill this desire.

Also, for best results, keep single mommies out of the question.
 

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"You know, I've got a confession to make. For the last 30 minutes, I've been desperate to hold your hand"
This is perhaps the single most AFC line I've ever read on this site
Wow, I've got agree and disagree....

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If you're frame is tight and you're confident and you say that line, it can be romantic. Not in the, "i'm asking for permission because i'm scared you're not going to like it" way, but in the "I'm genuinely interested in you" way...

I'm the 'just do it' type of guy, but I've experimented (back in the day) with these type of lines and found success. One thing tho, u want to have buying temperature and attraction pretty high before going for these, women are naturally turned off from submissive behavior in a prospective partner, but if attraction is high enough it can be a unique way to get her emotionally attached....

Women like the unexpected... if you've been confident and funny and just a charismatic 'go-getter' all night and then all of a sudden break out with....

"I've got to admit, I've been wanting to hold your hand for the last 30 minutes"

WOW WOW WOW !!! She's going nuts in her head, trust me !!! You threw her for a loop, she EXPECTED you to just take her hand, but you gave her the unexpected. WOrk s the other way too, if u've been quiet type and not very confident or outgoing, and you just take her hand.... WOW WOW WOW, she'll love it !!!

There are NEVER black and white issues with women, anything that any of you say can't be done, I've probably done it and had success and if I haven't there is someone somewhere that has. ANYTHING can work for you, that's the nature of the game... its NEVER about what you say, but how you say it and what frame you're coming from...

If you are confident enough you can tell a girl this is your first date in 3 years and you feel that the two of you are perfect for marriage and probably still f*ck her the same night.... she'll find it cute, i've seen worst... there are no rules to this game and anyone who says there are, well i call u a liar.


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If you're frame is tight and you're confident and you say that line, it can be romantic. Not in the, "i'm asking for permission because i'm scared you're not going to like it" way, but in the "I'm genuinely interested in you" way...
The Act tells her your interested in her - thats all you need.

"Can I hold your hand?" - "Can I kiss you" - "Can I fvck you?" - "Can I take your clothes off" - "Can we do it Doggy style?".....

all these are what Mr. Nice guy will say. She may think it's cute that you asked her to hold her hand - but that's all it will be - cute.

On the other hand, the guy that grabs her hand, kisses her without asking, Flips her over to bang her etc is the guy that's getting her panties wet.

Women may say they want romance - but what they really want is a strong dominant male who knows where he's going and what he wants.

This girl is going to see this guy as nice, cute and friendly. She'll probably continue to hang out with him (even if she's doesn't want to bang him) as he wastes precious time and energy trying to figure her out. While the guy who is going to grab her, going to kiss her, will ultimately know then and there whether she's interested or not without having to waste time guessing.

Taking a walk on the beach as the sun set's is romantic - asking if he can hold her hand is stupid.
 

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all these are what Mr. Nice guy will say. She may think it's cute that you asked her to hold her hand - but that's all it will be - cute.
I have to disagree just because my experience has shown otherwise. I personally agree that being aggressive and 'just doing it' is best for me, but there ARE times when asking can generate interest like i described. If you've been aggressive and confident and take charge all night and then show another softer, gentler side... it's not going to hurt you, i mean you can disagree but I've banged plenty of chicks doing just that...

You're trying to say, "can't do this"... "can't do that" like you're an authority on the subject and I don't believe you are ?? A player degree ? I'm just saying open your eyes to the possibility that other things work with females not just the 'lines' and 'tricks' in the DJ Bible lol


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There are exceptions to every rule. I like to play the percentage game - and past history shows that the 'take charge' attitude is boss.

But again, exceptions exist.
 

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^ ^ WE can both agree on that ;)

I just have an issue about people saying "only do this", "only do that" because alot of newGuys turn into *******s, I've seen it myself. I used to run a different community and I saw it first-hand.... You keep saying "u can't be nice" and "never give compliments" and they really believe it and are almost like robots... juss don't want anyone new to get caught up like I did when I first came to these communities.... this wasn't directed at you, I know you prolli know better but juss lookin out for the lurkers


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B... E... Aggressive!
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Some interesting replies here. Thanks for all the input. It seems that most people here believe that taking the direct approach would be best.

However, the point of my line was simply to express my feelings towards her, and not to get her to hold hands - despite what it may have sounded like in my original post. An offer of her hand would have been a big step in the right direction, but it was not the motive behind what I said. The comment was simply designed to make her sit up and take note of the fact that I was interested, as it seemed that all previous verbal hints had fallen on deaf ears. The underlying message was not "can i hold your hand?", but rather, "I'm interested in you in a way that's more than simple friendship".

In this case, I think it was an appropriate thing to have done. Given her reaction through her overall lack of relationship experience, I think forcing her to take my hand would have resulted in even more awkwardness and embarrassment. I agree with Cod3r's view: there is no one-size-fits-all approach to these things.

Returning back to the original point of the message, where do I go from here?Any ideas how I should try to move things forward on the next meeting? Getting some kino in seems wise (incidentally - why is it called "kino"?), but how?

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^ ^ Just remember 1-thing, confidence covers all. If you're comfortable doing whatever the hell your doing, 9/10 you're on the correct path...


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Ebeneezer said:
However, the point of my line was simply to express my feelings towards her, and not to get her to hold hands.
Men who are successful with women NEVER 'express' feelings, they Demonstrate interest. Women 'express' feelings and when you communicate like a woman you will be considered a woman. Never explicate, always demonstrate - default towards action, not negotiation. You communicated like a woman and the result was rejection.

The fact that you'd gotten to the point with this girl where you thought confessing a stupid-simple act of just holding hands was the "most romanitc line" you could conjure only shows that your Kino was nonexistent. You should've been Kino-ing and developing rapport long before you were strolling along the beach in a very cliched and clumsy attempt to 'express' the feelings she obviously figured you were going to at that time. Trust me, all of the hints and verbal cues you threw at her, she picked up on just fine. She was simply unable to let you know in an appropriate way that she wasn't interested in, and definitely not attracted to you.
 

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Vulpine said:
B... E... Aggressive!
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LOL that is what I was thinking...
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Men who are successful with women NEVER 'express' feelings, they Demonstrate interest.
That is very true, but the exception is within a relationship a little bit of emotion goes a LONG way.
 

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Men who are successful with women NEVER 'express' feelings, they Demonstrate interest.
::dissenters giggle::


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The guy can't kino in the simplest way and thinks asking permission to do so is a good tactic. I hardly think the discussion needs to center on relationships.
 

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Ebeneezer, put your feelings theory to the test. Approach a series of girls with this line and report back on your success rate;

"I've been feeling really anxious about asking you for your number. Sometimes I feel like a total dork. I really would be excited if you went out with me."

My GF told me about one of her girlfriends commenting adversely about a guy who said to her, whilst walking down a beach, "Do you mind if I put my hand on your breast."
 

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Right now I am seeing a 27 year old Mormon chick who is deep in her faith...she met me at a house party and decided to stay in contact....We met last night in a parking lot as she claimed she "wanted" to see me...

this is the email she sent me AFTER we met, now mind you she has never been with a guy and is very inexperienced...she lives with her parents :p


I had a good time last night. I hope you did also. I haven't felt that good ever in my life. I loved feeling your hands on my body, touching me, feeling me. I don't think i have ever been that w3t before. When you ripped my panties off, I thought I would have **** right there on the spot. Then you put your fingers on my ***and it felt so good, feeling your fingers in me, looking up at you as you f***ed my **** with your fingers. I loved feeling you touch my ***, squeezing them, I thought I would die when you put your mouth on my ****, it felt so good. Everything about that night was a first time for me and I enjoyed it. I can't wait to see you again, to feel you touching me again. I hope you had fun like I did.



This is a result of being agressive...I never asked what she wanted or how she wanted it...I just went ahead and did it...

Remember....be the snake with the apple...don't tempt her..make her eat it :)
 
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